Landis letter re drug use in cycling

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issoisso said:
Admitting to lying about the testosterone would cripple his credibility even more than the alternative.

I disagree on that, continuing to lie about that is so patently ridiculous that it hurts his credibility far more than a full confession would. It's possible that Landis make the same IMO erroneous analysis as you do. Alternatively it's possible that admitting to the testosterone charge would open him up to charges of perjury, fraud or similar though, in that case he'd be well advised to keep denying.
 
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Cerberus said:
Alternatively it's possible that admitting to the testosterone charge would open him up to charges of perjury, fraud or similar though, in that case he'd be well advised to keep denying.

Good point. But in that case he could just go "no comment".
 
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Roland Rat said:
Is there any chance, any chance at all, that he was right about being set up with the testosterone positive in 2006? Why admit to all this and still maintain he was not taking testosterone in 2006?

I have always found it a bit too convenient that while the UCI and the ASO are fighting each other, the winner of the Tour tests positive and the following year the UCI forgets to inform the ASO about Rasmussen. Given how corrupt the UCI is, nothing would surprise me.

Or maybe he bought HGH contaminated with testosterone. Or the test actually does have problems.
 

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Jun 19, 2009
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Roland Rat said:
What I'd like to see is that he's taken to jail for multiple counts of fraud, but as the Judge passes sentence and asks Armstrong if he has anything to say, LA turns to camera and says...

"Well, I've still never tested positive"

and they all laugh and then cut to credits.

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Roland Rat said:
Is there any chance, any chance at all, that he was right about being set up with the testosterone positive in 2006? Why admit to all this and still maintain he was not taking testosterone in 2006?
Ben Johnson and his coach claim that he took a lot of stuff in 1988 but not stanozolol which was actually/allegedly found in his urine; especially not in those quantities. Then again US American athletes were found all clean. Go figure.
 
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Maybe the sewer of The Hog's teams will be opened up to public scrutiny finally.

Flandis has nothing to lose. What would suing a sofa surfer do? Make the litigant look like a paranoid fool?
 
May 26, 2009
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I'm a bit lost here.

This is the word of a cheater against HOPE

This will not stick, just like the failed tests, the tue and the phone conversation.

They will do a press conference, deny, sue and go on their merry laughing way. Everyone here who is gloating for the downfall of Bruyneel and Armstrong will be disappointed.

Nothing to see here folks... only one who will benefit (tv/book) or get burned (perjury/lawsuits) is Landis.
 
Mar 17, 2009
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LeMond, Papp, etc. WERE RIGHT.

Congrats to Cyclingnews for scooping the Wall Street Journal, NBC, ABC, etc.

I don't know what to think about this.... Landis owes a bunch of people. I can't believe he had the gall to write a book about how he was framed. The guilt must have been unreal....

I think that a previous poster had it right when he said that landis sleepingon a couch and making $25K a year while having to watch all of the others (i.e. Armstrong) "clean up" must have been frustrating.

This is the Festina Affair on steroids (no pun intended).
 
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well, now we know how they keep their crits down.

two and a half litres of blood, their plasma does not dissipate over the three weeks, and the plasma that does, can be substituted when vampires come with plasma expanders.

If 5 litres is their capacity, and they add 2.5 litres, well. I wonder what formula blood capacity to crit. I dont think it would be pro-rata. IE. from 5 to 7.5 = natural crit of 40, having the effect of a 60 crit.

But transfusions have managed to deliver the effective O2 threshold that Riis, Pantani et al had, with skyrocketed crits not hindered by the arbitrary 50 limit.
 
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Not using testosterone in 06 is the only lie in the whole letter.

Admitting to it would bring him more credibility, but also legal problems. Fund-raising to support a blatant lie is not really a thing to be trifled with.

What would you do if your *** was on the line?
 
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Mr.38% said:
Ben Johnson and his coach claim that he took a lot of stuff in 1988 but not stanozolol which was actually/allegedly found in his urine; especially not in those quantities. Then again US American athletes were found all clean. Go figure.

It was more than just a claim. His urine contained actual stanozolol instead of its metabolites. There were a lot of other funky things that went on during the Johnson affair.
 
May 26, 2009
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Animal said:
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There we go again... why this reaction? We all know Bruyneel and LA are dirty rotten cheats. How is this more damning than the Tue, failed tests, the phone conversation?

How will the vested interests of Nike/livestrong/Us cycling be toppled by the words of a known liar?

Do you think I want LA to go free??? I'm just pointing out the obvious. He will walk away shrugging. The possibility that he will go down is incredibly slim.

I'm not saying lalalala with my fingers in my ears... people who are already cheering for the downfall of LA are just doing that...
 
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fruit bars with eyes said:
well done- it was me- I actually faked it all to make a splash - god knows why that tit Landis is backing me up in interview- :eek:

Thanks smartass...

Please not my edits based on further searching and publications that were posted.

Some people aren't quite as brilliant know it alls as you.
 
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BroDeal said:
It was more than just a claim. His urine contained actual stanozolol instead of its metabolites. There were a lot of other funky things that went on during the Johnson affair.
Well, I wasn't there ;)


Regarding FLs credibility: If I was to protect my little daughter from drug abuse I'd let her talk to an ex-junkie...
 
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2002: I was instructed on how to use Testosterone patches by Johan Bruyneel
during the During the Dauphine Libere in June, after which I flew on a
helicopter with Mr Armstrong from the finish, I believe Grenoble, to San
Mauritz Switzerland at which point I was personally handed a box of 2.5 mg
patches in front of his wife who witnessed the exchange. About a week
later, Dr Ferrari performed an extraction of half a liter of blood to be
transfused back into me during the Tour de France. Mr Armstrong was not
witness to the extraction but he and I had lengthy discussions about it on
our training rides during which time he also explained to me the evolution
of EPO testing and how transfusions were now necessary due to the
inconvenience of the new test. He also divulged to me at that time that in
the first year that the EPO test was used he had been told by Mr Ferrari,
who had access to the new test, that he should not use EPO anymore but he
did not believe Mr Farrari and contin
ued to use it. He later, while winning the Tour de Swiss, the month before
the Tour de France, tested positive for EPO at which point he and Mr
Bruyneel flew to the UCI headquarters and made a financial agreement with
Mr. Vrubrugen to keep the positive test hidden.

2003: After a broken hip in the winter, I flew to Gerona Spain where this
time two units (half a liter each) were extracted three weeks apart. This
took place in the apartment in which Mr. Armstrong lived and in which I was
asked to stay and check the blood temperature every day. It was kept in a
small refrigerator in the closet allong with the blood of Mr Armstrong and
George Hincapie and since Mr. Armstrong was planning on being gone for a few
weeks to train he asked me to stay in his place and make sure the
electricity didn't turn off or something go wrong with the referigerator.
Then during the Tour de France the entire team, on two different occasions
went to the room that we were told and the doctor met us there to do the
transfusions. During that Tour de France I personally witnessed George
Hincapie, Lance Armstrong, Chechu Rubiera, and myself receiving blood
transfusions. Also during that Tour de France the team doctor would give my
room mate, George Hincapie an
d I a small syringe of olive oil in which was disolved andriol, a form of
ingestible testosterone on two out of three nights throughout the duration.

I was asked to ride the Vuelta a Espana that year in support of Roberto
Heras and in August, between the Tour and the Vuelta, was told to take EPO
to raise my hematocrit back up so more blood transfusions could be
performed. I was instructed to go to Lances place by Johan Bruyneel and get
some EPO from him. The first EPO I ever used was then handed to me in the
entry way to his building in full view of his then wife. It was Eprex by
brand and it came in six pre measured syringes. I used it intravenously for
several weeks before the next blood draw and had no problems with the tests
during the Vuelta. Also during this time it was explained to me how to use
Human Growth Hormone by Johan Bruyneel and I bought what I needed from Pepe
the team "trainer" who lived in Valencia along with the team doctor at that
time. While training for that Vuelta I spent a good deal of time training
with Matthew White and Michael Barry and shared the testosterone and EPO
that we had and discu
ssed the use thereof while training.

Again, during the Vuelta we were given Andriol and blood transfusions by the
team doctor and had no problems with any testing.

2004: Again the team performed two seperate blood transfusions on me, but
this time Bruyneel had become more paranoid and we did the draws by flying
to Belgium and meeting at an unknown persons appartment and the blood was
brought by "Duffy" who was at that time Johans assistant of sorts. The
second of which was performed on the team bus on the ride from the finish of
a stage to the hotel during which the driver pretended to have engine
trouble and stopped on a remote mountain road for an hour or so so the
entire team could have half a liter of blood added. This was the only time
that I ever saw the entire team being transfused in plain view of all the
other riders and bus driver. That team included Lance Armstrong, George
Hincapie and I as the only Americans.

2005: I had learned at this point how to do most of the transfusion
technicals and other things on my own so I hired Allen Lim as my assistant
to help with details and logistics. He helped Levi Leipheimer and I prepare
the transfusions for Levi and I and made sure they were kept at the proper
temperature. We both did two seperate transfusions that Tour however my
hematocrit was too low at the start so I did my first one a few days before
the start so as to not start with a deficit.

2006: Well you get the idea....... One thing of great signigicance is that
I sat down with Andy Riis and explained to him what was done in the past and
what was the risk I would be taking and ask for his permission which he
granted in the form of funds to complete the operation described. John
Lelangue was also informed by me and Andy Riis consulted with Jim Ochowitz
before agreeing.

There are many many more details that I have in diaries and am in the
process of writing into an intelligible story but since the position of USA
Cycling is that there have not been enough details shared to justify calling
USADA, I am writing as many as I can reasonably put into an email and share
with you so as to ascertain what is the process which USA Cycling uses to
proceed with such allegations.

Look forward to much more detail as soon as you can demonstrate that you can
be trusted to do the right thing.

Floyd Landis

I go to sleep thinking that he will make some general allegations regarding some people, and that this will be a story that will be torn apart by the media machine behind Armstrong/The Hog/et al. I wake up to a nuclear bomb having gone off.

Bravo Floyd. I always said that I have respect for people when they come clean, and this is the kind of detail that cannot be explained away by saying he is just spilling sour grapes.

Wow. What a day.
 
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To Mr. Landis. What you have done takes a lot of courage. Congratulations. The days ahead will be very difficult for you with JB and LA 'attacking' you every step of the way; hang in there.

You now are the champion of 'hope' and 'truth'. The facts you hold, the witnesses and former teammates and their corroborating stories will prove that. It appears that as most of us knew LA would take care of himself with time.

It is profoundly sad that all of the cancer survivors around the world, who believed in LA we deceived by a liar of herculean proportions. That is the worst crime LA has committed. What a vile human being.

NW
 
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BroDeal said:
I have always found it a bit too convenient that while the UCI and the ASO are fighting each other, the winner of the Tour tests positive and the following year the UCI forgets to inform the ASO about Rasmussen. Given how corrupt the UCI is, nothing would surprise me.

Or maybe he bought HGH contaminated with testosterone. Or the test actually does have problems.

This is a case where Occams racor can be applied. Which of the following makes the least unbased assumptions?

1) Landis doped most of his career including with testosterone (self admitted fact), he gets caught in 1996, he is so invested in the lie that he didn't use testosterone in 1996 that even when confessing (for legal reasons or because of perceived credibility) he cannot give up on that point.

2) Landis doped most of his career including with testosterone , only he doesn't use testosterone in 1996 for no readily apparent reason, but the UCI decided to engineer an honest to god conspiracy to frame him for the drug he's not using at that exact time. Bearing in mind that no athlete has to my knowledge ever been proven to have been framed by the anti-doping authorities.

I'm going to go with 1. Flawed test is slightly more plausible, but only slightly.
 
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saw the item in espn's 'lead' in their crawl on screen

....sooooo what are we all gonna talk about today??? :)

576 posts in 12 hours.
 
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rolfrae said:
Not sure I'm reading it right. In 2002 does he say Armstrong tested positive then bribed the UCI or that Landis tested positive?

Yea, that is what he said.
 
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auscyclefan94 said:
"Is it the end?, my only friend the end"

You should not be so happy with Rihs and Hincapie implicated. If Hamilton talks then BMC is history.
 
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Mr.38% said:
Well, I wasn't there ;)


Regarding FLs credibility: If I was to protect my little daughter from drug abuse I'd let her talk to an ex-addict...

You would, but the majority would want the addict far far far away from their sheltered life. LA is just going to claim Landis is a sad, broke, serial liar. What can Floyd do against this unless he has a truly smoking gun (it must be more proof than what is already known!)? Floyd has no cash, no nike, no livestrong, no spindoctor team.

Landis is going to be tar black within days... I wish him the best.