Landis letter re drug use in cycling

[Moose McKnuckles]

Perhaps, but we've seen this movie before and i think we remember how it ends.

Remind me, how did it end for Marion Jones?

 

[Anonymous]

Read the letter, there is a witness that is not a rider or staff.

It will be very interesting to hear how many times Kristin says "no comment."

 

[Roland Rat]

Read the letter, there is a witness that is not a rider or staff.

You mean the ex-wife who is probably receiving maintenance payments? I'm not putting any money on that one pulling through.

 

[Digger]

Interesting that the BBC report the story that Landis has admitted with direct quotes but no reference to Armstrong. Strange.

I spoke with David Walsh about their lack of reporting of the Lance issue - and the media in general. His response was that I was right and that the 'BBC are the kippers for it."

I woke to find a report saying it might be from Floyd. On the way home from work it was on the Irish sports news radio, so I knew it must be big. Never did I think it would be this big. Massive day and am thrilled. Due to my own life I admire greatly people when they come clean and want a second chance. My issue with Floyd was the lies....but my respect for the guy has soared. I would like a reference to Lemond here though from him, as he also wronged Greg.
The Lance brigade are already out, saying that Floyd lied already so must be lying again. I don't for one second believe it will change Lance competing in the Tour, BUT, it is a serious piece of evidence, in already big book of evidence.

 

[pmsc111]

Any Matt White interviews yet?

 

[barn yard]

ah man twitter is so funny, look up #floyd and # armstrong if you want a laugh

 

[eleven]

Remind me, how did it end for Marion Jones?

Very, very poorly. Of course, Marion Jones didn't have Armstrong's legal team.

 

[Digger]

he didn't come clean - he's still busy claiming the 2006 test was wrong! In other words, he now wants us to believe he was doping for four straight years but that the one test he failed was wrong.

He must be looking for a loophole to avoid perjuring himself or something.

He admits to HGH use in the 2006 tour. He's hard;y claiming to be clean here.

 

[blackcat]

I believed Lim too.

 

[Ferminal]

I believed Lim too.

That Tommy D was going to win the Vuelta on a gluten-free rice cakes diet?

 

[fruit bars with eyes]

"Andy Rihs has issued a statement denying that he or any member of the Phonak team management knew that Floyd Landis doped during his time on the team. Rihs suggested that Landis’ confession was a "last tragic attempt" to gain public recognition." from news page....

of course we could have all written that in advance - pretty much all the nominals will say likewise- the question will be whether any single one of them has the courage to save the sport- as the Band said "save your neck , save your brother- looks like it's one or the other..."

 

[eleven]

He admits to HGH use in the 2006 tour. He's hard;y claiming to be clean here.

Then why would he continue to deny testosterone use?

There's got to be some perjury to avoid here.

 

[Digger]

I believed Lim when i read the 2008 Kimmage article during the Tour. But I sure as f*** did not believe him when I reread the Cycle Sport article from 2006, the excerpt i put on here last week. And people can check my post from last week to see the tone of what I was saying. He followed the typical doping excuses - test, dehydration etc.

 

[Anonymous]

I believed Lim too.

Yup, until he started with the Shack.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

I think the Hog is right. The correct strategy for Floyd is to wait until all these people deny involvement, then hit them with the proof.

 

[Digger]

Why do you now believe Landis over Lim?



Susan or Alpe I am sorry, but I am sick of it

MOD: yes, but you know we have to edit it out anyway....

 

[Kender]

he didn't come clean - he's still busy claiming the 2006 test was wrong! In other words, he now wants us to believe he was doping for four straight years but that the one test he failed was wrong.

He must be looking for a loophole to avoid perjuring himself or something.

actually he's not saying he was clean, he's just saying he didnt use the drug he tested positive for.

 

[RhodriM]

ah man twitter is so funny, look up #floyd and # armstrong if you want a laugh

Mental isn't it.

West coast must be waking up about now? Breakfast at the team hotels will be interesting.

 

[Anonymous]

where do we go from here? Cycling will recover but its going to take a while I think

I think this is the best thing for cycling.. Hopefully this will spell the end of Bruyneel, "postal" "phonak" or their various reincarnations, and they can be kicked out of cycling for once and for all.

It wont solve the problem but it will go a long way in allowing cycling to move forward.

I do wonder if lance will go down the denial route or in a few months or years will go down the "if im going ot be destroyed im going to destroy cycling with me" route.

 

[kurtinsc]

In the end... I doubt anything will come of this.

I don't necessarily think Landis is lying... but he's got credibility issues. This reminds me a lot of Jose Conseco writing his books about steroid use in baseball.

In the end, much of what he said turned out to be accurate. But his credibility was so bad that nobody could really enact any kind of investigation based on his statements with no documentation or evidence to back what he said.

Same situation here... a disgruntled athelete who has largely been blackballed by his sport throwing names around with no evidence. Regardless of how accurate the statements are... there's nothing there to actually warrant investigation that wasn't there already.

 

[Jamsque]

I wonder what Bahati-OUCH is going to have to say about this. I would assume Flandis gave them some kind of warning, so they ought to have prepared a statement.

 

[eleven]

actually he's not saying he was clean, he's just saying he didnt use the drug he tested positive for.

I know! That's just completely freaking absurd. "I was a doper. I doped early, often and in large doses. I used testosterone. But, well.....despite all my doping and testosterone use I was NOT using testosterone the one time I actually failed a drug test for using testosterone".

Seriously, I wish I knew exactly which statement under oath he was trying to avoid perjuring.

 

[Cobblestones]

Catching up with this thread while watching Giro coverage.

Nobody should be surprised by McShait's reaction. Read the email blackcat posted. The UCI is implicated in corruption. The only way they see is complete denial.

I'm still have hope for JV. He did a non-denial denial. Maybe after consulting with savvy PR types he'll be convinced to come clean. He 'only' has to throw Zabriskie under the bus.

Hincapie is a bit of a disappointment, but not unexpected. He and LA were joined at the hip for too long.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

I still believe Lim.

 

[Cerberus]

I think this is the best thing for cycling.. Hopefully this will spell the end of Bruyneel, "postal" "phonak" or their various reincarnations, and they can be kicked out of cycling for once and for all.

It wont solve the problem but it will go a long way in allowing cycling to move forward.

I do wonder if lance will go down the denial route or in a few months or years will go down the "if im going ot be destroyed im going to destroy cycling with me" route.

I think that if something comes of it it will be Festina all over. Public outrage and the declaration of a new era of clean cycling: Then back to Business as usual.