Landis letter re drug use in cycling

[Kennf1]

I want to see Leclerc, Pound, and Gripper comment on this--and call for McQuaid's head.

 

[scribe]

The testing is only part of the problem/solution.

If you can pay off a positive test - which Landis claims, or you get early notice of a test, allowed to take long showers or send the testers for coffee - then what chance is there of catching someone?

Corruption issues will never go away. Doping issues will definitely get worse with developments in genetic manipulation specifically. It is all a major problem to be sure. How much are we willing to put up with as enthusiasts?

 

[Dr. Maserati]

The problem is being addressed with the biopassport. I'm saying we should have a more mature response to doping in previous eras. Do you think the cops should arrest Eddie Mercx?

Did Floyd name him too?

What part of the WADA code that allows prosecutions up to 8 years ago do you fail to grasp?

 

[Francois the Postman]

Pat "there is no such thing as a doping problem in our sport" McQuaid is giving me flashbacks.

Glad he is doing it actually. If he would take WADA' stance we might stay stuck with this lot. Credability is key, and there is a point when it is time to look over your shoulder and go... ok, maybe the writing is on the wall.

Hope he hangs himself with this. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.

 

[kurtinsc]

And Zabel and Ulrich were not central to T-Mobile?

Yes they were... but aren't Lance and Bruyneel both part owners of the team?

I just don't see it as a similar situation. I think the team (maybe not the sponsor, but the team) would never go after their golden goose.

 

[TRDean]

Pro cycling has as much credibility as Pro rassling or body building.

You see the screwballs at a WWE event or in the audience at a bodybuilding competition? They are the equivalent of the pharmstrong fanboys and the believers of the authenticity of cycling as a sport.

Pro cycling is 100% bs obviously. It was cleaning up and then the cancer returned with a vengeance.

I go to the dog track or watch the ponies if I want to see comparatively clean sport.

Hell, pro rassling is probably cleaner than cycling. At least it's more honest.

Not sure the ponies are clean....

 

[buckwheat]

All for lying/perjury/false statements (for the atheletes at least).

I'm actually struggling looking for an athelete in the US who has served time for using a PED. I'm sure it must have happened, but the guys who have gotten the most press as "dopers" in various sports here don't seem to have faced any criminal charges for it that I can find.

wasssup ostrich!

You never heard of Barry Bonds and all the others from Balco?

Bonds' trainer spent months in jail for contempt of court. Marion Jones?

Marion Jones went to jail for PED use. That was part of the plea agreement. You're an extraordinary compartmentalizer. Congrats!

Are you getting a paycheck somewhere along the line from this?

 

[blackcat]

I want to see why Cancellara came back from California in early 2009, after the prologue which he had won. Supposedly he was sick. I thought it was to make a test go away. Thread I started on thise was closed quick smart by Susan.

 

[buckwheat]

Not sure the ponies are clean....

You see I qualified that statement. I think that la is on more $hit than Big Brown ever was.

 

[kurtinsc]

What about Riis, Zabel, Bölts, Henn, Aldag, Dietz,...? They already retired or left the team.

What about them?

Look, I don't disagree that doping is rampant in cycling. But I don't see the RS team going after Lance for any reason, so any action on this has to come from either the appropriate doping agency, the UCI or legal authorities.

So far the UCI has said they aren't doing anything, and I don't see much in what has been released so far that would indicate Lance is in much trouble from US legal or doping officials.

If Landis has something concrete... then perhaps then.

 

[Anonymous]

nbc have a poll

 

[Dr. Maserati]

The team was the one doing all the suspending in that case... trying to change their image to keep their sponsor.

I don't think the Radioshack team will do that... Lance is too central to the team.


Were their any legal cases resulting from that... or suspensions from doping agencies or the UCI? The only one I remember was Sinkewitz... but he had a failed test.

Completely wrong - you are thinking Ullrich 2006, I said Jef d'Hont 2007.

Jef released a book - in it he said the team doped, everyone denied it and the Doctors threatened to sue.

But then Bert Dietz came out and said d'Hont was correct - after that it was a rush to the microphones so everyone could get their story out, Aldag, Zabel...... all the way up to Riis's admission.

 

[Franklin]

wasssup ostrich!

You never heard of Barry Bonds and all the others from Balco?

Bonds' trainer spent months in jail for contempt of court. Marion Jones?

Are you getting a paycheck somewhere along the line from this?

Errr... he states that these people went to jail, but not for PED use. He's correct, so why do you do such an idiotic attack on him.

I'm a bit fed up with the slash and burn tactics if someone fears it doesn't stick.

Because sorry, I still think this will blow over. Maybe he will retire. Case closed. Let's hope I'm wrong

 

[blackcat]

You see I qualified that statement. I think that la is on more $hit than Big Brown ever was.

funnily enough, when he returned in 1998 to the Vuelta, he was bragging that he had an equine steroid that would not show up in the mass spec. and no one else had this horse steroid, a little like Eddie Murphy and his icecream.

 

[eleven]

wasssup ostrich!

You never heard of Barry Bonds and all the others from Balco?

Bonds' trainer spent months in jail for contempt of court. Marion Jones?

Marion Jones went to jail for PED use. That was part of the plea agreement. You're an extraordinary compartmentalizer. Congrats!

Are you getting a paycheck somewhere along the line from this?

Marion Jones did not go to jail for PED use.

 

[Race Radio]

Yes, I know those names. Now remind me which athletes went to the clink for using PED's.

Which side of the prison fence is Barry living on?

There are many ways to skin the cat.

Beyond lying under oath during the SCA case you have the Foreign corrupt Practices act. It is against the law to bride a foreign official like the Verbuggen.

you can try to split hairs as much as you like but Armstrong is in trouble and Bonds legal status has nothing to do with it

 

[kurtinsc]

wasssup ostrich!

You never heard of Barry Bonds and all the others from Balco?

Bonds' trainer spent months in jail for contempt of court. Marion Jones?

Are you getting a paycheck somewhere along the line from this?

THEY WERE CHARGED WITH LYING/PERJURY.... NOT PED USE.

We have several admitted PED users... who came out and publicly stated they used illegal PED's (and recently). But they haven't seemed to face any criminal charges for doing so.

 

[hfer07]

has ASO/Prudhomme done any official statement yet on this mess? based on what FLandis just spilled, I'm inclined to believe the French Authorities are interested in knowing more details, since the events represent a criminal offense under their laws....

 

[kurtinsc]

Completely wrong - you are thinking Ullrich 2006, I said Jef d'Hont 2007.

Jef released a book - in it he said the team doped, everyone denied it and the Doctors threatened to sue.

But then Bert Dietz came out and said d'Hont was correct - after that it was a rush to the microphones so everyone could get their story out, Aldag, Zabel...... all the way up to Riis's admission.

So who was suspended/charged with a crime/jailed because of that... and who suspended them?

 

[Kennf1]

nbc have a poll

And amazingly, the majority (barely) say "yes." Imagine if that poll had been taken in 2003.

 

[goldcycle26]

Evidence from the man himself, part of the interview with Bonnie Ford.

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/player?rd=1#/podcenter/?id=5204229&autoplay=1&callsign=ESPNRADIO

We also have videos on Sport Center between one of the newscasters and Bonnie Ford and her take on the situation

 

[Oncearunner8]

From what I've read... Landis has stated he's got no documentation or evidence.

So what you have is someone making accusations... someone who already has very damaged credibility (due to his previous statements about being clean.)


The point with Canseco is that there was no investigation started due to his claims. Did they prove to be correct? Largely they did. Do I think Landis is lying? No I don't... I think virtually everyone who has finished in the top 10 of a grand tour the last 20 years was doped up to the gills... I think they're all guilty.

But I simply don't think anything at all will come of it. No suspensions, no missed race days, nobody will be fired. Perhaps Landis gets hit with a perjury charge... but that's it.



Roger Clemmons was implicated with a used syringe with his blood on it containing HGH... and nothing came of it. In this case there isn't any physical evidence. I can't see anyone going down because of it. It may affect public opinion... but that's it.

good luck with those p. o. v.

I would not be surprised if the fed's were gathering search warrants for some folks houses here in the US. And a team facilities and buses.

Just my thoughts.

 

[eleven]

There are many ways to skin the cat.

Beyond lying under oath during the SCA case

The SCA affair was a civil case. Which Armstrong testimony do you believe would constitute perjury in that situation?

you have the Foreign corrupt Practices act. It is against the law to bride a foreign official like the Verbuggen.

if Landis has any evidence of such, he can present it.

you can try to split hairs as much as you like but Armstrong is in trouble and Bonds legal status has nothing to do with it

I'm not the one who tried to tie this to the previous Balco investigation. You decided to attempt to skin the cat in that manner.

 

[Ferminal]

nbc have a poll

Wow.. the comments!

Some guy suggesting that chemo permanently suppresses the body's ability to produce lactic acid?

 

[flicker]

does anyone besides the fans of Lemond and armstrong bruyneel radioshack haters and haters of american cycling still believe that floyd is credible. How many times has floyd been proven to have lied in court?