Lappartient is worse for cycling than Cookson?

[thehog]

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Vaughters on Lappartient:

I haven't seen a lot of talk from Lappartient dealing with the actual issues in pro cycling. He tends to speak to problems with public interest as opposed to problems that are real.

I think a lot of the issues he brings up are far-fetched or not rooted in any type of reality. He seems focused on popularising himself, but hopefully that will change once he has settled into the role.

Do I feel like that motors are a genuine problem in pro cycling? Not even a little bit. It's a popular problem that creates headlines. But things such as low-quality hotels, unsafe courses and motorbikes are the real problems.

Here's a thing: you want a real issue that changes races? Sorry, motors? ******. The real issue that is changing the course of almost every single race is TV and commissaire motorbikes getting too close to riders, making it both unsafe and allowing drafting.

Why is that not being addressed? Riders don't talk about motors because they don't see it as an issue. Want to get riders upset? Talk about motor pacing happening every day in the peloton.

Motors not a problem, lousy hotels on the other hand... Brilliant :lol:

lol! Yes, I did find this very funny! Can we all remember when JV told us in 2000 that the peloton was “98% clean” or there was “a machine calibration error”. He will say anything to pretend there’s not a problem. I do agree motorbike safety is a big issue but stopping Froome from winning 5 is bigger

 

[LaFlorecita]

I'm starting to really like him - his plans sound promising. He has the right ideas.
Rasmussen and Vaughters opposing him only makes him more likeable!

 

[Craigee]

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I'm starting to really like him - his plans sound promising. He has the right ideas.
Rasmussen and Vaughters opposing him only makes him more likeable!

Fully agree.

 

[Craigee]

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Lappartient seems to be 'all over the place' with his public comments - Let's hope he focuses on one or two core issues, as opposed to any scattergun approach.

Or he might fix many things rather than one or two?

 

[pastronef]

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I'm starting to really like him - his plans sound promising. He has the right ideas.
Rasmussen and Vaughters opposing him only makes him more likeable!

I dont know if you read what he said.

he said "former dopers have no place in sport"

that means Vino, Lulu, Basso and Contador with their new team, Zakarin, Madiot, and so on have no place in the sport.

strange for you to like what he says

 

[Parker]

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I dont know if you read what he said.

he said "former dopers have no place in sport"

that means Vino, Lulu, Basso and Contador with their new team, Zakarin, Madiot, and so on have no place in the sport.

strange for you to like what he says

Don't forget Roger Legeay, head of the MPCC

Remember, this is a man who put Laurent Jalebert in charge of the French team

 

[Escarabajo]

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I'm starting to really like him - his plans sound promising. He has the right ideas.
Rasmussen and Vaughters opposing him only makes him more likeable!

I dont know if you read what he said.

he said "former dopers have no place in sport"

that means Vino, Lulu, Basso and Contador with their new team, Zakarin, Madiot, and so on have no place in the sport.

strange for you to like what he says

Oh man!
He has a tough task ahead of him!

 

[yaco]

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Lappartient seems to be 'all over the place' with his public comments - Let's hope he focuses on one or two core issues, as opposed to any scattergun approach.

Or he might fix many things rather than one or two?

Or possibly he should focus on issues of most importance - Cookson was criticised for not opening his mouth, while Lappartient seems to be the opposite.

 

[glassmoon]

didn't he install Jalabert as French national couch when he was the president of FRA cycling (or whatever it's called)?

 

[Alexandre B.]

Very stupid comment by Lappartient.

 

[Echoes]

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Don't forget Roger Legeay, head of the MPCC

Remember, this is a man who put Laurent Jalebert in charge of the French team

In 2009.

2013 Retroactive test busted Jalabert

What's the problem with Legeay?

 

[fmk_RoI]

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What's the problem with Legeay?

Busted in 74 or so. Paris-Nice, IIRC. Bennies.

 

[fmk_RoI]

As none of us have seen the Luxemburger Wort interview, just that tiny portion of it reported by Ekstra Bladet and repeated by others, a degree of caution could be advised here. We have, for instance, seen how a question about the possibility of six man teams one day in the future has been reported as Lappartient calling for six man teams.

However, I do wonder what he means by a former doper. I mean, clearly, judging him by his actions, some former dopers are still welcome in the sport. There's a former doper like Cyrille Guimard, who is clearly welcome in cycling:

And there's a former doper like Laurent Jalabert who is clearly welcome in cycling:

And there's a former doper like Alexander Vinokourov who is clearly welcome in cycling:

But what have we got for guidance on who is not welcome? Well, obviously, we have the rule Pat McQuaid introduced in 2011 or so, banning anyone busted after that date and handed a two year ban. The rules say they're not welcome in the sport. But what of people who doped before 2011? He says Bjarne Riis would not be welcomed back. But who else?

His puppet masters in ASO have, it should be noted, a similarly confused notion as to who rates as a former doper. Eddy Merckx (busted multiple times), Bernard Thévenet (busted and confessed), Joop Zoetemelk (busted too many times to count) have all been welcomed and celebrated by ASO at recent Tours. Bjarne Riis we know ASO have a thing against, giving him an asterisk in their guide historique but not giving the same accolade to Thévenet. And Jan Ullrich fell foul of someone this year, either in ASO or the Tour in Germany local organising committee. And Lance Armstrong ... well, what's there to say about LA?

What we seem to have is a generational thing. Gen EPO are the fall guys for everything. Maybe the others kept a lid on it enough but Gen EPO gave us the Festina affaire and subsequent controversies.

What would be nice would be someone somehow getting the UCI to clarify just who is and who is not a former doper. Maybe they could produce a list. These people, no selfies with Lappartient, these people selfies.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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I'm starting to really like him - his plans sound promising. He has the right ideas.
Rasmussen and Vaughters opposing him only makes him more likeable!

I dont know if you read what he said.

he said "former dopers have no place in sport"

that means Vino, Lulu, Basso and Contador with their new team, Zakarin, Madiot, and so on have no place in the sport.

strange for you to like what he says

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Yes and for cycling that may be what's necessary
Mind you that statement is the one I like least.
Besides the obvious also because a caught doper is not worse than one that has not been caught in my view.
He is miles better than that fraud Crookson anyway.

 

[pastronef]

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I'm starting to really like him - his plans sound promising. He has the right ideas.
Rasmussen and Vaughters opposing him only makes him more likeable!

I dont know if you read what he said.

he said "former dopers have no place in sport"

that means Vino, Lulu, Basso and Contador with their new team, Zakarin, Madiot, and so on have no place in the sport.

strange for you to like what he says

.
Yes and for cycling that may be what's necessary
Mind you that statement is the one I like least.
Besides the obvious also because a caught doper is not worse than one that has not been caught in my view.
He is miles better than that fraud Crookson anyway.

I knew. I understand. and wtf, I´d ask myself who will be left racing

if he wants to be better thank Cookson he should begin stopping getting photos with Vino and co.
one has to begin somewhere.
arrete les photos David!

 

[Echoes]

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I dont know if you read what he said.

he said "former dopers have no place in sport"

that means [...] Madiot, and so on have no place in the sport.

When did Madiot dope on official races? Do you have evidence for that?

 

[fmk_RoI]

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I dont know if you read what he said.

he said "former dopers have no place in sport"

that means [...] Madiot, and so on have no place in the sport.

When did Madiot dope on official races? Do you have evidence for that?

What an odd sound of silence in response...

AFAIK Madiot only ever fessed up to shooting up for the odd critérium, specifically said he never doped in real races.

 

[Blanco]

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I dont know if you read what he said.

he said "former dopers have no place in sport"

that means [...] Madiot, and so on have no place in the sport.

When did Madiot dope on official races? Do you have evidence for that?

What an odd sound of silence in response...

AFAIK Madiot only ever fessed up to shooting up for the odd critérium, specifically said he never doped in real races.

And we of course all believe him :lol: Just like Zabel doped only once in his career, or Froome is a champion of clean cycling He probably just wanted to see what it's like to be doped, at that criteriums

 

[Craigee]

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Lappartient seems to be 'all over the place' with his public comments - Let's hope he focuses on one or two core issues, as opposed to any scattergun approach.

Or he might fix many things rather than one or two?

Or possibly he should focus on issues of most importance - Cookson was criticised for not opening his mouth, while Lappartient seems to be the opposite.

The way I see it is that Cookson DID Nothing (which most agree on) and hopefully the Frenchy will. Can only wait and see what happens. How can you say he's just mouthing off until enough time has elapsed to prove one way or the other?

 

[yaco]

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Lappartient seems to be 'all over the place' with his public comments - Let's hope he focuses on one or two core issues, as opposed to any scattergun approach.

Or he might fix many things rather than one or two?

Or possibly he should focus on issues of most importance - Cookson was criticised for not opening his mouth, while Lappartient seems to be the opposite.

The way I see it is that Cookson DID Nothing (which most agree on) and hopefully the Frenchy will. Can only wait and see what happens. How can you say he's just mouthing off until enough time has elapsed to prove one way or the other?

At the moment he seems reactionary in his public comments - We can revisit Lappartient's progress in 12 months.

 

[fmk_RoI]

Re: Re:

Lappartient seems to be 'all over the place' with his public comments - Let's hope he focuses on one or two core issues, as opposed to any scattergun approach.

Or he might fix many things rather than one or two?

Or possibly he should focus on issues of most importance - Cookson was criticised for not opening his mouth, while Lappartient seems to be the opposite.

The way I see it is that Cookson DID Nothing (which most agree on) and hopefully the Frenchy will. Can only wait and see what happens. How can you say he's just mouthing off until enough time has elapsed to prove one way or the other?

At the moment he seems reactionary in his public comments - We can revisit Lappartient's progress in 12 months.

At the moment he is answering questions put to him in interviews - «Could teams be reduced to six riders, one day years from now?» «Possibly.» or «Do you think a Luxembourg hero of cycling like Bjarne Riis should be welcomed in cycling, despite having confessed to doping and despite the ADD report?» «No.» - unlike his predecessor whose standard response to interview questions was to waffle and give a non answer. It's not like he's turning up at the office this week and shouting «BAN DOPERS!» and the next week turning up and shouting «SIX-MAN TEAMS!».

Given that it was clear four years ago he wanted to be president of the UCI, the only sad thing here is that his opinions are only being widely reported - widely questioned - now.

 

[thehog]

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Lappartient seems to be 'all over the place' with his public comments - Let's hope he focuses on one or two core issues, as opposed to any scattergun approach.

Or he might fix many things rather than one or two?

Or possibly he should focus on issues of most importance - Cookson was criticised for not opening his mouth, while Lappartient seems to be the opposite.

The way I see it is that Cookson DID Nothing (which most agree on) and hopefully the Frenchy will. Can only wait and see what happens. How can you say he's just mouthing off until enough time has elapsed to prove one way or the other?

At the moment he seems reactionary in his public comments - We can revisit Lappartient's progress in 12 months.

January appears to be the next stake in he ground when Lappartient announces his motor-doping plans. Let us see.

 

[fmk_RoI]

Another interview (French), more ideas. On budget caps:

We are in preliminary discussions and I must also discuss with representatives of the teams. It's something that needs to be shared, accepted.

On motors:

I intend to be able to announce the UCI action plan in January, just before the start of the season.

On corticoids:

The idea is to be operational on January 1, 2019 because there are internal regulations to change.

On the calendar:

The ambition I want to bring is a global reform of professional cycling by 2020.

On the lack of women in cycling governance:

There is work to do in terms of governance to have a good representation of women in our federation.

 

[thehog]

The cards have been reshuffled on the UCI Cycling Council. That’s a fairly good make up. All the Brits have been banished.

Stapleton and Ekimov from Armstrong fame is interesting.

Professional Cycling Council
President

Mr Tom VAN DAMME (BEL)

Members appointed by the UCI Management Committee
Agata Lang (POL)
Renato Di Rocco (ITA)
José Luis Lopes Cerron (ESP)
Viatcheslav Ekimov (RUS)
Bob Stapleton (USA)

Riders' representative, member of the UCI Athletes' Commission
Bernhard Eisel (AUT)

Invited member
Roger Legeay (FRA)

AIGCP representatives
Javier Barrio
Iwan Spekenbrink

AIOCC representatives
Christian Prudhomme
Richard Chassot

CPA representative
Gianni Bugno

 

[Benotti69]

So no change in UCI culture.

I did not expect it.