LeMond II

[rata de sentina]

Tomasini?
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Oh yeah baby!

 

[Microchip]

Tomasini?
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Lovely! Nice series of advertising photos they've got there.

 

[Bosco10]

Tomasini?
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I still like that old school look.. thin tubing, fancy lug-work, chrome forks, 'thin' wheels, etc. There is a certain jewel-like quality to it all.

 

[yespatterns]

Since this thread is all about Lemond, I'm putting this link in.

First Look: Lemond Washoe

Steel though? It must be heavy! But it's most likely a great bike!

I live in reno, and am dropping by there this weekend... can't wait!

 

[yespatterns]

Tomasini?
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Vanilla. I only wish i could afford the price and wait list.

 

[Microchip]

Vanilla. I only wish i could afford the price and wait list.

Vanilla is gorgeous too!!!!

 

[gooner]

Enter Lance Armstrong — celebrated cancer survivor, philanthropist, mega-marketable super-athlete — and the LeMonds’ quiet life began to crumble.

Of course, LeMond knew Armstrong. In fact, they had appeared at each other’s fundraising events. “I was a big fan of the guy,” Greg said.

By 2001, Armstrong had won the third of his seven Tour victories. His cycling feats made him a global brand and a corporate beacon for the likes of Nike and Trek. His defiance of his disease made him an extraordinary inspiration for people with cancer.

He acquired a kind of cultural deification, said Steve Hed of Shoreview, whose company, Hed Cycling Products, made wheels for Armstrong’s and LeMond’s bikes. Hed remembers seeing people in Europe holding up cancer-stricken children in front of Armstrong, hoping that he would simply touch them.

But back in Minneapolis, LeMond knew that something was wrong.

Armstrong had hired several members of LeMond’s former bike crew. They were telling LeMond, “ ‘You would not believe what’s going on with Lance,’ ” syringes, IVs, bags of blood — all evidence of doping. “I was disgusted,” LeMond said. “It was totally intolerable to watch. But I knew it [the truth] couldn’t come from me. It wouldn’t look right for me to call him on it.”

http://www.startribune.com/lifestyle/280231442.html?page=all&prepage=1&c=y#continue

 

[86TDFWinner]

http://www.startribune.com/lifestyle...1&c=y#continue

Nice to see the ONLY AMERICAN TDF WINNER in a better place.

 

[ralphbert]

Nice to see the ONLY AMERICAN TDF WINNER in a better place.

Seems like he is the same old place. Stuck in that bitter jealous place.

 

[Granville57]

http://www.startribune.com/lifestyle/280231442.html?page=all&prepage=1&c=y#continue

As I've stated previously, the industry should be ashamed of itself for the way LeMond was shun for so long. He dared to question The Myth, and yet it was so obvious to anyone with a half a functioning brain that that's exactly what it was: A myth.

Manufacturers and media outlets alike all cowered from Armstrong. It's pathetic. Now they behave as if LeMond has gone through some sort of metamorphosis or something. He hasn't changed, it's just that the industry is no longer afraid to embrace him once again.

I'm happy to see him benefitting from the changing tide, but the spineless and hypocritical nature of his current corporate supporters is glaringly obvious for all to see.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

He questioned the myth but had multiple sources who could have provided first-hand evidence to back up his questioning?

The mind boggles.

 

[Digger]

He questioned the myth but had multiple sources who could have provided first-hand evidence to back up his questioning?

The mind boggles.

This...he said he wasn't the guy to start questioning lance...rewriting history here. Clearly the only reason he volunteered to testify against floyd, and make a claim which floyd still disputes, was to get to lance...nothing to do with anti doping.
Also seen as indurain was doping why Greg has said nothing on that?

The headline of that article is unreal....looking to the future as he yet again talks about lance.

 

[happytramp]

The headline of that article is unreal....looking to the future as he yet again talks about lance.

Do you honestly think he invited people to interview him to talk about Lance? Or do you think it's more likely that that's what the interviewers wanted to talk to him about?

 

[Digger]

Do you honestly think he invited people to interview him to talk about Lance? Or do you think it's more likely that that's what the interviewers wanted to talk to him about?

Well obviously there was a gun to Greg's head in agreeing to the interview - he was clearly told lance would not be mentioned and another gun was put to his head in the interview to make him talk about lance...greg had zero control of his mouth or the direction of the interview. There's been a lot of guns put to greg's head to talk about lance lately.

 

[gooner]

Do you honestly think he invited people to interview him to talk about Lance? Or do you think it's more likely that that's what the interviewers wanted to talk to him about?

The headline "move on after 12 years of hell." Move on from what exactly?

Of course he was going to then be asked about Lance as well as talking about how he's doing nowadays following on from it.

 

[Digger]

People forget that Greg had a chance to bring all this to court in the Trek case...before Floyd...and he settled. Witnesses were prepared... all set...and Greg settled.

 

[D-Queued]

People forget that Greg had a chance to bring all this to court in the Trek case...before Floyd...and he settled. Witnesses were prepared... all set...and Greg settled.

Reasonable people, with capable counsel, settle.

The jury is still out on Lance.

Dave.

 

[Granville57]

He questioned the myth but had multiple sources who could have provided first-hand evidence to back up his questioning?

The mind boggles.

I'm honestly not sure which side of the fence you're on here. Could you clarify? Thanks.

The headline of that article is unreal....looking to the future as he yet again talks about lance.

But clearly it was not Greg who wrote the headline. That's what headlines are used for: sensationalism; mouse clicks, etc.

As for being "Anti-Lance," why wouldn't LeMond be that way? Lance tried very deliberately and persistently to ruin LeMonds reputation and livelihood. Who wouldn't adopt an "anti-bully" stance against such behavior, and direct that energy towards the bully?

If Lance had secretly been robbing banks around the world, and LeMond got wind of that, no doubt LeMond would've pushed that issue in order to retaliate against the bully, and to expose the darker side of someone portraying themselves to the world as a white knight. That wouldn't mean that Greg should be considered "anti-bank robber," per se, it would simply be the logical extension of defending oneself against a fraudulently deceptive adversary.

His appearance, and involvement, in Floyd's case did not reflect well on LeMond at the time. I'll give you that. But far be it from me to sort out all the he-said/she-said aspects of why he was there in the first place. Maybe he knew Floyd had doped, and just couldn't stand the thought of the mantle being passed from Lance to Landis (see what I did there? ).

I dunno. I still have a lot of questions about that chapter, but not nearly enough answers to comment more fully.

I just don't think it should be surprising that Greg is "Anti-Lance."

For the record, has LeMond ever declared himself "Anti-Doping" in the public way that Vaughters has? Or is that a title bestowed upon him by others?

 

[DirtyWorks]

If Lance had secretly been robbing banks around the world, and LeMond got wind of that, no doubt LeMond would've pushed that issue...

This is an interesting analogy in that it highlights how completely separate IOC sport corruption really is.

If Robbing banks: Independent Federal agency empowered with an enormous budget with many simple, specific ways to prosecute in an independent judicial system also with an enormous budget that is relatively transparent.

If doping: report the crime to the International Union of protecting dopers where there is no budget or will to investigate and a party-funded arbitration system stacked with employees of the International Union of protecting dopers with very little transparency throughout. There is almost no way to invoke law enforcement and the judicial system because there are no easily enforceable laws and weak punishment.

So, yeah, LeMond did the smartest thing to do as the situation presented itself.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

I'm honestly not sure which side of the fence you're on here. Could you clarify? Thanks.

I am honestly not sure what the fence is you are discussing. Could you clarify?

 

[Granville57]

I am honestly not sure what the fence is you are discussing. Could you clarify?

I just wasn't sure what you meant with this:

He questioned the myth but had multiple sources who could have provided first-hand evidence to back up his questioning?

The mind boggles.

What is it that boggles the mind?

The "fence" reference was just me wondering if you were supporting LeMond or deriding him. I must be misreading something because normally such things are far easier for me to ascertain.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Try and focus on actions vs people. I am saying - and it's only my perception - that LeMond has seemed to whinge at and about Armstrong for an effing long time now - including way back in the day (when was that infamous VO2max argument?).

Now you can
1. rant and rave
2. stfu
3. put together the evidence available to you - sounds like multiple witnesses to the doping - and do something real or useful

He chose #1.

Personally I cannot imagine doing #1 if I had #3 as an option. And not just way back then. How about when it all started to hit the fan? Was any of this alleged evidence made available to USADA? Don't recall reading of that occurring?

So why even mention it now? To what end?

Boggling.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Now you can
1. rant and rave
2. stfu
3. put together the evidence available to you - sounds like multiple witnesses to the doping - and do something real or useful

He chose #1.

Personally I cannot imagine doing #1 if I had #3 as an option. And not just way back then..

Take it to the UCI. The one Hein ran. Who was in on the fraud.

The last guy to do the right thing is still getting sh!t for it. LeMond had enough trouble as it was between Lance and Trek.

IMO, lemond did not rant and rave either. The ranting and raving was done by the armstrong faithful.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Take it to the UCI. The one Hein ran. Who was in on the fraud.

The last guy to do the right thing is still getting sh!t for it. LeMond had enough trouble as it was between Lance and Trek.

IMO, lemond did not rant and rave either. The ranting and raving was done by the armstrong faithful.

Is that a no then? He didn't take his evidence to USADA?

 

[Race Radio]

Take it to the UCI. The one Hein ran. Who was in on the fraud.

The last guy to do the right thing is still getting sh!t for it. LeMond had enough trouble as it was between Lance and Trek.

IMO, lemond did not rant and rave either. The ranting and raving was done by the armstrong faithful.

Yup

Everything seems so easy to people with no skin in the game. For years Greg was good for a little more then handful of quotes that Lance blew up into a mythical non-stop rant.