Landis threatened?

[Wheels Go Round and Round]

how many damaging emails and phone calls has Flandis made late at night drunk off his @ss? As his attorney, this must be the proverbial minefield waiting to surface

 

[Cal_Joe]

For the bolded part (not your name), do you mean to state that Floyd could be charged with something here? Not that it is impossible, just wanted to get your clarification.

I have no idea if anyone involved in this could be charged - all I am saying is that based on Flandis' admissions of PED use, a standard thing for a competent lawyer to do would be to prepare for any possible charges.

 

[Colm.Murphy]

I have no idea if anyone involved in this could be charged - all I am saying is that based on Flandis' admissions of PED use, a standard thing for a competent lawyer to do would be to prepare for any possible charges.

I agree with you, being prepared is their job.

@WGR&R, if you were an Attorney, would you rather have to deal with the misdemeanor issue of phone harassment (which you wonder about Landis) or the potentially multiple felonies coming at the Lance crew?

 

[Race Radio]

this simple fact will be lost on the tifosi here that just want Lance to burn....at all costs even though they all are dopers

It is lost on the groupies that for most who question the myth it has little to do with doping.

 

[Wheels Go Round and Round]

It is lost on the groupies that for most who question the myth it has little to do with doping.

what myth?

they all are dopers........hell, even Papp was a big time doper

just because you take tons of dope doesn't turn a plow horse into a Kentucky derby winner

 

[Race Radio]

what myth?

they all are dopers........hell, even Papp was a big time doper

just because you take tons of dope doesn't turn a plow horse into a Kentucky derby winner

The myth that Armstrong is a great guy. I do not hate dopers. I understand the reasons and the pressures.

I do dislike enablers like Bruyneel, Lefevere, Armstrong, Verbuggen, Mcquaid. I am not terribly found of people like Landis, Hamilton, Valverde, and Armstrong who invent ridiculous lies in order to get their groupies to believe myths about them.

 

[Cal_Joe]

I am not terribly found of people ...who invent ridiculous lies in order to get their groupies to believe myths about them.

Oh, so I take it you are not a Keith Richards fan?

Sorry. Possibly the wrong forum.

 

[Wheels Go Round and Round]

The myth that Armstrong is a great guy. I do not hate dopers. I understand the reasons and the pressures.

I do dislike enablers like Bruyneel, Lefevere, Armstrong, Verbuggen, Mcquaid. I am not terribly found of people like Landis, Hamilton, Valverde, and Armstrong who invent ridiculous lies in order to get their groupies to believe myths about them.

what sickens me is the dopers that get caught then feel the need to "come clean" what a crock of sh@t

you still would be doping if you didn't get caught.............those are the facts
these guys are worse than the dopers imho

 

[Polish]

I have no idea if anyone involved in this could be charged - all I am saying is that based on Flandis' admissions of PED use, a standard thing for a competent lawyer to do would be to prepare for any possible charges.

What would happen if Lance came out and said he caught FLOYD Blood Doping?

"I had to flush the blood down the toilet".

Is Floyd "off-the-hook" because he snitched first?
Is that how the rules/law works?

 

[BroDeal]

just because you take tons of dope doesn't turn a plow horse into a Kentucky derby winner

I was enough to turn Armstrong into one. From a rider who could not time trial or climb to a rider who time trialed better than Indurain and climbed better than Pantani. That was some powerful dope.

 

[Colm.Murphy]

What would happen if Lance came out and said he caught FLOYD Blood Doping?

"I had to flush the blood down the toilet".

Is Floyd "off-the-hook" because he snitched first?
Is that how the rules/law works?

Look it up, jeez?

/is this how the internet works? I press "Submit Reply"?

Are you sure? LOL

Smuckers Jam! CONTADOR

 

[Wheels Go Round and Round]

I was enough to turn Armstrong into one. From a rider who could not time trial or climb to a rider who time trialed better than Indurain and climbed better than Pantani. That was some powerful dope.

LOL.... ask Papp, he tried everything and ran a 58% hemocrit and still couldn't hang on Armstrongs jock.......

like I said before .............you still have to have some Kentucky Derby in the gene pool..... this is the top of the sport not some Tuesday night crit at the park

 

[Cal_Joe]

What would happen if Lance came out and said he caught FLOYD Blood Doping?

"I had to flush the blood down the toilet".

Is Floyd "off-the-hook" because he snitched first?
Is that how the rules/law works?

Hard to answer that, but it appears to be the classic "he said/she said" scenario, which is the scenario we currently have (I can't seem to get that point across here).

But posting questions re hypotheticals is a waste of time as far as counsel is concerned - counsel would say "bring me testimony, back it up with corroborative untainted evidence, and we work with what we have and what we know (with enough confidence) to ensure that we can present something that will get us to that legal place where we are doing the best for our client."

 

[Colm.Murphy]

I was enough to turn Armstrong into one. From a rider who could not time trial or climb to a rider who time trialed better than Indurain and climbed better than Pantani. That was some powerful dope.

It turned Riis into one, Chiapucci, Rumsas, Camensind, Aitor Gonzales...

The list is L O N G.

I think what must be recognized is that PEDs work better for some than others.

Using Mr. Papp as an example is very poor. I think you've got to at least be good enough stock to make it to the big stage... Mr. Papp was not good enough stock.

 

[Wheels Go Round and Round]

It turned Riis into one, Chiapucci, Rumsas, Camensind, Aitor Gonzales...

The list is L O N G.

I think what must be recognized is that PEDs work better for some than others.

Using Mr. Papp as an example is very poor. I think you've got to at least be good enough stock to make it to the big stage... Mr. Papp was not good enough stock.

Papp is a GREAT example of my point............genes NOT capable of winning on the big stage even doped

 

[Night Rider]

What would happen if Lance came out and said he caught FLOYD Blood Doping?

"I had to flush the blood down the toilet".

Is Floyd "off-the-hook" because he snitched first?
Is that how the rules/law works?

Floyd can’t be sanctioned (sporting sanctions) for anything prior to his positive test at the TdF, so whatever comes out about doping prior to that offence can’t be used for further bans, etc.

He could only be pursued if evidence exists that he has doped since that date.

Effectively his slate (or anyones) is wiped clean of any previous infractions once you get convicted of a positive.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Papp is a GREAT example of my point............genes NOT capable of winning on the big stage even doped

Are you and the greetard some sort of tag-team? Are you holding down the fanboy fort while the blisters his typing fingers heal?

 

[Wheels Go Round and Round]

Are you and the greetard some sort of tag-team? Are you holding down the fanboy fort while the blisters his typing fingers heal?

actually I find it ironic that dopers that get caught have the need to "come clean" when everyone knows it's BS............I'm no fanboy.........

I have said they are ALL ON THE DOPE.................wake up

 

[BroDeal]

Papp is a GREAT example of my point............genes NOT capable of winning on the big stage even doped

Your only point is to excuse Armstrong's doping by creating a strawman. No one is saying that dope can turn some sad Cat 4 donkey into a Tour de France winner except you. All the Pro Tour riders are thoroughbreds. Only a handful can win the TdF. From Armstrong's early career performance we clearly have a rider who could never win the Tour. He could not climb at the level of the GT GC contenders. He could not time trial at the level of the GT GC contenders. He never even showed flashes of ability in those disciplines during a single stage of an early Tour. Yet with Dr. Ferrari's help and two and a half liters of extra blood everything changed.

 

[BroDeal]

Floyd can’t be sanctioned (sporting sanctions) for anything prior to his positive test at the TdF, so whatever comes out about doping prior to that offence can’t be used for further bans, etc.

He could only be pursued if evidence exists that he has doped since that date.

Effectively his slate (or anyones) is wiped clean of any previous infractions once you get convicted of a positive.

Cool. FLandis should show up at the Tour of Utah as a rider without contract. That would kill.

 

[Colm.Murphy]

actually I find it ironic that dopers that get caught have the need to "come clean" when everyone knows it's BS............I'm no fanboy.........

I have said they are ALL ON THE DOPE.................wake up

Yes, they are all on dope. Understanding the differences between who is on what and why is the greater nuance in this adventure. Yes, they are all breaking the "rules" though for differing reasons and with different effects.

For the sake of full disclosure, I think observing the varying degree of ethical rot is why I have taken such a strong interest in the current events. A few years ago, actually pre-Landis tour win, I was slightly less than a fanatical fan, rooting for the riders whose style I enjoyed seeing attain success. Knowing they've all been doping, all the time, since the beginning of racing, is ancient news. Taking a moral offense to their doping is silly. "Hating" them is immature and ignorant. Not saying this is you but your posts are so odd, such random thought bursts, it is hard to understand why you are posting....

 

[python]

Yes, they are all on dope. Understanding the differences between who is on what and why is the greater nuance in this adventure. Yes, they are all breaking the "rules" though for differing reasons and with different effects.

For the sake of full disclosure, I think observing the varying degree of ethical rot is why I have taken such a strong interest in the current events. A few years ago, actually pre-Landis tour win, I was slightly less than a fanatical fan, rooting for the riders whose style I enjoyed seeing attain success. Knowing they've all been doping, all the time, since the beginning of racing, is ancient news. Taking a moral offense to their doping is silly. "Hating" them is immature and ignorant. Not saying this is you but your posts are so odd, such random thought bursts, it is hard to understand why you are posting....

indeed ! ....

 

[Wheels Go Round and Round]

Your only point is to excuse Armstrong's doping by creating a strawman. No one is saying that dope can turn some sad Cat 4 donkey into a Tour de France winner except you. All the Pro Tour riders are thoroughbreds. Only a handful can win the TdF. From Armstrong's early career performance we clearly have a rider who could never win the Tour. He could not climb at the level of the GT GC contenders. He could not time trial at the level of the GT GC contenders. He never even showed flashes of ability in those disciplines during a single stage of an early Tour. Yet with Dr. Ferrari's help and two and a half liters of extra blood everything changed.

I think you could have given Papp 4 gallons of blood, I don't think it would make a difference . You either have the ability and the dope or you don't

it is hard to understand why you are posting....

for someone who thinks they are of higher intelligence I find it odd that you don't know this is a forum to discuss cycling.........

 

[Colm.Murphy]

I think you could have given Papp 4 gallons of blood, I don't think it would make a difference . You either have the ability and the dope or you don't



for someone who thinks they are of higher intelligence I find it odd that you don't know this is a forum to discuss cycling.........

I make no outward claim about my own intelligence level. If you sense that I am of a higher intelligence (and, really, who can blame you), well, I guess accept your compliment. In looking at your posts, and channeling my best Martin Sheen as Captain Williard: "I don't see any discussion here at all, sir"

However, keep working at it. I am sure you will.

 

[BroDeal]

Not saying this is you but your posts are so odd, such random thought bursts, it is hard to understand why you are posting....

Looks like a pretty clear case of someone who a couple years ago was hopping mad that anyone would even suggest that Armstrong was using dope but has now fallen back into the defensive position that everyone does it so it does not matter. These days that seems to be the last refuge of an Armstrong scoundrel.