LeMond II

[Parker]

Wow.

You blame that on Floyd?

So it's unreasonable to connect them is it?

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Ok. That's him in the clear then. He just told his *** friend confidential information.

Now we just have the computer hacking, the Floyd Fairness Fund, Positively False, his father-in-law's suicide and his continuing denial that he took testosterone when he tested positive.

Admittedly this isn't as repulsive as LeMond being nice to Indurain, but it should go unnoticed.

Wow.

You blame that on Floyd?

Yea, normally, jilted fanboys are just shrill and whiny, but Parker just showed they can be completely disgusting POS too.

 

[Parker]

I've never understood how so many justifiably jaded followers of cycling think Lemond is the only cyclist in history who won the tour clean. The notion defies credulity.
I'm not saying he doped, because I don't know. But it just seems amazing to me that he's the only one who did it without any form of enhancement.
Landis' comments are bang on, drunk or not. I've always had the impression that others have based their careers on getting their comeuppance on someone who is clearly not a nice person.
Am i the only one who thinks JV's "clean cycling project" was motivated in part to expose Armstrong?

God, you're so easily played. Landis is just repeating you opinions back at you to get approval. It's the most basic political tool in the book.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

So it's unreasonable to connect them is it?

Yes, it really just takes on disgusting excuse for a human to do it. You didn't just LINK them, you placed blame. That makes you a special kind of scum.

 

[thehog]

God, you're so easily played. Landis is just repeating you opinions back at you to get approval. It's the most basic political tool in the book.

And you believe the Walsh books? Sandshoes included? Oh Parker, you really do go on...

 

[D-Queued]

Ok. That's him in the clear then. He just told his *** friend confidential information.

...snip...

Admittedly this isn't as repulsive as LeMond being nice to Indurain, but it should go unnoticed.

And gave him LeMond's number the night before Greg was to be sworn in for the arbitration.

Really hard not to link the two. Who benefits most by Greg not appearing or by otherwise being intimidated? Hint: not sure that Will tested positive. Moreover, these guys weren't just buds, but who worked for who? Did Floyd work for Will?

... on the snipped part, one cannot assign that to Floyd. But, were someone prone to depression the circumstances might have been unsettling. That subject, however, has long been out of bounds here and elsewhere.

As for your last bit, I trust that this was cynical.

Heck, why are we worried about Greg and Indurain anyways? Didn't the Pope accept a bicycle from Miguel? Heck, the Papistry is tainted.

Dave.

 

[the delgados]

God, you're so easily played. Landis is just repeating you opinions back at you to get approval. It's the most basic political tool in the book.

I've never claimed to be the brightest log on the yuletide fire, but you haven't explained how I've been played. I'm admittedly confused.
Are you suggesting my opinions are wrong? If so, please explain.

 

[Parker]

but you haven't explained how I've been played. I'm admittedly confused.

Landis just reads twitter and says it back to you. Admittedly he may not read yours so he's not directly playing you - just indirectly. Find me any thought that he has that differs from Digger Forum's twitter. He's playing a crowd. And they are making him the hero and the likes of LeMond villains.

 

[zlev11]

Yea, normally, jilted fanboys are just shrill and whiny, but Parker just showed they can be completely disgusting POS too.

i really don't know why people continue to respond to him anymore. he's the biggest troll going here and he isn't even good at it.

 

[the sceptic]

i really don't know why people continue to respond to him anymore. he's the biggest troll going here and he isn't even good at it.

I think hes pretty entertaining in a train wreck kind of way.

but yes, not sure why anyone would take him seriously.

 

[zlev11]

I think hes pretty entertaining in a train wreck kind of way.

i thought so myself at first, but now he's actually ruining the forum for me.

 

[the delgados]

Landis just reads twitter and says it back to you. Admittedly he may not read yours so he's not directly playing you - just indirectly. Find me any thought that he has that differs from Digger Forum's twitter. He's playing a crowd. And they are making him the hero and the likes of LeMond villains.

I apologize if you think I've been trying to portray Lemond as a villain. That was definitely not my intention. Doping in sports barely registers on my radar when it comes to describing villains.
also, Lemond was screwed over by Armstrong, and I totally understand the animosity Lemond feels toward Armstrong. My point being is i don't think Lemond's right by hiding behind the anti-doping cloak when fighting Armstrong. Lemond knows more than anyone when it comes to doping. Even if he never touched the stuff, he knows full well that everyone around him was doped to the gills.
So it seems a bit hypocritical to go after Armstrong for doping when he knows full well that his competitors were shooting up mid-race.

 

[86TDFWinner]

I've never understood how so many justifiably jaded followers of cycling think Lemond is the only cyclist in history who won the tour clean. The notion defies credulity.
I'm not saying he doped, because I don't know.

LMFAO...You're not saying he doped, but you're saying he doped? Too funny.

"I'm not saying he doped", but then this goody beforehand:"I've never understood how so many justifiably jaded followers of cycling think Lemond is the only cyclist in history who won the tour clean. The notion defies credulity."

What "credulity" would that be that you're taking about, please explain? This has been done over and over again, yet there are still some out there who refuse to believe or comprehend it, and say this solely to try to deflect anything off their man Wonderboy.

But it just seems amazing to me that he's the only one who did it without any form of enhancement.

Has Hinault been busted for it? There is such a thing as a clean rider, yes, it does seem hard to believe, but before Wonderboy, there was.

Landis' comments are bang on, drunk or not. I've always had the impression that others have based their careers on getting their comeuppance on someone who is clearly not a nice person.

Who is "clearly not as nice person"? LeMond? Please explain. We all know Wonderboy/Floyd/Contadoper and a many others aren't "nice people" for the simple fact they cheated others.

If you're talking about Floyd or Wonderboy, not being a "nice person", then what you've said fits both.

 

[86TDFWinner]

Yes, it really just takes on disgusting excuse for a human to do it. You didn't just LINK them, you placed blame. That makes you a special kind of scum.

LMAO.......10 Chars Chewie

 

[mewmewmew13]

i thought so myself at first, but now he's actually ruining the forum for me.

one of those immature posters that think they're clever and the forum revolves around their wit?
..and they ruin the forum

 

[zlev11]

edit: nevermind

 

[mewmewmew13]

i guess you're referring to me? whatever, i said neither of those things. this guy has derailed about half of the threads on the first page of the forum with his trolling and the responses to it, but i guess i'm the immature one for making two whole posts about it.

No I was not at all referring to you. sorry.

I came in without reading ten pages back.. maybe I sounded a bit confusing

 

[zlev11]

ah, ok, no problem

 

[thehog]

i really don't know why people continue to respond to him anymore. he's the biggest troll going here and he isn't even good at it.

I like Parker. He's like an angry Walsh on steroids. He's actaully has become so absurd in his love for Sky that he I think he might actually believe Froome is clean. I think Parker is searching for a cure for Badzhilla. It's truly awesome.

Then again Parker might just be Collage from the Lance days. He used to post here as well.

 

[the delgados]

86 TDF
With all due respect, we have been through this before, and i'm not going to bother getting into a back and forth with you.
This I will say (repeat):
I do not know that Lemond doped. Just like I don't know that any cyclist dopes.
I am not a friend or ally of Armstrong. I never have been, nor do I think I ever will.
The reference to someone who is clearly not a nice person was to Armstrong.
I'm sorry I keep ****ing you off, but it's really not my intention. I'm just here to shoot the **** and voice my opinion.
Here's something to make you feel better: Greg Lemond was the greatest cyclist ever. He never touched a doping product ever, despite the fact that everyone around him was taking anything they could get their hands on to gain an upper hand. Greg Lemond was probably the best athlete ever to walk the earth.
The end.

 

[blackcat]

I've never understood how so many justifiably jaded followers of cycling think Lemond is the only cyclist in history who won the tour clean. The notion defies credulity.
I'm not saying he doped, because I don't know. But it just seems amazing to me that he's the only one who did it without any form of enhancement.
Landis' comments are bang on, drunk or not. I've always had the impression that others have based their careers on getting their comeuppance on someone who is clearly not a nice person.
Am i the only one who thinks JV's "clean cycling project" was motivated in part to expose Armstrong?

I would like to know when he was running TIAA Cref, did he pitch Doug Ellis, because this is my intuition. JV said Ellis was the white knight with a bag of Wall Street money who came to fund his project.

I just thought JV wanted to run his own team, a cleaner version of cycling, and make some money with a decent gig, not megabucks, but a comfortable income to raise a family in Boulder.

If JV was doing it only for money, he is stupid. And if JV is one thing, he aint stupid. JV's hours wince he brought TIAA Cref online, would be the crazy stupid adaptive hours, he could have gone back to a liberal arts school while raising a family, then gone to a headline Bschool, then made a mint on WS. He waint doing it for money. He aint doing it to get back at Armstrong.

Remember he was looking to partner with Bruyneel Armstrong CSE and Verbruggen in setting up alternate cycling tour or buying the Amaury sports and TDF. have I conflated two different contexts here? I may well have. someone be my beeyitch and google it

 

[rhubroma]

Greg got burned commercially when he was anti-dope. He has learned from his mistakes.

A couple of things have started to become glaring. When Lemond's career was over, he claimed it was because of the hunting accident, when Armstrong became the boss, doping.

Now that Armstrong has been taken down, the sport is on the right track and cleaner. Froome is a phenomenon, but we don't like to talk about Contador, while Indurain was one of the greatest.

It is clear that Lemond is a pengulum and is quite inconsistent in his assessments and in placing blame or praise. Worse, it now seems that doping is only to be fought, where the doper appears threatening to his legacy.

Everyone has their motives when it comes to business and very rarely, where vested interests are concerned, is one free from a conflict of interests; however, Greg would now do well to measure his comments, steer clear of playing the anti-doping guru, because his current modus operandi is backfiring.

And don't get me wrong, back in his day, Greg was an inspiration, while Armstrong's demise was extremely satisfying, because of how he treated everyone. It's just a shame, because pathetic, to see someone who had been treated so badly, now play the fool's part.

 

[Digger]

A couple of things have started to become glaring. When Lemond's career was over, he claimed it was because of the hunting accident, when Armstrong became the boss, doping.

Now that Armstrong has been taken down, the sport is on the right track and cleaner. Froome is a phenomenon, but we don't like to talk about Contador, while Indurain was one of the greatest.

It is clear that Lemond is a pengulum and is quite inconsistent in his assessments and in placing blame or praise. Worse, it now seems that doping is only to be fought, where the doper appears threatening to his legacy.

Everyone has their motives when it comes to business and very rarely, where vested interests are concerned, is one free from a conflict of interests; however, Greg would now do well to measure his comments, steer clear of playing the anti-doping guru, because his current modus operandi is backfiring.

And don't get me wrong, back in his day, Greg was an inspiration, while Armstrong's demise was extremely satisfying, because of how he treated everyone. It's just a shame, because pathetic, to see someone who had been treated so badly, now play the fool's part.

I agree with a lot of this. Lance was a bully. And I said it again on twitter earlier this week that he still doesn't seem to 'get' it. Lifetime ban for him I don't care. But I do care about the ridiculous suspensions elsewhere and this has somehow been construed as me being a lance fan...been blocked by him about ten times! But as time has gone on I see the faults of the other side so much. Travis is a joke. Justin Gatlin being one small example...Travis went on a world tour lecturing us all for months. Google Travis and exum. Travis in other cases broke rules, guidelines, chain of custody, paperwork gone missing and then invented...Horner even if he was banned this minute, it's still two years too late by usada. And as for the mess that is and was Garmin, Ryder and jv...them apparently being told initially there would be zero month bans. Then George being allowed to ride the tour before his ban, which wasn't a ban at all as he'd been retired.
But back to Greg, he's a disgrace. When kimmage's rough ride came out, I didn't see Greg say this sounds true. When Greg retired he blamed his health. Later on he blamed epo. He tells Kimmage that guys like fignon and Kelly are amongst the greats...they both doped. He said Pantani is a great. Doped. Said Evans was clean. Doped. Said Oleg was good for cycling. Told riders to dope. Sits in the back of a car stroking his ego with Miguel who we all know doped and was one of the biggest beneficiaries of epo, he was the prototype of epo benefits...muscular frame adding to the drug's effectiveness. It makes no sense for Greg to blame epo on certain things, for him retiring early, but then laud these same guys. Greg interjected himself into landis' case. Had zero reason, only as a way of getting to lance. Him asking Floyd to come clean and volunteering this phone call, the contents of which the Feds later established never happened, was clearly a way to get to lance because they rode together.
There was a time I readily accept when I admired the crowd who went against lance. But as time has gone on, my views have changed. Not my views on lance that much, my argument re: lance now is I've no issue banning him for life, I don't care, but set against the others, it's a joke.
Frankie. 2005 sca case. That testimony. I only found out fairly recently what he said. People don't seem au fait with it.
Again there are people who have gotten this name as being anti doping, but history has shown them to say not a word about anyone other than lance.

In 2008 Greg said cycling was on a slow death march. This Week he said these years were evidence of much improvement because of Evans. That's rent a quote playing to the audience right there.

 

[MarkvW]

LeMond was a great champion. He's also an idiot sometimes. On the other hand, Floyd didn't do ANYTHING in pro cycling (except cheat and lie his *** off), then turn around and bite the cheating hand that fed him.

Floyd is only in this for the money. For him the big money payoff is in exposing the dirty underbelly of the "sport." LeMond wants to see the sport grow again, because that's where his monetary payoff lies. I don't see LeMond as dishonest. I just see him as invariably taking the most optimistic view of the sport (like he did in the early Lance days when many suspected doping).

On the other hand, I love to see pro cycling get trashed, and Floyd's quote was priceless.

 

[darwin553]

LeMond was a great champion. He's also an idiot sometimes. On the other hand, Floyd didn't do ANYTHING in pro cycling (except cheat and lie his *** off), then turn around and bite the cheating hand that fed him.

Floyd is only in this for the money. For him the big money payoff is in exposing the dirty underbelly of the "sport." LeMond wants to see the sport grow again, because that's where his monetary payoff lies. I don't see LeMond as dishonest. I just see him as invariably taking the most optimistic view of the sport (like he did in the early Lance days when many suspected doping).

On the other hand, I love to see pro cycling get trashed, and Floyd's quote was priceless.

Which is interesting given he was brought up in a Mennonite family and community.