Landis letter re drug use in cycling

[eleven]

Time has proven Conseco to be correct.

yes, but A-Rod is still one of the most respected and highest paid players in the game.

 

[Digger]

For example, he mentioned the team made blood transfusions in front of one another, and made a point regarding only 3 of his teammates being American. I suppose one could say the letter was directed at the head of American cycling. But if he wants people to believe it is widespread, he better get out there and hang them all.

He mentioned Rubiera.

 

[Parrot23]

wada statement

“WADA is aware of the serious allegations made by Mr Landis. We are very interested in learning more about this matter and we will liaise with the United States Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) and any other authorities with appropriate jurisdiction to get to the heart of the issues raised. WADA looks forward to these further investigations and enquiries by those responsible.

“Generally speaking, WADA encourages everyone with knowledge of banned practices in sport, including athletes who were caught cheating and who denied the evidence for years, to be forthcoming in disclosing the information they may have to the proper authorities. This will further contribute to clean sport and strengthen existing anti-doping programs for the good of clean athletes worldwide.”

Compare this with UCI's omerta-speak, and where folks stand is clear as daylight:

"Press release - Declarations made by Floyd Landis: the UCI’s position
Date:
20.05.2010

Description: The International Cycling Union has learned of the declarations made by Mr Floyd Landis and published in the Wall Street Journal.


The UCI regrets that Mr Landis has publicly accused individuals without allowing sufficient time for the relevant US authorities to investigate.


An impartial investigation is a fundamental right, as Mr Landis will understand having contested, for two years, the evidence of his breach of the Anti-Doping Rules in 2006.


The UCI will leave it to the individuals accused by Mr Landis to take the position they see fit with regards to this issue "

 

[thingswelike]

That WADA statement just shows what an utter disgrace that UCI statement was.

 

[Zerak-Tul]

Well, if he wants to take part in cleaning cycling up, he has to put forth a case against the more relevant audience.

Well he did say they stopped the bus to dope the entire USP team (not just americans), but I think the US media sites breaking this story only named the US riders, because that's what their readers would care about.

 

[Digger]

I've never seen a more explosive thread. Everytime I post, there's another ten posts unread.
Michael Barry, the poster boy for clean cycling

Pat McQuaid, could he possible be more complicit? Short of injecting the riders himself...

 

[Cobblestones]

Susan: Does CN have all three emails? And if yes, will you publish them today?

 

[Animal]

I've never seen a more explosive thread. Everytime I post, there's another ten posts unread.
Michael Barry, the poster boy for clean cycling

Pat McQuaid, could he possible be more complicit? Short of injecting the riders himself...

"Patsy" McQuaid you mean.

 

[sublimit]

That WADA statement just shows what an utter disgrace that UCI statement was.

I agree with that, The UCI are a disgrace and need investigating themselves on this i reckon.

 

[blackcat]

Tour like a mobile pharmacy
http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/tour-like-a-mobile-pharmacy-10544

 

[Kender]

*** NEWS FLASH ***

Greg Lemond has been rushed to hospital. Apparently while he was having breakfast he read about the Floyd Landis accusations. He started laughing so hard he split his sides and cracked his head on the floor

 

[yakhillclimb]

Is it too much to ask Floyd for the bag of Lance's blood that he kept in his freezer for situations just like this?

P.S Any pics of him stabbing Lance's **** with a needle would be sweet too.

 

[Race Radio]

Och and Mquaid discussing a new "donation"

 

[rata de sentina]

I know! That's just completely freaking absurd. "I was a doper. I doped early, often and in large doses. I used testosterone. But, well.....despite all my doping and testosterone use I was NOT using testosterone the one time I actually failed a drug test for using testosterone".

Seriously, I wish I knew exactly which statement under oath he was trying to avoid perjuring.

Look, I understand your point and it is pretty confusing but I don´t think it is completely at odds with the facts. Furthermore it explains Landis´s subsequent behaviour.

I wouldn´t argue with the science. The T/E ratio is a bit dodgy IMO but itś only a screening test the endogenous testosterone on the other hand is pretty clear and stands up to scrutiny as a test. So he did dope with it thatś clear enough. Even so he was and is adamant that he didn´t. But he does admit that he was doping with other products. I don´t think that some kind of error on his part or Lim´s is beyond the realms of possibility. It would certainly explain his continuing conviction that he didn´t and the rather extreme lengths he went to in his defence. I´m not saying this is what happened but it is possible, we´re not dealing with rocket scientists here.

 

[xmoonx]

Unless FL has INCONTROVERTIBLE proof NOT much is going to come of this.
LA, Bruyneel, USPostal 2004, UCI, Lelangue, Ochowicz etc. are simply going to deny it. And the reply will be a unanimous one "Landis allegations must be viewed with scepticism after he previously denied doping Landis’ sudden doping admission comes after the rider spent hundreds of thousands of dollars trying to prove his innocence, including the establishment of the Floyd Fairness Fund which encouraged people to donate to help with the estimated $500,000 legal bill."
If they all deny;his word against all these powerhouses will amount to very little.
At the very best he'll get a book deal. At the very worst he'll come across as a lost soul and or off his rocker, which is kinda sad.

 

[scribe]

Well he did say they stopped the bus to dope the entire USP team (not just americans), but I think the US media sites breaking this story only named the US riders, because that's what their readers would care about.

Could be, but I am reading the direct email as posted to this forum. Perhaps Landis lacks the sophistication necessary to actually help clean up cycling, but bits and pieces implicating his American buddies is something that colors this process.

 

[red_flanders]

All this explains in a lot more resolution why Armstrong was so ****ed at Landis for leaving the team.

Basically, they trained him how to win. How to dope at the highest level. He then took this info and planned to use it against them. In the world of legal methods and training, they'd have had a no-compete clause. In the world of cheating and potentially criminal activity, it's a skinny-man-in-tights turf war.

 

[buckwheat]

Race Radio will be holding fanboy counseling sessions. Pm him for details.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Race Radio will be holding fanboy counseling sessions. Pm him for details.

I hear the sessions are rapidly being filled up with BPC and Polish's sock puppets.

 

[buckwheat]

Unless FL has INCONTROVERTIBLE proof NOT much is going to come of this.
LA, Bruyneel, USPostal 2004, UCI, Lelangue, Ochowicz etc. are simply going to deny it. And the reply will be a unanimous one "Landis allegations must be viewed with scepticism after he previously denied doping Landis’ sudden doping admission comes after the rider spent hundreds of thousands of dollars trying to prove his innocence, including the establishment of the Floyd Fairness Fund which encouraged people to donate to help with the estimated $500,000 legal bill."
If they all deny;his word against all these powerhouses will amount to very little.
At the very best he'll get a book deal. At the very worst he'll come across as a lost soul and or off his rocker, which is kinda sad.

I just moved up 723 places in the world rankings.

 

[Ferminal]

All this explains in a lot more resolution why Armstrong was so ****ed at Landis for leaving the team.

Basically, they trained him how to win. How to dope at the highest level. He then took this info and planned to use it against them. In the world of legal methods and training, they'd have had a no-compete clause. In the world of cheating and potentially criminal activity, it's a skinny-man-in-tights turf war.

Didn't they flush his blood - and that's why he left?

(Sorry I haven't read the book)

 

[rolfrae]

All this explains in a lot more resolution why Armstrong was so ****ed at Landis for leaving the team.

Basically, they trained him how to win. How to dope at the highest level. He then took this info and planned to use it against them. In the world of legal methods and training, they'd have had a no-compete clause. In the world of cheating and potentially criminal activity, it's a skinny-man-in-tights turf war.

And Tyler Hamilton and Heras both had the same tutelage and then dared to leave the team, and look what happened to them.

 

[blackcat]

oh man, this is better than sex

 

[buckwheat]

Just checked Roadbikereview.com.

Coolhand has sent 12 posters to Guantanamo. Ssshhhh....

 

[Kender]

blackcat... where did you get the email from?

if it was you that posted it first