Dekker_Tifosi said:Remember Erik Dekker. Also a -just not- rider like Gilbert until he suddenly won 3 tour stages, a world cup race, and the year after the World Cup itself, at age 30/31.
Echoes said:Top10 in Milan Sanremo, isn't that Top10 in a classic?
ak-zaaf said:Remember his 50+ in Verona '99?
After Rabo did everything in it's power to clean his name he probably just thought he was untouchable.
Gilbert is younger and shows improvement every season.
msjett said:Aussie, you know I am a Cadel fan, and I have taken a verbal beating on the odd occasion for my troubles. But honestly of late, the bias towards Cadel has become almost unbearable even for me.
Dekker_Tifosi said:Ofcourse he is, but fact remains that he has shown second to none in hilly classics last year. I'm just judging purely by results, it's a huge leap. Ofcourse any idiot could see he had class, but for those type of races, hard hilly classics, he didn't show much at all.
Why is that so hard for people to see Or why do people immediately think I'm suspecting anyone from dope. I'm not that kind of 'fan' Ease off bro
Dekker_Tifosi said:So in what way exactly is MSR comparable to actually HARD classics like AGR, LBL, FW, Lombardy?
Cmon, even I did the poggio on the outer blade, the climb is nothing. MSR is not a hilly classic/hard classic. Read what the subject is about please.
Echoes said:By the way, I think Hoogerland had to leave the Rabo junior team because of an abnormal testosterone/epitestosterone rate but the second assessment proved to be natural. Am I wrong?
Swingtop said:Then again, why bring this up? Is there really reason to doubt him? I'm just glad there's a (Dutch)man who doesn't believe in team orders and attacks at will, even though it's probably not that smart.
Echoes said:A certain site called Cyclingnews.com.
See the article Rabobank sack young rider
Angliru said:I think with Gilbert in the past and as recently as LBL the timing of his attacks were off, often a bit premature. Where if you look at his attack in GdL, he was in a group where someone (I can't for the life of me remember who it was) was on the front setting the pace, motioned for someone to take over while slightly veering to the left. The entire group followed the lead rider over instead of pulling through. Gilbert obviously saw this as sign that no one had the legs and/or inclination so he attacked. The right decision at the pivotal moment. Only Sanchez could respond. Compare that to LBL where he attacked just before the penultimate steep climb and essentially blew up. To me what happened next was a precursor to his season ending streak of wins: he was still able to recover from his failed attack to get 4th place in one of the toughest classics there is.
Its not like all of a sudden he's become an aggressive rider. This was his calling card. He now has the physical and mental maturity to put his aggressive nature to positive effect. It was written somewhere that he's taken the mantle that Paolo Bettini used to hold and I'd be inclined to agree to a lesser degree.
As far as the other classics, MSR is not beyond his ability as he's always been one of the animators there each year. This year he's shown that he can excel at Flanders. Its possible that being on a Belgium team has allowed him to reach his potential. I'm just curious why some are shocked at his results when he's always been an animator. These riders tend to get results more than a rider like, let's say Hincapie, (who I personally like), but seldom takes the initiative to take a chance and make something happen instead of waiting for others to do so and responding.
dimspace said:hoogerland, failed test at 18, and then a mediocre junior career, junior flanders in 2001 but then what, 3 notable wins in SIX years....