LeMond II

[thehog]

Is there anyone here who said the Mc Ilvain tape was "cool" ?

Wouldn't this thread be better if all moved on from that single fact ?

Proofs?



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[@NL_LeMondFans]

Proofs?



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What proofs ?

And you didn't answer my questions :

was the collapse of the LeMondBikes brand fair ?

Who said the Mc Ilvain tape was cool ?

 

[thehog]

I think Hog's just reminiscent of Maserati, and he's trying to get you to play the role that Maserati would have played, had he not been banned.

Gooner managed to drop into a thread as the discussion had just about wound up and one he hadn't followed, he then pointed the finger at everyone else then left.

He must have seen Sky mentioned and it pricked up his interest. No doubt the comments on Wiggins got him all fired up and he started quoting a Walsh book then changed his mind that it was another book.

Funny to watch but not very productive.

 

[gooner]

Gooner managed to drop into a thread as the discussion had just about wound up and one he hadn't followed, he then pointed the finger at everyone else then left.

He must have seen Sky mentioned and it pricked up his interest. No doubt the comments on Wiggins got him all fired up and he started quoting a Walsh book then changed his mind that it was another book.

Funny to watch but not very productive.

That's a falsehood.

I never mentioned a Walsh book saying it. I remember him saying it in the past. I said Lim telling Floyd is in Macur's book.

I posted about this last year.

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=1441194&postcount=26164
http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=1451247&postcount=24

I agree with Mark. It's clear as day you're only interested in baiting me into an endless argument going around in circles.

 

[thehog]

That's a falsehood.

I never mentioned a Walsh book saying it. I remember him saying it in the past. I said Lim telling Floyd is in Macur's book.

I posted about this last year.

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=1441194&postcount=26164
http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=1451247&postcount=24

I agree with Mark. It's clear as day you're only interested in baiting me into an endless argument going around in circles.

Perhaps stop with me (because you like me). And enter the debate on LeMond and the phone call.

I've answered your question, time for you to add some value to the thread.

What are you thoughts on recorded phone call? With respect to the Trek dispute and Armstrong?

 

[D-Queued]

Greg got a big fat pay out from Trek. Even after making his sleazy call and releasing it into the Internet.

My opinion has always been the same. When Armstrong was still riding the tape added some validity on a very small scale to those who thought he was doping over those who didn't.

Now that Arnstrong has finally been caught it doesn't change the fact of what LeMond did. The manner in which he lied, obtained the information from a single mother to further his own financial gain in the dispute with Trek.

In terms of bringing down Armstrong the tape had zero significance. It was mildly entertaining internet fodder.

LeMond played the same game as Armstrong. He had a business relationship with Trek. He saw a threat to that with Armstrong. So rather than dealing with Trek direct he teamed up with Walsh to stay off that threat. Armstrong retaliated and LeMond cried. A lot. Which lead him to preying on others and recording phone calls even he was asked if he was recording he said no.

Armstrong goes down and Greg gets a nice pay out. Bingo.

Happy?

Sigh.

Are you serious?

If you are, you are lying.

I don't see any smilies or anything.

If I hadn't read your posts over the past many years now I would be a little more likely to condemn such an egregious statement.

But, you actually do know better. And, you didn't used to post this way.

So, why post such falsehoods?

Is this the 'I will do whatever I can to get banned' thread?

Fact:

Greg didn't collect anything from Trek.

Fact:

Trek made a donation to a charity supported by LeMond as part of the mutual settlement.

LeMond and Trek reach settlement

"Cycling legend Greg LeMond and Trek Bicycle Corporation announced an agreement to close out all remaining issues for the business venture they began in 1995, and to provide funding for a charity near Greg's heart," read the release

That amount being $200,000, and somewhat short of a big fat payout.

LeMond's attorney, James DiBoise, told the Daily News that Trek will donate $200,000 to 1in6.org, an organization that supports victims of sexual abuse. A $100,000 installment is expected to be given in 10 days, and the remainder of the donation will come in one year, DiBoise said.

Fact:

Lance has never made a donation to his charity - not even indirectly.

Fact:

Lance has received appearance fees well into seven figures, that could be characterized as multiple big fat payouts, for Livestrong functions where he pocketed all the dough.

Fact: Lemond NEVER "played the same game as Armstrong."

Not with Trek, not with his cycling career, not in his business dealings, and not with his supported charity or any other.

That is your second major lie. I won't quibble with the small ones.

(Almost certain) Fact: You read the Trek/Lemond settlement release, followed the discussion here, probably elsewhere as well, and know full well you are lying.

Suggesting, as you have, that Greg somehow profited, largely and directly - your "big fat payout" - is more than a distortion. Your post is clearly meant to cast a negative light on Greg. Such a statement disparages both LeMond and Trek.

LeMond might let that go, but if I were Trek I might consider monitoring your posts. Assuming, of course, that JV was wrong and that there are more than a dozen folks that pay attention to this forum.

Why do you continue lying about Greg?

What's your deal?

Dave.

 

[MarkvW]

Greg LeMond is like, um, rich. That kind of gets forgotten in the "Lance is the evil destroyer of worlds" narrative that gets oversold here.

 

[thehog]

U.S. District Court Judge Richard H. Kyle formally dismissed the suit with prejudice Monday afternoon, meaning that neither side can raise the same issues in court again. Terms of the settlement are confidential, but LeMond's San Francisco-based lawyer Jamie DiBoise confirmed that Trek will give donations totaling $200,000 to a charity, 1in6.org, that LeMond helped found to support adult victims of childhood sexual abuse. LeMond revealed several years ago that he had been molested by a family friend while growing up.

Uh em... cough cough

 

[MarkvW]

Uh em... cough cough

And thehog smacks a grand slamola into the upper deck.
Good post, hog.

 

[thehog]

Lance has never made a donation to his charity - not even indirectly.

Why lie?

the Founder's Circle brought together entrepreneurial stewards who understood our passion and made a difference through donations of $500,000 or more. The LIVESTRONG Foundation honors these individuals in perpetuity for their generosity and continued support.

The Armstrong Family

The 7 Society recognizes individuals and organizations who have made an extraordinary financial commitment to the LIVESTRONG Foundation. Each member of this group has a cumulative giving commitment totaling $1 million or more to the global fight against cancer.

Lance Armstrong

http://ar2012.livestrong.org/?_ga=1.16038966.12507098.1422647850

 

[D-Queued]

And thehog smacks a grand slamola into the upper deck.
Good post, hog.

Hardly.

What thehog claimed is a lie.

Period.

Poor taste, and poor post thehog.

Dave.

 

[thehog]

And thehog smacks a grand slamola into the upper deck.
Good post, hog.

I believe the term "confidential" is used for "bucket loads of cash".

 

[MarkvW]

Why lie?









http://ar2012.livestrong.org/?_ga=1.16038966.12507098.1422647850

And thehog has defiantly done it again! Will there be a rebuttal, ladies and gentlemen?

 

[MarkvW]

I believe the term "confidential" is used for "bucket loads of cash".

It stands for "we'll pay you to keep your mouth shut about how fucking good it is."

 

[MarkvW]

Hardly.

What thehog claimed is a lie.

Period.

Poor taste, and poor post thehog.

Dave.

Either you are lying, or he is. His quote talks about a confidential settlement. I don't think that he is fabricating it.

 

[D-Queued]

Either you are lying, or he is. His quote talks about a confidential settlement. I don't think that he is fabricating it.

He is fabricating the financial terms of the settlement.

You know it. He knows it.

Dave.

 

[Digger]

And the hog smashes it out of the park - game, set and match

Good post Hog

 

[MarkvW]

He is fabricating the financial terms of the settlement.

You know it. He knows it.

Dave.

You said "Greg didn't collect anything from Trek."
Hog pointed out that Lemond's lawyer said that the terms of the settlement are confidential and also stated that a $200K donation had been made.

Do you have the slightest shred of evidence to back up your statement that Greg Lemond didn't collect anything?

Hog's post makes a lot more sense.

 

[D-Queued]

You said "Greg didn't collect anything from Trek."
Hog pointed out that Lemond's lawyer said that the terms of the settlement are confidential and also stated that a $200K donation had been made.

Do you have the slightest shred of evidence to back up your statement that Greg Lemond didn't collect anything?

Hog's post makes a lot more sense.

It only makes sense if you believe that LeMond's lawyer wasn't telling the truth, or was hiding part of it.

The 200k is/was the financial settlement.

Dave.

 

[thehog]

Greg LeMond is not Chuck Norris.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Uh em... cough cough

And the hog smashes it out of the park - game, set and match

Good post Hog

You said "Greg didn't collect anything from Trek."
Hog pointed out that Lemond's lawyer said that the terms of the settlement are confidential and also stated that a $200K donation had been made.

Do you have the slightest shred of evidence to back up your statement that Greg Lemond didn't collect anything?

Hog's post makes a lot more sense.

So nobody can prove what Mr. Lemond got in his settlement from Trek...smashing success, drove that ball from the yard, skull fu*ked it...

If someone asks me where all of the trolls are today, I'll point them to the cesspool that is this thread now.

But keep on, hammering Mr. Lemond is sure to pay-off BIG for the fight against doping in cycling. This thread will TURN THE TIDE!!! Keep fighting dudes, keep fighting...

 

[thehog]

It only makes sense if you believe that LeMond's lawyer wasn't telling the truth, or was hiding part of it.

The 200k is/was the financial settlement.

Dave.

No, it exactly how it was stated.

The terms were "confidential". Not, the terms were a donation to xxx charity.

Come on Dave, now you're just fabricating information. Not cool.

 

[MarkvW]

It only makes sense if you believe that LeMond's lawyer wasn't telling the truth, or was hiding part of it.

The 200k is/was the financial settlement.

Dave.

You're being purposely obtuse.

Of COURSE he was hiding part of it!! He had to!! The settlement was
CONFIDENTIAL!!

Do you seriously think Greg Lemond's lawyer would BREACH the terms of a CONFIDENTIAL settlement in Greg Lemond's favor shortly after signing the settlement agreement?

Hoggie's position makes a lot more sense than yours.

And, thanks for admitting that you do not know the complete terms of the settlement.

 

[Digger]

so D Q is saying that the 200 grand amount which was publicised is also confidential!! In one way it's put out in the PR release - and in the same release they say it's confidential.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Greg got a big fat pay out from Trek. Even after making his sleazy call and releasing it into the Internet.

My opinion has always been the same. When Armstrong was still riding the tape added some validity on a very small scale to those who thought he was doping over those who didn't.

Now that Arnstrong has finally been caught it doesn't change the fact of what LeMond did. The manner in which he lied, obtained the information from a single mother to further his own financial gain in the dispute with Trek.

In terms of bringing down Armstrong the tape had zero significance. It was mildly entertaining internet fodder.

LeMond played the same game as Armstrong. He had a business relationship with Trek. He saw a threat to that with Armstrong. So rather than dealing with Trek direct he teamed up with Walsh to stay off that threat. Armstrong retaliated and LeMond cried. A lot. Which lead him to preying on others and recording phone calls even he was asked if he was recording he said no.

Armstrong goes down and Greg gets a nice pay out. Bingo.

Happy?

You're being purposely obtuse.

Of COURSE he was hiding part of it!! He had to!! The settlement was
CONFIDENTIAL!!

Do you seriously think Greg Lemond's lawyer would BREACH the terms of a CONFIDENTIAL settlement in Greg Lemond's favor shortly after signing the settlement agreement?

Hoggie's position makes a lot more sense than yours.

And, thanks for admitting that you do not know the complete terms of the settlement.

Prove it was big or STFU...

NOTE: If it ended up being a net-loss, and there is every possibility that it was, any paralegal or elected judge with a modicum of intelligence could have worked out that, in the real world, it was likely anything but big in terms of actual gain...