Landis letter re drug use in cycling

[theswordsman]

Do you really think he would be such a hero to many if they knew he was a cheat, a fraud? Seriously, if you can't see if for yourself than I can't be bothered.

Or if he was clean and had never won a Tour.

 

[theyoungest]

Blablabla.

Look forward to much more detail as soon as you can demonstrate that you can
be trusted to do the right thing.

Floyd Landis

Despite the fact that this email seems to be written by a 12-year-old with no sense of spelling or geography, I tend to believe most of what's in it. And I'm very much looking forward to the reactions of hypocrites such as Danny Pate, who accuses everyone and their mother of doping as long as they don't speak English, but who now finds all the big names of American cycling in the past decade quite believably accused of doping.

 

[blackcat]

its Grind Hog Day

 

[theswordsman]

i am watching cancer man's twitter, 6 hours with no update so far... might be some sort of record?

It's 3:06 in the morning in California. I like to think his last tweet implying that Spartacus might have cheated with an electric motor will be his last shot of hubris.

 

[ProfTournesol]

i would say you are right acually.......athough those who dont care for cycling would look at his efforts through 'livestrong' as more important

Im a believer in innocent till proven guilty - IF gulty he should rot like the rest of them

you mean livestrong.org I presume, livestrong.com is a for profit site although the distinction would be lost on most punters who search for the site. It's also unclear what happens to the yellow wristband money, there's no evidence that this money goes to charity. If you look on some of the websites that rate charities, they note that Livestrong spends 45% of it's income on promotion and publicity. In David Walsh's latest book he also alleges that Lance personally pockets his appearance money at conferences whereas the experts that speak of course do it for nothing (unless they are being paid by big pharma of course).

 

[Ferminal]

Sweet! And this is just 1 of 3 emails??

So .... we can add to the list:

Garmin:
Allen Lim (formerly) & now current DS Matt White.

Team Skys Micheal Barry

Hein Verbruggen - UCI President until 2005.

USPS 2004 Tour team: Armstrong, Landis,
George Hincapie,
Jose Azevedo,
Manuel Beltran,
Viatcheslav Ekimov,
Benjamin Noval,
Pavel Padrnos,
Jose Luis Rubiera.

Current employees of Team RadioShack.

 

[BroDeal]

Does this fill in a missing piece of the puzzle?

Last year there was a thread where people were trying to link the Cortisone positive in 1999 to a "donation" made in the earlier 2000s - perhaps the "donation" was for a positive in 01/02 and not the TUE backdate.

Anyone got that powerpoint of Ashenden's on that issue?

I think it answers questions raised by his SCA deposition. If I remember right he claimed that he did not know how much money he had given to the UCI nor how many times he had given money. The implication was that he had made more than one payment but did not want to reveal that and did not want to flat out lie about it. He must have paid off the UCI for corticosteroids in 1999 and again in 2001 for EPO.

 

[blackcat]

Despite the fact that this email seems to be written by a 12-year-old with no sense of spelling or geography, I tend to believe most of what's in it. And I'm very much looking forward to the reactions of hypocrites such as Danny Pate, who accuses everyone and their mother of doping as long as they don't speak English, but who now finds all the big names of American cycling in the past decade quite believably accused of doping.

I am convinced Garmin run a plausible deniability program for their A team. How many rode 2 or 3 Grand Tours in 2008 and 2009. That was their A team. Who reached previously unreached heights of results?

Their A team was charging. Transfusions.

 

[Ferminal]

Is the South Australian parliament sitting at the moment?

Perhaps an opponent could use question time to ask "Ranny" about spending millions of state dollars on luring a doper and a fraud to SA.

 

[python]

It's 3:06 in the morning in California. I like to think his last tweet implying that Spartacus might have cheated with an electric motor will be his last shot of hubris.

as i said above, i believe it's not too long to wait when flandis will be testifying for usada against armstrong...that's what the 8 year statute of limitation was about flandis mentioned.

 

[R.0.t.O]

So what's going to be the reaction from Planet Armstrong? Will they just deny this as the ramblings of a bitter and broken man? Perhaps they will have some "evidence" of Landis having tried to extort money from Armstrong on a previous occasion - pay up or I'll tell everyone what we did? There's enough detail in the accusations, enough mud that some of it will certainly stick.

The trouble is that it is the ramblings of a bitter and broken man. Yes the central theme that Lance doped and that there was massive institutionalised doping at USPS is correct, but this all comes from a man with no credibility left at all. There is a slim chance that this interests a proper journalist enough to do some proper digging but otherwise this will be swept away I'm afraid.

 

[theswordsman]

you mean livestrong.org I presume, livestrong.com is a for profit site although the distinction would be lost on most punters who search for the site. It's also unclear what happens to the yellow wristband money, there's no evidence that this money goes to charity. If you look on some of the websites that rate charities, they note that Livestrong spends 45% of it's income on promotion and publicity. In David Walsh's latest book he also alleges that Lance personally pockets his appearance money at conferences whereas the experts that speak of course do it for nothing (unless they are being paid by big pharma of course).

During the 2009 Tour de France, Lance announced that the proceeds of all yellow wrist bands sold during the Tour would go to French cancer charities. It would be interesting to see if that actually happened or if he just took credit for it in advance like so many other things (personal testing program, being the best teammate Contador ever had, etc.)

 

[Preemo]

more information...

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/m..._were_involved_in_blood_doping_during_to.html

 

[issoisso]

So, he names John Lelangue, Andy Rihs and Jim Ochowicz. Has ACF94 commited suicide yet?

I actually feel sorry for the guy. He must be feeling like crap. ACF, I mean.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I think it answers questions raised by his SCA deposition. If I remember right he claimed that he did not know how much money he had given to the UCI nor how many times he had given money. The implication was that he had made more than one payment but did not want to reveal that and did not want to flat out lie about it. He must have paid off the UCI for corticosteroids in 1999 and again in 2001 for EPO.

My thoughts on that were he gave the 'donation' as a gift to the UCI for going along with the backdated TUE -it probably was a little bit later than 99 and it probably was $25,000.

But in Stapeltons deposition he stated that there were one or two payments back over the years, and of course Pat McQuaid then comes along and says it was $100,000 paid cash and it was May 2006 even though that was after the SCA case.

May 2006 was around the time that the Vrijman report was released!

 

[Ferminal]

So this is the proper list of names implicated and currently involved in a team in 2010.

Team RadioShack
Johan Brunyeel (Owner/Manager)
Viatcheslav Ekimov (DS)
Allen Lim (Physiologist/"Trainer")
Lance Armstrong
Levi Leipheimer
Jose Luis Rubiera

Garmin-Transitions
Matthew White (DS)
Dave Zabriske

BMC Racing Team
Andy Rihs (Owner)
Jim Ochowicz (Owner)
John LeLangue (DS)
George Hincapie

Sky Professional Racing Team
Michael Barry

 

[blackcat]

So this is the proper list of names implicated and currently involved in a team in 2010.

Team RadioShack
Johan Brunyeel (Owner/Manager)
Viatcheslav Ekimov (DS)
Allen Lim (Physiologist/"Trainer")
Lance Armstrong
Levi Leipheimer
Jose Luis Rubiera

Garmin-Transitions
Matthew White (DS)
Dave Zabriske

BMC Racing Team
Andy Rihs (Owner)
John Ochowicz (Owner)
John LeLangue (DS)
George Hincapie

Sky Professional Racing Team
Michael Barry

lets see how JV handles this.

Their policy was to rest riders whose numbers needed to be clarified. I would say he redshirt White and DZ starting now, until they can resolve the allegations by FL.

 

[Ferminal]

During the 2009 Tour de France, Lance announced that the proceeds of all yellow wrist bands sold during the Tour would go to French cancer charities. It would be interesting to see if that actually happened or if he just took credit for it in advance like so many other things (personal testing program, being the best teammate Contador ever had, etc.)

What about the Haiti relief?

 

[Dr. Maserati]

During the 2009 Tour de France, Lance announced that the proceeds of all yellow wrist bands sold during the Tour would go to French cancer charities. It would be interesting to see if that actually happened or if he just took credit for it in advance like so many other things (personal testing program, being the best teammate Contador ever had, etc.)

Don't forget that in the Vanity Fair interview he said the Global Cancer Summit would take place in Paris - of course this was before he got the ok to ride the 2009 Tour.

Where was the conference? Dublin, Ireland - it started the day after the Tour of Ireland, which was shortened to 3 days because of the 'economic downturn' - strange that the race is reverting back to a 5 day this year even though Ireland is still in the mire economically.

 

[issoisso]

lets see how JV handles this.

Their policy was to rest riders whose numbers needed to be clarified. I would say he redshirt White and DZ starting now, until they can resolve the allegations by FL.

He won't rest DZ. Not until California is finished, at least

I want to believe JV wants the best for a clean sport, but his oblique non-denial and inconsistent behavior make it damn hard

 

[blackcat]

He won't rest DZ. Not until California is finished, at least

I want to believe JV wants the best for a clean sport, but his oblique non-denial and inconsistent behavior make it damn hard

exactly, simple expedience, instructive to his real policy.

 

[rolfrae]

exactly, simple expedience, instructive to his real policy.

The only ways round it for Dave Z are either to say he went to Garmin because they offered him a chance to race clean without all transfusions etc that went on at Postal, or to deny it all ever happened.

 

[Roland Rat]

The only ways round it for Dave Z are either to say he went to Garmin because they offered him a chance to race clean without all transfusions etc that went on at Postal, or to deny it all ever happened.

So either a) deny it all and live in fear of what else might come out of this; or b) accept it as you say and get a probably-career-ending ban?

Nice position to be in. Good luck with that DZ.

 

[theswordsman]

Don't forget that in the Vanity Fair interview he said the Global Cancer Summit would take place in Paris - of course this was before he got the ok to ride the 2009 Tour.

Where was the conference? Dublin, Ireland - it started the day after the Tour of Ireland, which was shortened to 3 days because of the 'economic downturn' - strange that the race is reverting back to a 5 day this year even though Ireland is still in the mire economically.

When he boycotted the press during the Giro, I shot Cycling Weekly the quote from that article about how transparent he was going to be with the journalists. They retweeted, then used it in their article. That's part of how he lost me as a fan last year - I'd pay attention to what he promised and then saw him not follow through, over and over.

 

[fruit bars with eyes]

if it keep on raining, the levee's gonna break..