Le Tour 2018 stage 17: BDL to Saint-Lary-Soulan 65k

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Oude Geuze said:
Damn it’s hard to tell the clinic from the regular forum these days. Nothing but snark and innuendo all through the stage.
We need more casual fans here who still loves racing, drama and brave efforts without the constant cynicism and outcry. The selective sky hate is getting so old. They have twice the budget of other teams, why tf are people surprised that their doms can hang with team leaders?
Every team knows Egan Bernal is maybe the biggest talent of the last 10 years, Sky signed him, that’s what happens when a team has a lot of money. Learn to accept, it’s been 9 years. They will continue to sign stars, have money to develop and support them and afford to spend top riders just to carry their bottles through France. They will continue to win races. Can we just not moan about it every day?

Are you new to following sports?

If you are, I’ll give you a heads up. Leave aside for a moment that only the most determinedly naive can really hope to banish the entire history of the sport and the cynicism it naturally produces from fans attitudes. In any sport, if there is a dominant team that is, as you suggest, using a huge budget to continuously win major events, that team will be despised by fans of other teams and deeply resented by neutrals. Do you think that other English football fans were keen on Man Utd during the period of their dominance? Not only did their rivals hate them, just about every fan of teams that weren’t even in the same division as them wanted them to lose every game. Do you think other Scottish fans were anything but overjoyed when Glasgow Rangers went under?

Adding to that general phenomenon in Sky’s case is that part of the secret of their success is the use of their megabudget to pay superdoms to impose order and control on races. No cycling fans, barring a few masochists, wants to see orderly, controlled racing. Therefore from the point of view of the neutral who is mostly interested in entertainment, Sky are a thousand times more aggravating than the similarly dominant Quickstep.
 
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Flamin said:
I see no reason why Greipel would make stuff like this up, but if Demare has been blatantly cheating for multiple days now, how is there not ONE single image of this? I mean, this is 2018, come on.


Greipel just deleted his tweet after Demare response...

Escarabajo said:
Demare has been probably holding on to sticky bottles or French people has been pushing him all the way to the finishes. According to GPS he lost 9 minutes on Quintana on the last climb.

The GPS was taken on Kangert, peloton with Quintana was 3mn behind, it 12 minutes, not 9 actually. Still it's impressive if the GPS is correct. (But the time gaps are all over the place since the beginning of the race...)

More information :

"Demare's gap to the leader based on the tourtracker data"
https://twitter.com/velofacts/status/1022204078066163714/photo/1

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Doesn't look overly suspicious imo.
 
Just to round off the day's bizarre character -
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/chris-froome-crashed-by-gendarme-after-tour-de-france-stage/
Froome, wearing his helmet and a nondescript gray rain jacket over his team kit, riding his Pinarello while with the number 1 clearly showing on his frame tag, was photographed being grabbed by the arm by the gendarme.

Team Sky said the gendarme tried to stop Froome, who was descending with his bodyguard, and Froome crashed. The two had heated words with the gendarme before riding off.

The gendarmes are tasked with securing the course to protect the riders, often forcing spectators to walk their bikes, but the Tour de France competitors are generally allowed to descend on their bikes back to the team buses.

So after being pepper-sprayed as well, I can imagine a few "Clouseau" jokes going around the bus tonight.

EDIT - video of the incident at https://www.instagram.com/p/BlqYeNHBDAX/?taken-by=marcvisa14

Froome's bodyguard seems more worried about the gendarme's safety :)
https://twitter.com/albertsecall/status/1022164075080560640
 
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Escarabajo said:
Demare has been probably holding on to sticky bottles or French people has been pushing him all the way to the finishes. According to GPS he lost 9 minutes on Quintana on the last climb.

Lets stick to the facts - shall we? Demare lost 12:30 to Quintana, who was also over 3 minutes behind Kangert. French people pushing a french rider - that will always happen, i am not sure though if its really that big of an advantage (messes with your rhythm). Holding ono the car? Maybe, but than Greipel should at least have the balls to call it out directly if he witnessed it. This twitter data thing (even with an error in calculation) is rather passive aggressive.
 
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Chrispol said:
Flamin said:
I see no reason why Greipel would make stuff like this up, but if Demare has been blatantly cheating for multiple days now, how is there not ONE single image of this? I mean, this is 2018, come on.


Greipel just deleted his tweet after Demare response...

Escarabajo said:
Demare has been probably holding on to sticky bottles or French people has been pushing him all the way to the finishes. According to GPS he lost 9 minutes on Quintana on the last climb.

The GPS was taken on Kangert, peloton with Quintana was 3mn behind, it 12 minutes, not 9 actually. Still it's impressive if the GPS is correct. (But the time gaps are all over the place since the beginning of the race...)

More information :

"Demare's gap to the leader based on the tourtracker data"
https://twitter.com/velofacts/status/1022204078066163714/photo/1

Di-YXveX0AADs4B.jpg


Doesn't look overly suspicious imo.

Looks perfectly normal.
 
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ppanther92 said:
Chrispol said:
Flamin said:
I see no reason why Greipel would make stuff like this up, but if Demare has been blatantly cheating for multiple days now, how is there not ONE single image of this? I mean, this is 2018, come on.


Greipel just deleted his tweet after Demare response...

Escarabajo said:
Demare has been probably holding on to sticky bottles or French people has been pushing him all the way to the finishes. According to GPS he lost 9 minutes on Quintana on the last climb.

The GPS was taken on Kangert, peloton with Quintana was 3mn behind, it 12 minutes, not 9 actually. Still it's impressive if the GPS is correct. (But the time gaps are all over the place since the beginning of the race...)

More information :

"Demare's gap to the leader based on the tourtracker data"
https://twitter.com/velofacts/status/1022204078066163714/photo/1

Di-YXveX0AADs4B.jpg


Doesn't look overly suspicious imo.

Looks perfectly normal.
Should probably compare it to the stage winner
 
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Robert5091 said:
Just to round off the day's bizarre character -
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Froome, wearing his helmet and a nondescript gray rain jacket over his team kit, riding his Pinarello while with the number 1 clearly showing on his frame tag, was photographed being grabbed by the arm by the gendarme.

Team Sky said the gendarme tried to stop Froome, who was descending with his bodyguard, and Froome crashed. The two had heated words with the gendarme before riding off.

The gendarmes are tasked with securing the course to protect the riders, often forcing spectators to walk their bikes, but the Tour de France competitors are generally allowed to descend on their bikes back to the team buses.

So after being pepper-sprayed as well, I can imagine a few "Clouseau" jokes going around the bus tonight.

EDIT - video of the incident at <span class="skimlinks-unlinked">https://www.instagram.com/p/BlqYeNHBDAX/?taken-by=marcvisa14</span>

Froome's bodyguard seems more worried about the gendarme's safety :)
<span class="skimlinks-unlinked">https://twitter.com/albertsecall/status/1022164075080560640</span>

A photo just before the incident.
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Origin : https://twitter.com/albertsecall/status/1022386999855071233

That look by the gendarme, ready to strike ! :D Meanwhile Arnaud Demare...
 
Not related to the top figures and a bit irrelevant to the discussion perhaps but while Valverde finished a few seconds ahead of Bardet i think he started the climb ahead of the main peloton? Everyone else started at effectively the same time though