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Le breton said:
If you really want to dig in the case you could look here
http://trustbut.blogspot.com/2001/01/tbv-reference-page.html

Wow thanks thats a lot of info. I just watched stage 17 that Floyd did, first time I have seen it since I saw it on Versus. I have never seen more efficient riding. Beautiful to see as a cyclist.

I am just curious as to why the leaders team did not chase. Not even an attempt. Were they to tired or was there a payoff by Floyds sponsers?

How can the contending teams lie down like dogs like that. I am sure Floyd was not the only one doping and Floyd knows who was, so why was he stripped of his tittle? I don't get that.
 

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Mellow Velo said:
Uuummm....cos he failed a dope test during the race?
I see that blog called it a day after CAS.

Oh come on. Was Floyd more juiced then t mobile or rasmusson. Or select Phonak teamates?
 
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Oh come on. Was Floyd more juiced then t mobile or rasmusson. Or select Phonak teamates?

We know that T-Mob and Kloden travelled to Germany to get blood refills earlier in the Tour. Pereiro tested positive for Salbutamol but the UCI allowed him to produce a TUE after the Tour. Sinkewitz, who FLandis passed on the road on stage 17, tested positive for testosterone the following year. Goold, old Sastre defended Dr. Fuentes after his doping network was exposed...
 
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Oh come on. Was Floyd more juiced then t mobile or rasmusson. Or select Phonak teamates?

His test was more positive. We can speculate about other riders using doping as well, but unless you think speculation should be basis for a suspension I don't see the comparison.
 

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His test was more positive. We can speculate about other riders using doping as well, but unless you think speculation should be basis for a suspension I don't see the comparison

Yeah I speculate that flatland riders can ride tempo all day in the 3rd week of the alps. I also speculate that Valverde is clean.
 
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Yeah I speculate that flatland riders can ride tempo all day in the 3rd week of the alps. I also speculate that Valverde is clean.

And you also speculate that a career domestique can suddenly ride the entire TDF peloton off his wheel by himself over 3 mountains and that's all good in your book yet shocking that he tested positive. LOL.
 

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Hey BC it was all entertaining to me . Best ride I have ever seen by Floyd. If I were him I would have gracefully accepted the suspension proclaimed innocence taken the money and run far far away from cycling. Learned a trade, gone to college, taken up farming whatever.

Like I said the educated older folks like myself have said he won the Tour, ,everyone was doped. The wole field were cooking. You can get the 12 hour DVD from netflix. Greg needn't just go after Floyd.

I will be in Sonoma county this weekend and show you in Pro-Cycling all the riders who were in that race who are suspended or have been suspended. Look at Gerlsteiner Team for instance.
 
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Oh come on. Was Floyd more juiced then t mobile or rasmusson. Or select Phonak teamates?

If he'd feined a bit of fatigue, at the end of stage 17, instead of jumping around, like he'd just stuck his finger into a socket, I might have said no.

That's the trouble with dope tests. We can't pick who passes and who fails.
It's just roulette, with the UCI as the house. You either trust the house completely, or you don't.
All too easy to blame the croupier, which would be the labs.
 
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As always, all this talk of doping, conspiracy theories, spooks and makes for some entertainment, but doesn't mean a whole lot. The Tour Landis won was great entertainment ..... and I don't forget for a minute that's all pro cycling(as all pro sports) is. The minute you add sponsors, it becomes entertainment.

Every pro cyclist believes they need "something extra" to perform for the dog-and-pony-show. . . if they didn't ..... they'd be a monk living on a mountain in peace. There's not many of those.

Insanity policing insanity ...... that's what anti-doping is. Good luck with that. It's not just cycling .... so don't get too defensive ..... it's just the way our insane world is. I don't suspect it will change anytime soon, as we've had thousands of years to change and look where we are today.
 
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If he'd feined a bit of fatigue, at the end of stage 17, instead of jumping around, like he'd just stuck his finger into a socket, I might have said no.

That is completely bogus. He just won his first stage and put himself back in the race after feeling humiliated the day before. Anyone would be excited in that situation.
 
I'm not going to argue who was the most juiced rider of 2006. We only have facts that are the tip of the iceberg.
Just so long as nobody is going to suggest Floyd rode stage 17 clean.

Simply put, his number came up. Unlucky, but that's true of most.

I'm no expert on his stats, but I am mindful of the fact it was the exact same course as 2000, when Armstrong made that phone call to Ferrari about Pantani.
Even to the fact that they both attacked at the foot of the Saisse.
 
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I'm no expert on his stats, but I am mindful of the fact it was the exact same course as 2000, when Armstrong made that phone call to Ferrari about Pantani.
Even to the fact that they both attacked at the foot of the Saisse.

Sorry, could someone give more details on this?
 

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I'm not going to argue who was the most juiced rider of 2006. We only have facts that are the tip of the iceberg.
Just so long as nobody is going to suggest Floyd rode stage 17 clean.

Simply put, his number came up. Unlucky, but that's true of most.

I'm no expert on his stats, but I am mindful of the fact it was the exact same course as 2000, when Armstrong made that phone call to Ferrari about Pantani.
Even to the fact that they both attacked at the foot of the Saisse.

I never could figure out getting busted for testorsterone.

They test for it in all the blood testing they do right?

Then suddenly something about having testostorone.

It's not the kind of drug you take for a one or 2 day kick.

Anybody now more about it?
 
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I never could figure out getting busted for testorsterone.

They test for it in all the blood testing they do right?

Then suddenly something about having testostorone.

It's not the kind of drug you take for a one or 2 day kick.

Anybody now more about it?

yeah, I have heeps of it. It makes me grow up big and strong into a big man so I can do battle with all the haters. I stick then patches on my ball so it gets in quicker..............
 
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yeah, I have heeps of it. It makes me grow up big and strong into a big man so I can do battle with all the haters. I stick then patches on my ball so it gets in quicker..............

No need to wax after, too.....

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Sorry, could someone give more details on this?
LA got JB to phone MF, to see if MP would keep going, or blow up. MF, knew what MP's limits were.
He answered no, so USPS rode tempo and waited for MP to run out of juice.

On the Joux Plane, LA also ran out of juice. Only one of two occasions that Ullrich was able to ride away from Lance.

So, well done MP for upsetting the usual script.
 

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Le breton said:
At least now you have learned that such an argument is a load of crap.
A similarly inane argument, equating altitude tents with EPO injections, has been used in particular by a number of unavowed dopers or their cronies in attempts to smear racers who were seeking to raise their Hct without resorting to EPO injections. Two smart TdF winners(totalling 12 victories between them) have used that inane line of attack, with 100% certified bad faith, against the likes of Bassons and other defenders of a clean cycling world. Of course they knew perfectly well that such an argument would work among gullible and ignorant cycling fans.

I am sad to say that one of those two famous cyclists is a Breton like myself.

As for Floyd Landis , it is hard to think of another cyclist having done as much damage to pro cycling as he.

Alexander Vinokourov, Danilo Di Luca, Michael Rasmussen
 
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Alexander Vinokourov, Danilo Di Luca, Michael Rasmussen

who did the most damage? interesting question, interesting answers. I'd say the festina team. After them, All athletes caught damage a market more than others. I think Tyler and Floyd combined really hurt a growing market of cyclists and fans. The others...just another positive test.
 
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We Human Beings are so short sighted.

Pro Cycling was damaged by none other than Pro Cycling . Placing the blame on individuals is silly.

Taken a step further .... the transgressions of Pro Cycling are no different than the rest of Humanity.

If you want to blame someone/something ..... blame it on God, the Universe or whatever other force one believes is responsible for all of creation.
 
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We Human Beings are so short sighted.

Pro Cycling was damaged by none other than Pro Cycling . Placing the blame on individuals is silly.

Taken a step further .... the transgressions of Pro Cycling are no different than the rest of Humanity.

If you want to blame someone/something ..... blame it on God, the Universe or whatever other force one believes is responsible for all of creation.

Take the high road and blame someone/something else. How convenient when one lacks a mirror.
 

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