Landis letter re drug use in cycling

[euanli]

Haha, he has claimed Landis has been trying to blackmail him

 

[Ferminal]

Haha, he has claimed Landis has been trying to blackmail him

Of course he would have, Lance is the moron for not paying him out!

 

[euanli]

This is Rasmussen all over again.

Unfortunately the 2nd best race in the world may not have enough stages in order for all the wheels to fall off.

There are more than enough stages of the Giro left, and I think its proven itself to be rightfully the Greatest Show on Earth

 

[scribe]

Haha, he has claimed Landis has been trying to blackmail him

Where you getting this? I actually wouldn't be the least surprised if it is actually TRUE. LA the only one listed with deep enough pockets to settle the issue.

 

[Boeing]

I do. I was just referring to his statement. It just said he was honest didn't say he didn't dope.

I know I was just sayn more people thnk the same as you than not but for some reason GH is more of an untouchable than LA

The only thing Hincape has going for him is his defense is that he has never attacked in a race successfully

 

[Publicus]

In the end... I doubt anything will come of this.

I don't necessarily think Landis is lying... but he's got credibility issues. This reminds me a lot of Jose Conseco writing his books about steroid use in baseball.

In the end, much of what he said turned out to be accurate. But his credibility was so bad that nobody could really enact any kind of investigation based on his statements with no documentation or evidence to back what he said.

Same situation here... a disgruntled athelete who has largely been blackballed by his sport throwing names around with no evidence. Regardless of how accurate the statements are... there's nothing there to actually warrant investigation that wasn't there already.

I think the credibility issue is moot if, and this is a big if, he has habitually kept a training journal/diary since well before becoming a pro with USPS. It would be a contemporaneous record of events that could be entered into evidence (usually it would be rejected as hearsay but this is a clear exception) and corroborate his current testimony. Lance and others would be in hard place to dispute a journal/diary entry written at a time when Floyd's motives were not in question. But that's the big "if". The other is someone else from USPS/Discovery/Astana corroborates his stories.

 

[thehog]

The only thing Hincape has going for him is his defense is that he has never attacked in a race successfully

Very good!

and I agree! best defence yet!

 

[Race Radio]

Lance was just on CNN, he says he has nothing to hide.

riiiiight

 

[Anonymous]

Was MArion Jones a baseball player? Tammy Thomas perhaps....

Marion Jones was an Olympic Sprinter. Track and Field gets more respect and coverage than cycling does.

As for Tammy, her photo was the **** of many jokes on the web but still not many outside the cycling circle know or care who he/she was.

 

[scribe]

Lance was just on CNN, he says he has nothing to hide.

riiiiight

Damnit! I was just trying to find anything on the tube!!

 

[Anonymous]

ARMSTRONG DENIES

well actually.. he doesnt deny doping..

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Fascinating that a lot of LA fans and supporters aren’t coming out saying it isn’t true and the truth will prove Lance clean, as much as they are saying Floyd is a liar with no credibility, and this will blow over and people won’t believe him.

I am skeptical anyone will truly believe the guy even if it is true.

So far, this, and most other places are showing a lot of people believe him.

 

[euanli]

BBC reportor tweeting from the conferance. JB claims they've known this has been coming for ages. Seems weird that they haven't done a preemptive strike.

 

[scribe]

I think the credibility issue is moot if, and this is a big if, he has habitually kept a training journal/diary since well before becoming a pro with USPS. It would be a contemporaneous record of events that could be entered into evidence (usually it would be rejected as hearsay but this is a clear exception) and corroborate his current testimony. Lance and others would be in hard place to dispute a journal/diary entry written at a time when Floyd's motives were not in question. But that's the big "if". The other is someone else from USPS/Discovery/Astana corroborates his stories.

The journal corroborates only (likely) that he was doped.

 

[thehog]

I think the credibility issue is moot if, and this is a big if, he has habitually kept a training journal/diary since well before becoming a pro with USPS. It would be a contemporaneous record of events that could be entered into evidence (usually it would be rejected as hearsay but this is a clear exception) and corroborate his current testimony. Lance and others would be in hard place to dispute a journal/diary entry written at a time when Floyd's motives were not in question. But that's the big "if". The other is someone else from USPS/Discovery/Astana corroborates his stories.

Floyd is not stupid. Whats been released thus far is not everything. There’s a lot more to come along with hard evidence. LA/GH and co. won’t really know how to defend themselves as outright denial will be followed up with a photo. They can only take George Hincapie’s approach: Which is to say that you have been a honest cyclist. That’s about it.

 

[Race Radio]

It's worthless to debate with RR on the finer points of Armstrong. He knows damn well there is nothing to the civil suit testimony. He just doing it to make the thread a little glossier. While, I think RR is generally wanting of a cleaner sport, his hard-on for Armstrong makes it difficult to get into much of what he is pitching.

Really, so Armstrong was telling the truth when he said

"I would never beat my wife, and I never took performance-enhancing drugs,"

Under oath, on the stand?

Instead of the personal attack you might want to actually discuss the topic

 

[hfer07]

Any commentaries from Levi & DZ at all?

 

[goldcycle26]

Lance is such a hipocrite cuz lance supported floyd's claim to innocence in 2006. This is absolute ****. Lance is hiding something. If that doesnt yell anything at you people than ur not seeing everything

 

[scribe]

BBC reportor tweeting from the conferance. JB claims they've known this has been coming for ages. Seems weird that they haven't done a preemptive strike.

If you consider it strategically, Landis is his own worst enemy. He didn't need any help lol. Even if JB and LA are correctly implicated (frankly I think they are), to do nothing in advance only helps with the innocence perception.

 

[Race Radio]

Lance was just on ESPN. He says that Floyd is a liar. No Proof.

Smoke and Mirrors

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Marion Jones was an Olympic Sprinter. Track and Field gets more respect and coverage than cycling does.

As for Tammy, her photo was the **** of many jokes on the web but still not many outside the cycling circle know or care who he/she was.

So - its not about the sport? Its about whether the American public know someone or not.

I guess people in America have never heard of Lance.

 

[euanli]

If you consider it strategically, Landis is his own worst enemy. He didn't need any help lol. Even if JB and LA are correctly implicated (frankly I think they are), to do nothing in advance only helps with the innocence perception.

Actually I agree with you now about that. But are we even sure that the leaked email came from Landis? There was no direct comment until ESPN spoke to him.

 

[Kennf1]

Lance was just on ESPN. He says that Floyd is a liar. No Proof.

Smoke and Mirrors

Pretty much all he can say. And it will be followed up with the coordinated smear campaign, "I actually feel sorry for Floyd ..." etc.

Time for Tyler to man up. Nah, who am I kidding.

 

[Anonymous]

Fascinating that a lot of LA fans and supporters aren’t coming out saying it isn’t true and the truth will prove Lance clean, as much as they are saying Floyd is a liar with no credibility, and this will blow over and people won’t believe him.



So far, this, and most other places are showing a lot of people believe him.

we are only a half a day into this yet man...don't worry, the bull**** hype machine monster is just waking up...give it a few days...JV will get up there to protect his interests and call landis a sad guy, various folks will follow...the strongarm corporation will rev up its gigantic engines (promise magazine covers for a certain sorta article...woods' people did this many times)...by the end of it, Landis is gonna be festering roadkill...and Lance will be doing a new commercial for amgen...cynical? Sure...but maybe real...makes me sick...

 

[scribe]

FL will need some corroborative support. Someone like Hamilton coming forward soon will be very very damaging. His words, by themselves, will be difficult to mete past the initial sensationalism.