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great interview! thanks for posting...Lemond is such a classy guy...an American Champion we can feel proud of...whereas Armstrong is simply an embarrassment...
 
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epo not an issue pre '91

epo was brand new in europe in 1991. discussions on the gossip rides were only starting to hear of a wonder drug that a few athletes had got their hands on. we were all keen ti find out more, but it took a number of years to become common. Testosterone speed and gluc-cortico steroids were all that most were taking, they were considered as low risk drugs that everyone was comfortable with. Road trips to Swirzerland were starting slowly late 1991 as no scripts were required for epo at the local Apoteek's..
Lemond was talked about as 100% clean in the peloton. We willnever know though, as there were no tests for cortico's or small doses of test at that time.
 
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epo was brand new in europe in 1991. discussions on the gossip rides were only starting to hear of a wonder drug that a few athletes had got their hands on. we were all keen ti find out more, but it took a number of years to become common. Testosterone speed and gluc-cortico steroids were all that most were taking, they were considered as low risk drugs that everyone was comfortable with. Road trips to Swirzerland were starting slowly late 1991 as no scripts were required for epo at the local Apoteek's..
Lemond was talked about as 100% clean in the peloton. We willnever know though, as there were no tests for cortico's or small doses of test at that time.

I think we can interpret the silence of his team mates, soigneurs, mechanics and former DS that have not accused LeMond of being a hypocrite as a pretty accurate judge of whether LeMond partook in that side of cycling.

LeMond has been retired 20 years. That is a long time.

Where are all those guys who are tired of 20 years of LeMond talking about doping, when he took this or that like everyone else?

Remember when LeMond said " if Lance is clean, it is the greatest comeback in the history of sport. If he isn't, it would be thegreatest fraud."

When he said that he was pulling the rug out from under a lot of people not just Armstrong. Yet the silence is deafening when so many doped.

I think we can say we great conviction now that LeMond did not dope.

Also bear in mind that LeMond revealed his abuse at the hands of his Uncle something far harder to admit to then doping in sport. Admitting to doping after that would be a walk in the park.
 
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Oh please LeMond. The victim.

I've got ADD. I was abused at 12yrs old.

WTF do so many people out there after 30yrs of not saying a word, then come out and start making accusations about things like abuse?

Not saying it isn't true...just adds to the long list of celebrities and personalities that have "issues" and baggage.

He is so brave for speaking now.


Isn't anybody the least bit suspicious of LeMond and his amazing 3 tour wins? Against guys that were known/admitted dopers?
 
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zigmeister said:
Oh please LeMond. The victim.

I've got ADD. I was abused at 12yrs old.

WTF do so many people out there after 30yrs of not saying a word, then come out and start making accusations about things like abuse?

Not saying it isn't true...just adds to the long list of celebrities and personalities that have "issues" and baggage.

He is so brave for speaking now.


Isn't anybody the least bit suspicious of LeMond and his amazing 3 tour wins? Against guys that were known/admitted dopers?

Wow, classy.... You have no idea, truly, what a horrible, unfeeling post.

Good on you, Greg.

Oh, and as for suspicions, read the above posts. 18 years retired, he's got a big mouth about doping and has ruffled many feathers and yet not a single scrap of anything credible, even after Armstrong threw money at it!
 
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greg lemond said:
Then in 2000 I heard some disturbing stuff from someone in the team and it became impossible.
who was that rider ?......i am guessing either frankie or vaughters ?
 
inbrugge said:
epo was brand new in europe in 1991. discussions on the gossip rides were only starting to hear of a wonder drug that a few athletes had got their hands on. we were all keen ti find out more, but it took a number of years to become common. Testosterone speed and gluc-cortico steroids were all that most were taking, they were considered as low risk drugs that everyone was comfortable with. Road trips to Swirzerland were starting slowly late 1991 as no scripts were required for epo at the local Apoteek's..
Lemond was talked about as 100% clean in the peloton. We willnever know though, as there were no tests for cortico's or small doses of test at that time.

Thanks for your input! It fits with the time line I have spinning around in my head. I suspect a select few had earlier access to epo. I'm thinking those with connections to Conconi. Possibly also some dutch riders or with links to dutch teams. But that is more of a hunch. Also there might be something relating to Fuentes and Iñaki Arratibel providing epo that early.

As for Lemond, the risk of getting caught then is one thing, but with someone as prominent as Lemond, I have difficulty seeing Lance and friends not being able to dig up anything at all.

But nothing is impossible. Personally I'm not that focused on the corticos and stuff in the late 80s and early 90s. However if one used it before epo became available, I view the likelihood that someone would also use epo as higher, and then I feel it's sensible to question the results.
 
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who was that rider ?......i am guessing either frankie or vaughters ?

Logically it would be someone who felt he knew Lemond enough to talk to him about it. Racing in the Peleton together as americans I think would create that sence of familiarity. That would require a narrow age disparity. I don't see Vaughters knowing Lemond that well, and talking about something so sensitive as that with him. I would narrow my selection to Frankie Andreu and Marty Jemison. They both left postal in 2000 and could feel free enough to talk. Of those, I think Frankie rode the tour at the same time as Lemond in 92.

So I would think Frankie is the guy.
 
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python said:
who was that rider ?......i am guessing either frankie or vaughters ?

It may not have been a rider. I remember an interview of LeMond circa 2004 noting that during a reunion of the former Z/Gan team in 2000, he had a conversation with his former mechanic Julien de Vries, then working for Postal, about what was going on...
 
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Race Radio said:
It was Julian devries. He was lead mechanic on USPS but was also Greg, and Eddies, mecahinic
so, a humble mechanic...the hog must have run a very porous ship. no wonder usada got so many witnesses. any chance julian had become usada's witness because i do not recall him featuring in any of the previous armstrong exposers ?
 
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python said:
so, a humble mechanic...the hog must have run a very porous ship. no wonder usada got so many witnesses. any chance julian had become usada's witness because i do not recall him featuring in any of the previous armstrong exposers ?

No way Julian talked.

I would not consider him humble. He ruled the staff. All the riders were afraid of him. When bikes were being sold to fund the doping program no-way that happens without Julian's approval.

Remember when French TV followed Jeff Spencer and del Moral as they dumped bags of drugs, syringes, and actovigen? Julian said it was for is diabetes. :eek: Showed up next year with a big Mercedes.
 
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@rr, torebear, callac

thanx guys for enlightening me. i never followed lemond closely. you helped to fill some gaps.
 
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python said:
who was that rider ?......i am guessing either frankie or vaughters ?

I can't speak for Greg, but i was tipped off by "someone" on that team as well.
More than just riders on teams ya know. Emma Oreilly would be considered part of the team for instance, so are many others;)
 
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How Predictable

zigmeister said:
Oh please LeMond. The victim.
I've got ADD. I was abused at 12yrs old.
WTF do so many people out there after 30yrs of not saying a word, then come out and start making accusations about things like abuse?
Not saying it isn't true...just adds to the long list of celebrities and personalities that have "issues" and baggage.
He is so brave for speaking now.
Isn't anybody the least bit suspicious of LeMond and his amazing 3 tour wins? Against guys that were known/admitted dopers?

This kind of moronic bashing is exactly what one would expect from one of LA's tools. I wonder, is he under contract, or paid for piece work?

You are outed.
 
Race Radio said:
Remember when French TV followed Jeff Spencer and del Moral as they dumped bags of drugs, syringes, and actovigen?

Anyone have a link to this video? I've seen bits and peices of it on the internet but never the whole report.

Also, if possible, could someone send me the link to the infamous "speech" Armstrong gave I think at his last Tour while on the podium with Ivan Basso and (I believe it was) Ullrich? I can't find that one anywhere either for some reason.

Thanks in advance.
 
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