Lanky Poels? What do we know about him?

[hrotha]

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Poels wins a monument, never podium a classic never mind a monument and posters think a thread for Poels is OTT.

No, that's not it. It's the rather transparent angle people are objecting to.

Posters are making comments about it. Fair game.

Posters are making stupid comments about it. Fair game to call them out.

 

[Benotti69]

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Poels wins a monument, never podium a classic never mind a monument and posters think a thread for Poels is OTT.

No, that's not it. It's the rather transparent angle people are objecting to.

Posters are making comments about it. Fair game.

Posters are making stupid comments about it. Fair game to call them out.

Sky didn't give him number 61, 62 or the 68 number on his jersey, so much confidence did they have in him winning.

 

[LaFlorecita]

I don't think Poels winning is suspicious, he definitely isn't a nobody and showed plenty of promise before joining Sky too, as I tried to explain to some anti-doping folk on twitter too.
However, I thought it was suspicious that he didn't look tired or strained at all, neither during the race, the final sprint nor post-race. Just compare his sprinting face with Albasini's and Costa's, not to mention Samu who looked dead even before the final uphill stretch.

 

[Forever The Best]

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Do people really believe Poels won LBL clean? Really.

No, not really. That doesn't make every single argument that he dopes valid.

+100000000

 

[thehog]

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That line of reasoning is simply stupid.

Agreed.

Measuring on one climb this type of comparison is useful but here it's absurd. There are simply way too many variables in a 6.5hr race to compare. It's not like Di Lica or Poels rode on the front for entire race. They both took the opportunity in the last 1.5km, juice or no juice.

In saying that, I'm more concerned with Poels in stage races, I get the feeling he's going to smash the Tour. He will be Froome to Froome's Wiggins.

 

[sniper]

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I don't think Poels winning is suspicious, he definitely isn't a nobody and showed plenty of promise before joining Sky too, as I tried to explain to some anti-doping folk on twitter too.
However, I thought it was suspicious that he didn't look tired or strained at all[/b], neither during the race, the final sprint nor post-race. Just compare his sprinting face with Albasini's and Costa's, not to mention Samu who looked dead even before the final uphill stretch.

'big engine' maybe?

 

[Bernie's eyesore]

Pretty typical thread. New thread started mocking a rider's physical appearance whilst posting deliberately misleading information. Sensible people respond by saying he is talking rubbish. Original poster's mate comes on and accuses people of saying stuff they have never said. People get wound up, people get banned. The original two perpetrators sit at their computer screens laughing at another job well done.

(edited by mod)

 

[BigMac]

So, if we could keep it about Poels...

Further off-topic posts will have to be deleted.

Cheers.

 

[dacooley]

the general skeptisism is stratosphetic indeed. you physically can not get any new one week race/grand tour/big one day race winner so that thehog or any other clinic regular wouldn't lauch a new thread. not even speaking about the fact that there is simply no justice in this world when sky dare to win any bike races.

 

[bigcog]

Poels has good pedigree before joining Sky. He has shown good recent form and decent results in the past. Today was more a war of attrition than usual so why is the result so surprising.

 

[Tienus]

I don't think Poels is clean, he has been riding for dodgy teams troughout his career. However i do believe he is a much bigger talent then Froome or Wiggens.

 

[Benotti69]

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I don't think Poels is clean, he has been riding for dodgy teams troughout his career. However i do believe he is a much bigger talent then Froome or Wiggens.

Well his results prior to today show he has/had much more potential than those 2 donkeys.

 

[pastronef]

I must admit I thought about you Hog, when Poels crossed first today.
and voilà, a new thread

 

[danielovichdk2]

Poels looked good and rode smart.

 

[Forever The Best]

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Come on hog, you watched the 2011 Vuelta, because it's where the Chris Froome show began. Poels beat him on Angliru

and what has Poels done since?

2nd in Tour de l'Ain 2010
3rd in Tour Meditarrenean 2011
3rd in Vuelta a Murcia 2011
2nd in Castelraimondo,6th in Macerata in 2011 Tirreno
4th in Tour de Pologne with coming 2nd in Bukowina Tatranska
In La Vuelta 2011:
He was 8th in Sierra Nevada,2nd in Valdepenas de Jaen,and then had many more good results in that race,including 2nd in Angliru
http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/rider_palm.asp?riderid=7751&year=2011&all=1&current=0

Then in 2012 he was 5th on Malhao,3rd in Murcia,8th in Tirreno.
Pais Vasco was a bit disappointing.
Then he was injured heavily on Le Tour.
In 2013 he was in top-10 of both Tirreno and Pais Vasco.
In 2014 Pais Vasco he won at Arrate and was the only rider to follow Contador and Valverde the next day.
He was great in Oropa and Zoncolan in Giro.he was also good in some other stages.
In Poland he was decent at Bukowina Tatranska

Last year he won at Castelraimondo,was pretty decent at Modane,was great at Alpe d'Huez,was 8th at Gp Plouay.He was 2nd at Britain,5th at Milano-Torino and 12th at Lombardia.And 3rd at Abu Dhabi Tour.
This year he dominated Valencia and was 4th at FW.

It is not like he had a miracolous transformation like Froome or Wiggins.
I think he is doping,but he didn't have a miraculous transformation.

 

[The Hitch]

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Poels has good pedigree before joining Sky. He has shown good recent form and decent results in the past. Today was more a war of attrition than usual so why is the result so surprising.

Only Cobo was doping in that 2011 Vuelta, amiright?

Evil Cobo denying clean brits the first ever Brit 1-2 in a GT. Everyone else was clean, especially anyone who ended up at Sky because Brailsford has this ZTP that means no one who ever touched drugs will ever be employed by the team

 

[Forever The Best]

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Poels has good pedigree before joining Sky. He has shown good recent form and decent results in the past. Today was more a war of attrition than usual so why is the result so surprising.

Only Cobo was doping in that 2011 Vuelta, amiright?

Evil Cobo denying clean brits the first ever Brit 1-2 in a GT. Everyone else was clean, especially anyone who ended up at Sky because Brailsford has this ZTP that means no one who ever touched drugs will ever be employed by the team

Good post

 

[thehog]

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Poels has good pedigree before joining Sky. He has shown good recent form and decent results in the past. Today was more a war of attrition than usual so why is the result so surprising.

Only Cobo was doping in that 2011 Vuelta, amiright?

Evil Cobo denying clean brits the first ever Brit 1-2 in a GT. Everyone else was clean, especially anyone who ended up at Sky because Brailsford has this ZTP that means no one who ever touched drugs will ever be employed by the team

Holland is known for its mountains so no surprise Poels can climb

 

[burning]

A few people posted that they put money on him during the race and you guys are claiming that he came out of nowhere

 

[Rollthedice]

Sure he showed talent but apparently to fulfill his true potential he had to join Sky. Now he not only can get decent placings in one week races he can win them too! Now he can also win one day races. It's also nice to start with a monument.

 

[The Hitch]

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A few people posted that they put money on him during the race and you guys are claiming that he came out of nowhere

Lets close the Valverde thread then.

Afterall, he's never won a race that he wasn't pretty much odds on favourite to win before hand, so that means he's clean?

 

[BigMac]

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A few people posted that they put money on him during the race and you guys are claiming that he came out of nowhere

Lets close the Valverde thread then.

Afterall, he's never won a race that he wasn't pretty much odds on favourite to win before hand, so that means he's clean?

That's the whole premise of this thread, though, isn't it? Both in the OP and Benotti saying Poels has shown nothing that justifies him winning LBL. (mostly) Everyone here thinks he (likely) dopes, but not everyone thinks this was as unexpeced as it is being portrayed to be. As of now, only anedoctal evidence has been brought up bar the dodgy connections argument.

 

[burning]

I don't believe for a second that anyone on Sky is clean, however he didn't came out of nowhere like dawg did.

 

[The Hitch]

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A few people posted that they put money on him during the race and you guys are claiming that he came out of nowhere

Lets close the Valverde thread then.

Afterall, he's never won a race that he wasn't pretty much odds on favourite to win before hand, so that means he's clean?

That's the whole premise of this thread, though, isn't it? Both in the OP and Benotti saying Poels has shown nothing that justifies him winning LBL. (mostly) Everyone here thinks he (likely) dopes, but not everyone thinks this was as unexpeced as it is being portrayed to be. As of now, only anedoctal evidence has been brought up bar the dodgy connections argument.

Yeah, the point I wanted to make is its just Hog and Bennoti. No one else is making that point. Beyond that, as its the Poels thread, lets remember the reasons why he is suspicious, starting with he rides for the morally corrupt organization that is Team Sky.

 

[BigMac]

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A few people posted that they put money on him during the race and you guys are claiming that he came out of nowhere

Lets close the Valverde thread then.

Afterall, he's never won a race that he wasn't pretty much odds on favourite to win before hand, so that means he's clean?

That's the whole premise of this thread, though, isn't it? Both in the OP and Benotti saying Poels has shown nothing that justifies him winning LBL. (mostly) Everyone here thinks he (likely) dopes, but not everyone thinks this was as unexpeced as it is being portrayed to be. As of now, only anedoctal evidence has been brought up bar the dodgy connections argument.

Yeah, the point I wanted to make is its just Hog and Bennoti. No one else is making that point. Beyond that, as its the Poels thread, lets remember the reasons why he is suspicious, starting with he rides for the morally corrupt organization that is Team Sky.

Ok, I see, think burning only meant them by ''you guys'', but they can explain better.