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Colm.Murphy said:
And yet, curiously, not one of them has served Mr. Landis with papers after he globally and provocatively accused them of taking bribes, cheating and then begging them to sue...

So telling... so telling.

What would they sue for? Landis has nothing - it would only cost them legal fees. Cease and desist letters are already being served. Not sure this is telling or curious - speculation for some maybe. It is going to be an interesting year to see what comes from all this.
 
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Thank you Hein for pouring gasoline on the fire. I cant wait for this to unfold. Also good to hear Floyd is getting the best legal advice (no) money can buy :p

Lance, the roof is on fire....We don't need no water let the *** edited by mod ***
 
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The Hog better get his act together and start looking for that old Chewbacca costume stocked away in the ol' USPS/RS service course.
He is going to need it in court.
 
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Race Radio said:
Thats what Marion Jones said. The smart money is on Novitzky.

Really? Can you share with us Novitsky's record on prosecuting these cases? One Marion Jones doesn't make up for the myriad people connected to Bonds, Clemens and a a host of others who are currently walking free with money-lined pockets.

If anything, the smart money here would be on Novtisky failing.
 
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eleven said:
Really? Can you share with us Novitsky's record on prosecuting these cases? One Marion Jones doesn't make up for the myriad people connected to Bonds, Clemens and a a host of others who are currently walking free with money-lined pockets.

If anything, the smart money here would be on Novtisky failing.

Novitsky's record is impressive

Kirk Radomski
Trevor Graham
Marion Jones
Victor Conte
Kelli White
Remi Korchemny
Tim Montgomery
Patrick Arnold
James Valente
Tammy Thomas
Greg Anderson

Plus a long list of athletes that were sanctioned because of Novitsky's work on BALCO.

That is why the smart money is on Novitsky.
 
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StrongArm could hedge himself with SCA.

If he loses to the Feds and goes to da Big House and a cell with Bubba, SCA pays his legal fees and a success fee. :D
 
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blackcat said:
StrongArm could hedge himself with SCA.

If he loses to the Feds and goes to da Big House and a cell with Bubba, SCA pays his legal fees and a success fee. :D

So you`re saying this case could become a real pain in the a$$?
 
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goober said:
Hahahahah. You have been the victim of media spin. Why would Kristin answer that question in a case about Greg Lemond's contractual agreement with Trek? You are a puppet.

It appears you did not follow the Trek-Lemond case, or are a victim of media spin.

After Greg expressed disappointment in Lance's use of a doping doctor, Ferrari, Trek set out to sink Greg and his brand to keep their cash machine happy. The judge in the case told Trek that Lance's doping was a key part of the case because why would Greg's comments be damaging if Lance were indeed doping? Evidence that Lance was a doper was a key reason that Trek settled.

According to multiple people Kristen was a direct witness of Lance's doping. She has also made comments that attempted rationalize doping, telling a teammates wife that EPO was a "Necessary Evil" of the sport.
 
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Race Radio said:
Novitsky's record is impressive

Kirk Radomski
Trevor Graham
Marion Jones
Victor Conte
Kelli White
Remi Korchemny
Tim Montgomery
Patrick Arnold
James Valente
Tammy Thomas
Greg Anderson

Plus a long list of athletes that were sanctioned because of Novitsky's work on BALCO.

That is why the smart money is on Novitsky.

So, we have one big name athlete in trouble + Victor Conte and some of his associates.

A batboy on probation while those who took his bats walk free.
A track coach that got one year of probation while his track clients walk free.
A guy who went to jail for refusing to testify, then was released...While his client walked free.
A guy in jail for heroin and money laundering.

You notice who is NOT on that list? Roger Clemens. Andy Pettitte. Mark McGwire. Rafiel Palmiero. Alex Rodriguez.

If your point is that a couple low-level folks handling bikes might be in trouble, well then more power to ya.
 
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eleven said:
So, we have one big name athlete in trouble + Victor Conte and some of his associates.

A batboy on probation while those who took his bats walk free.
A track coach that got one year of probation while his track clients walk free.
A guy who went to jail for refusing to testify, then was released...While his client walked free.
A guy in jail for heroin and money laundering.

You notice who is NOT on that list? Roger Clemens. Andy Pettitte. Mark McGwire. Rafiel Palmiero. Alex Rodriguez.

If your point is that a couple low-level folks handling bikes might be in trouble, well then more power to ya.

Once again you appear to be confused I only listed the people who went to jail or accepted plea deals. You ignore all the athletes who were sanctioned due to BALCO. The track coach you refer to had 9 athletes sanctioned. You also forget Dana Stubblefield, NFL defensive MVP, who plea bargained down to probation.

Stop with the strawman. There is a reason why Mark McGwire, Rafiel Palmiero, and Alex Rodriguez are not on that list, they were never investigated by Novitsky. You also forget that in this case the "Dealers" were often Armstrong and Bruyneel, not some clubhouse boy.
 
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Race Radio said:
Once again you appear to be confused I only listed the people who went to jail or accepted plea deals.

Right, you listed a bunch of batboys, soigneurs and other assorted lower-level employees who went to jail while their bosses walk with pockets lined with cash.

You ignore all the athletes who were sanctioned due to BALCO. The track coach you refer to had 9 athletes sanctioned. You also forget Dana Stubblefield, NFL defensive MVP, who plea bargained down to probation.

Again, you have nine track athletes from a single case....and you somehow extract from that (nevermind all of Novitsky's other cases) that the smart money is on Novitsky.

Stop with the strawman. There is a reason why Mark McGwire, Rafiel Palmiero, and Alex Rodriguez are not on that list, they were never investigated by Novitsky.

Huh? You don't think Pettitte and McGwire was investigated by Novitsky?

You also forget that in this case the "Dealers" were often Armstrong and Bruyneel, not some clubhouse boy.
No, what I "forget" is that you conveniently make up stories to fit your agenda. Where is your ounce of evidence that Bruyneel and Armstrong were "dealers"?
 
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eleven said:
Fanboy logic

The fanboys have found their new target, Jeff Novitsky. The same people who told us that Le Monde was a tabloid and Walsh was a hack will try to diminish any signs of success and toss up strawman to deflect from reality.
 
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eleven said:
No, what I "forget" is that you conveniently make up stories to fit your agenda. Where is your ounce of evidence that Bruyneel and Armstrong were "dealers"?

You must not have read the part of the the Landis email where he says Armstrong gave him testosterone, that transfusions were not only done in Armstrong's apartment but also stored there, how Bruyneel organized and facilitated the transfusions, or how the team owned by Lance and Johann funded the purchase of drugs and employed the doctors who administered them.
 
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Race Radio said:
You must not have read the part of the the Landis email where he says Armstrong gave him testosterone, that transfusions were not only done in Armstrong's apartment but also stored there, how Bruyneel organized and facilitated the transfusions, or how the team owned by Lance and Johann funded the purchase of drugs and employed the doctors who administered them.

+ 1billion

Regrettably, though, it's no use - you just can't convince a fanboy to be anything other than highly selective.
 

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eleven said:
Right, you listed a bunch of batboys, soigneurs and other assorted lower-level employees who went to jail while their bosses walk with pockets lined with cash.



Again, you have nine track athletes from a single case....and you somehow extract from that (nevermind all of Novitsky's other cases) that the smart money is on Novitsky.



Huh? You don't think Pettitte and McGwire was investigated by Novitsky?


No, what I "forget" is that you conveniently make up stories to fit your agenda. Where is your ounce of evidence that Bruyneel and Armstrong were "dealers"?

Not being all that familiar with the BALCO case, I did a check on Pettitte & McGwire, neither were part of the BALCO investigation, or indeed a Federal investigation.

Pettitte at best sounds like a 'Michael Barry' or 'Zabriskie' type figure.

Lance & Johan however are ringleaders - in the emails Floyd states twice LA gave him PED's and of course all transactions go through the DS.
 
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Race Radio said:
You must not have read the part of the the Landis email where he says Armstrong gave him testosterone, that transfusions were not only done in Armstrong's apartment but also stored there, how Bruyneel organized and facilitated the transfusions, or how the team owned by Lance and Johann funded the purchase of drugs and employed the doctors who administered them.

Yeah, this is the part that has always seemed to be overlooked, but important. Floyd's emails make it sound like LA was a distributor. If true, that crime would be more serious than just doping yourself to win a race.
 
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laziali said:
+ 1billion

Regrettably, though, it's no use - you just can't convince a fanboy to be anything other than highly selective.

+1

even ex-fan boys like me can read the Landis emails that make it clear that he claims LA/JB set him up for the first time on a number of different PED's
 
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Not sure whether they can use RICO. That would seem to be pretty radical, a real stretch.

Would allow blanket criminal prosecution of members of U.S. Postal or Discovery cycling teams, by virtue of the fact folks just belonged to the teams (as in RICO being applied to organized criminals who can be prosecuted now for membership of an organized crime group, without evidence of their own crimes; it's simply by association, as far as I know, which ain't much here).

The case would have to be made it was an organized criminal racket/business with the aim of enriching team members via prizes and sponsorship, defrauding the latter systematically via organized doping from the top down. ;) Anyone hear of Tailwind, etc? LOL. Not a lot of athletes incorporate themselves as a biz--yes, a biz this is.

Any way, RICO helped break the mafia in NY, etc. Anyone heard of omerta, hereabouts? LOL

Stapleton and folks are busy learning how to spell P-E-R-J-U-R-Y right now, methinks. That's with a P, as in PEDs, and jury, as in trial.
 
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VeloCity said:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100608/ap_on_sp_ot/cyc_uci_landis

"Former UCI president Hein Verbruggen told The Associated Press on Tuesday that a letter was sent [by the UCI] to Landis two or three weeks before his allegations became public."

And they still did not sue him...? Ergo, Landis did not lie?

Big (empty) threats followed by purported taunting. Seems the bullies are not backing their bark with any bite.

@eleven. I think you are missing the overall here, comparing things to BALCO or baseball is not congruent. Parrot is approaching it: RICO.

All the elements are there. Get the charges in order, convene Grand Jury and watch the meltdown consume the largest sports fraud in modern times.
 
eleven said:
Really? Can you share with us Novitsky's record on prosecuting these cases? One Marion Jones doesn't make up for the myriad people connected to Bonds, Clemens and a a host of others who are currently walking free with money-lined pockets.

If anything, the smart money here would be on Novtisky failing.

finally someone able to see the hate directed at Armstrong and see the truth in how this will all unfold;)
 

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Colm.Murphy said:
And they still did not sue him...?

Big (empty) threats followed by purported taunting. Seems the bullies are not backing their bark with any bite.

Can the UCI at last sue Floyd for getting the year wrong on the TdSwiss coverup?

Colm.Murphy said:
All the elements are there. Get the charges in order, convene Grand Jury and watch the meltdown consume the largest sports fraud in modern times.

So everyone who finishes behind Lance in the 2010 TdF can expect to move up a placing later this year or next....
 
eleven said:
So, we have one big name athlete in trouble + Victor Conte and some of his associates.

A batboy on probation while those who took his bats walk free.
A track coach that got one year of probation while his track clients walk free.
A guy who went to jail for refusing to testify, then was released...While his client walked free.
A guy in jail for heroin and money laundering.

You notice who is NOT on that list? Roger Clemens. Andy Pettitte. Mark McGwire. Rafiel Palmiero. Alex Rodriguez.

If your point is that a couple low-level folks handling bikes might be in trouble, well then more power to ya.

bada bing................;)