Landis threatened?

[Colm.Murphy]

finally someone able to see the hate directed at Armstrong and see the truth in how this will all unfold

Hating lawbreakers at their level? Hating corruption?

I don't see how a Fed agent like Novitsky uses "hate" in his pursuit of criminals?

I fail to see this so called "truth" you mention. Truth in pursuing allegations of alleged criminal acts?

Tell me, if Tailwind used organized PED's to gain advantage in securing USPS money for years, do you not consider that fraud?

 

[VeloCity]

Can the UCI at last sue Floyd for getting the year wrong on the TdSwiss coverup?

He didn't get it wrong, you keep reading it wrong.

 

[Wheels Go Round and Round]

Hating lawbreakers at their level? Hating corruption?

I don't see how a Fed agent like Novitsky uses "hate" in his pursuit of criminals?

I fail to see this so called "truth" you mention. Truth in pursuing allegations of alleged criminal acts?

Tell me, if Tailwind used organized PED's to gain advantage in securing USPS money for years, do you not consider that fraud?

the truth is all of the top riders are dopers.............if you are going to make an example get them all............

I consider all the winners frauds.........does this make you happy?

 

[Race Radio]

Here were go again....

Everyone is doing it so nobody should do anything about it. Makes perfect sense.

 

[Wheels Go Round and Round]

Here were go again....

Everyone is doing it so nobody should do anything about it. Makes perfect sense.

if you spent half of your time on the rest of these dopers as you do Lance I would have nothing to say. Somehow I get the feeling lance drilled your girlfriend and have an axe to grind with him...........

 

[MacRoadie]

You notice who is NOT on that list? Roger Clemens. Andy Pettitte. Mark McGwire. Rafiel Palmiero. Alex Rodriguez.

Andy Pettitte - Not BALCO, connected to Brian McNamee. Not investigated by Novitsky

Roger Clemens - Not BALCO, connected to Brian McNamee. Not investigated by Novitsky

Mark McGwire - Not BALCO, not connected to anyone, Not investigated by Novitsky

Rafael Palmiero - Not BALCO, connected to Kirk Radomski. Not investigated by Novitsky

Alex Rodriguez - Rumored to be on a list of 104 athletes turned up in the BALCO investigation and one of the MLB players who allegedly tested positive in 2003, but publicly stated that he and his cousin bought the PED's in the Dominican

Rodriguez said he and a cousin (whom he refused to name) bought an unidentified drug over-the-counter in the Dominican Republic, where it is “known on the streets as boli or bollee.”[67][76] At Rodriguez's instruction, the cousin transported the drug into the United States

.Not investigated by Novitsky


It would seem that one list that they ARE all on, is a list of athletes NOT investigated by Jeff Novitsky. Nice straw man...

 

[Parrot23]

Tell me, if Tailwind used organized PED's to gain advantage in securing USPS money for years, do you not consider that fraud?

Ahem, ROFLMAO

 

[Wheels Go Round and Round]

Andy Pettitte - Not BALCO, connected to Brian McNamee. Not investigated by Novitsky

Roger Clemens - Not BALCO, connected to Brian McNamee. Not investigated by Novitsky

Mark McGwire - Not BALCO, not connected to anyone, Not investigated by Novitsky

Rafael Palmiero - Not BALCO, connected to Kirk Radomski. Not investigated by Novitsky

Alex Rodriguez - Rumored to be on a list of 104 athletes turned up in the BALCO investigation and one of the MLB players who allegedly tested positive in 2003, but publicly stated that he and his cousin bought the PED's in the Dominican

.Not investigated by Novitsky


It would seem that one list that they ARE all on, is a list of athletes NOT investigated by Jeff Novitsky. Nice straw man...

if this is the case.............then why not?

I think you know why ...................

 

[Polish]

Tell me, if Tailwind used organized PED's to gain advantage in securing USPS money for years, do you not consider that fraud?

Here were go again....

Everyone is doing it so nobody should do anything about it. Makes perfect sense.

No fraud - PEDS have been part of Professional Cycling since the start.
Illegal for sure, but not a fraud lol.
Novitsky is going to get a lesson on REAL doping in sports.
John Q Public too.

 

[MacRoadie]

if this is the case.............then why not?

I think you know why ...................

Because the fed's aren't in the business of doing the job of ADA's? They are, however, interested in fraud, illegal drug distribution, RICO, obstruction of justice, and perjury.

 

[Kennf1]

No fraud - PEDS have been part of Professional Cycling since the start.
Illegal for sure, but not a fraud lol.
Novitsky is going to get a lesson on REAL doping in sports.
John Q Public too.

Sorry, but last time I checked, the phrase "but he's doing it to!" is not a recognized defense to fraud.

 

[La Vie Claire]

What would they sue for? Landis has nothing - it would only cost them legal fees. Cease and desist letters are already being served. Not sure this is telling or curious - speculation for some maybe. It is going to be an interesting year to see what comes from all this.

LA has loads of money. How about spending a little money to clear his name. I'd do it (if I were loaded and FL's accusations were patently false), wouldn't you? Hey, even Clemens sued Mcnamee who has no money.

 

[VeloCity]

No fraud - PEDS have been part of Professional Cycling since the start.
Illegal for sure, but not a fraud lol.
Novitsky is going to get a lesson on REAL doping in sports.
John Q Public too.

PEDs were a part of track and field a long time before BALCO and Marion Jones et al., probably as much if not more so than in cycling, so what exactly is your point?

 

[Publicus]

No fraud - PEDS have been part of Professional Cycling since the start.
Illegal for sure, but not a fraud lol.
Novitsky is going to get a lesson on REAL doping in sports.
John Q Public too.

So are you suggesting that USPS knew about the PED usage? That that knowledge would preclude a fraud claim? That would certainly be a novel argument, though I'm not sure how Tailwind/Armstrong would go about proving that without implicating themselves.

 

[mastersracer]

the fact that PEDs have been around a long time is immaterial to the question of fraud. Besides, fraud didn't actually have to occur - it is the process of discovery during the investigation of whether fraud occurred that matters.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

if you spent half of your time on the rest of these dopers as you do Lance I would have nothing to say. Somehow I get the feeling lance drilled your girlfriend and have an axe to grind with him...........

If you spent some of your time on other threads that don't involve Lance you would be well aware that RR is quite vocal on plenty of other riders and has been consistent in his views on them all.

 

[Wheels Go Round and Round]

If you spent some of your time on other threads that don't involve Lance you would be well aware that RR is quite vocal on plenty of other riders and has been consistent in his views on them all.

actually I have been reading this forum much longer than posting on it......the slant to screw Armstrong is much greater on this site due to the haters........I'm an equal opportunity hater.........they all are dopers at the top of the sport.........get over it

 

[VeloCity]

the slant to screw Armstrong is much greater on this site

So what? Some riders are less popular than others for a variety of reasons. If you don't like it, you are free to stop reading and posting at any time. Or you can just get over it.

 

[scribe]

If you spent some of your time on other threads that don't involve Lance you would be well aware that RR is quite vocal on plenty of other riders and has been consistent in his views on them all.

I've spent plenty time sifting through his dirt trough, and I can say he is exceedingly focused on Armstrong. Someone can wanna hate on LA for what he might have done, but it's hard to do with militant whack jobs sucking all the oxygen out of the room.

 

[thehog]

The amount changes again:

Verbruggen also addressed Armstrong's financial donation to the UCI in 2002, an issue which has raised questions of conflict of interest.

Verbruggen said Armstrong's agent approached the UCI and offered to make a donation for the fight against doping.

"This was discussed by our anti-doping people," Verbruggen said. "They said, 'We can't use this money for doping controls.' Then they said if Lance would agree that we buy a Sysmex for this, then that could be a good idea. I left it there. I have not been busy with it afterwards."

A Sysmex is a machine used for analyzing blood.

Verbruggen said the machine could be priced up to $85,000, but ended up costing between $51,000-$60,000.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5h7Jk4YzjY3Q_DpRRWcoWvoA76_cgD9G76REG0

 

[Race Radio]

actually I have been reading this forum much longer than posting on it......the slant to screw Armstrong is much greater on this site due to the haters........I'm an equal opportunity hater.........they all are dopers at the top of the sport.........get over it

Do they all give payoffs to the UCI? Do they all intimidate anyone that speaks out against doping? Do they all enlist legions of groupies to abuse anyone that questions the myth?

I agree the hate is out of control. All that hate directed toward Walsh, Lemond, Simeoni, Betsy, Frankie, etc. is irrational.

 

[Colm.Murphy]

No fraud - PEDS have been part of Professional Cycling since the start.
Illegal for sure, but not a fraud lol.
Novitsky is going to get a lesson on REAL doping in sports.
John Q Public too.

I think you need to spend some time learning what Fraud is.

As Landis has apparently developed a close relationship with Novitsky, and has likely explained his own PED use in explicit detail, it seems to me that Novitsky is up to date on REAL doping.

As for John Q Public, the information is there, just have to open their eyes. A good start would be to perhaps remove their yellow wristbands.

 

[Race Radio]

I've spent plenty time sifting through his dirt trough, and I can say he is exceedingly focused on Armstrong. Someone can wanna hate on LA for what he might have done, but it's hard to do with militant whack jobs sucking all the oxygen out of the room.

Have you ever posted on a thread that is not related to Wonderboy? Missed you on the daily Giro threads and during the classics.

I agree with you on the wack jobs. Carboncrank, Gree, BPC and his 40 usernames do tend to suck the air out of the forum.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

actually I have been reading this forum much longer than posting on it......the slant to screw Armstrong is much greater on this site due to the haters........I'm an equal opportunity hater.........they all are dopers at the top of the sport.........get over it

A doper is a doper - you do the crime, you do the time....

Now its Armstrongs time, so, as you say "get over it".

I've spent plenty time sifting through his dirt trough, and I can say he is exceedingly focused on Armstrong. Someone can wanna hate on LA for what he might have done, but it's hard to do with militant whack jobs sucking all the oxygen out of the room.

At first I assumed you meant "wheels go round and round" as a lot of their posts are Lance centric.

If you meant RR - then which rider has he defended and said should not serve their time?

 

[Colm.Murphy]

The amount changes again:

Verbruggen also addressed Armstrong's financial donation to the UCI in 2002, an issue which has raised questions of conflict of interest.

Verbruggen said Armstrong's agent approached the UCI and offered to make a donation for the fight against doping.

"This was discussed by our anti-doping people," Verbruggen said. "They said, 'We can't use this money for doping controls.' Then they said if Lance would agree that we buy a Sysmex for this, then that could be a good idea. I left it there. I have not been busy with it afterwards."

A Sysmex is a machine used for analyzing blood.

Verbruggen said the machine could be priced up to $85,000, but ended up costing between $51,000-$60,000.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5h7Jk4YzjY3Q_DpRRWcoWvoA76_cgD9G76REG0

Wow, now with all of these inconsistencies, there has to be some audit done. Nothing is adding up.

He sounds pathetic in his protestations.