Lemond - Trek lawsuit

[Dr. Maserati]

Her lawyers took the position that the doping line of questioning had nothing to do with lawsuit and Lemond's reasoning for her deposition. They could have asked her the about the size and details of Lance's penis at that point and it would have been as relevant and appropriate.

Her lawyers will obviously argue that (nb, her lawyer is Tim Herman, who is Lances lawyer!)

This simply goes back to why did Trek not push the Lemond brand - and what influence LA had on that.
If LA doped - who does more damage to the Trek brand?

 

[python]

^ your post did not answer any of my concerns. any one has a better than the above scribe's anatomy analysis.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Her lawyers took the position that the doping line of questioning had nothing to do with lawsuit and Lemond's reasoning for her deposition. They could have asked her the about the size and details of Lance's penis at that point and it would have been as relevant and appropriate.

Her lawyers will obviously argue that (nb, her lawyer is Tim Herman, who is Lances lawyer!)

This simply goes back to why did Trek not push the Lemond brand - and what influence LA had on that.
If LA doped - who does more damage to the Trek brand?

The reason she is a key figure in the case is that she was at the restaurant when Lance is said to have talked about getting Trek to curtail their relationship with Lemond.

 

[python]

Her lawyers took the position that the doping line of questioning had nothing to do with lawsuit and Lemond's reasoning for her deposition. They could have asked her the about the size and details of Lance's penis at that point and it would have been as relevant and appropriate.

why is this about a sexual anatomy?

 

[scribe]

Her lawyers will obviously argue that (nb, her lawyer is Tim Herman, who is Lances lawyer!)

This simply goes back to why did Trek not push the Lemond brand - and what influence LA had on that.
If LA doped - who does more damage to the Trek brand?

The reason she is a key figure in the case is that she was at the restaurant when Lance is said to have talked about getting Trek to curtail their relationship with Lemond.

Uh. I say again.... Lance doping has nothing to do with the case. It's just a squirrely attempt by lemond to make some damage himself.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Uh. I say again.... Lance doping has nothing to do with the case. It's just a squirrely attempt by lemond to make some damage himself.

Ask yourself the question.....What has the case to do with?

Why did Trek not push the Lemond brand?

 

[python]

unfortunately another potentially interesting thread with multiple opportunities to learn something new degenerated into another pissing match.

 

[scribe]

Ask yourself the question.....What has the case to do with?

Why did Trek not push the Lemond brand?

lemond's name used to be a great brand until lance's rise to prominance. For right or wrong in terms of business, trek choose to focus on only one. If I was running trek, I would have tried to sell off the rights to lemond brand or at least just give it back to Greg.

Now, in terms of conspiracy? Lance could tell trek they are wasting their time with lemond. Nothing wrong with that. It happens all the time in business.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

lemond's name used to be a great brand for trek until lance's rise to prominance. For right or wrong in terms of business, trek choose to focus on only one. If I was running trek, I would have tried to sell off the rights to lemond brand or at least just give it back to Greg.

Now, in terms of conspiracy? Lance could tell trek they are wasting their time with lemond. Nothing wrong with that. It happens all the time in business.

That is an interesting take - but it is wrong. Lemond could have still made a nice return on the Lemond line with Trek.

Things turned sour when he made these comments:
“If Lance is clean, then it is the greatest comeback in the history of sports. If he isn’t, it would be the greatest fraud.”

Lance called Greg and threatened him, John Burke CEO of Trek called to ask him to retract the statement and "implied in graphic terms that Mr. Armstrong would financially harm Mr. LeMond.”

Lemond issued a letter to USA Today- drafted by an attorney and LA's attorney Bill Stapleton - withdrawing the remarks.

 

[Race Radio]

Uh. I say again.... Lance doping has nothing to do with the case. It's just a squirrely attempt by lemond to make some damage himself.

You can say it as many times as you like and it will still be wrong.

Trek tried to justify their actions by saying that Lemond's questioning of Lance's doping was unwarranted and damaging their brand. If Lemond can show that Lance was indeed a doper, that Lemond's statements had merit, then Trek's case is weaken even further.

Herman did what he does best, he objected, deflected, and covered up the actions of his doper client.

 

[blackcat]

Greg has balls, plural.

 

[Race Radio]

lemond's name used to be a great brand until lance's rise to prominance. For right or wrong in terms of business, trek choose to focus on only one. If I was running trek, I would have tried to sell off the rights to lemond brand or at least just give it back to Greg.

Now, in terms of conspiracy? Lance could tell trek they are wasting their time with lemond. Nothing wrong with that. It happens all the time in business.

"Choose to focus on one" is what the case is all about. If Greg has a contract with Trek and they "Choose" not to fulfill it because they do not want to upset Armstrong this is wrong. The fact that Lance stated to a dinner table full of people that he was going to get on the phone with Burke and figure out how to screw Greg only enhances Greg's case. Trek choose to not fulfill the agreement with Lemond in order to placate the childish whiner Armstrong.

 

[blackcat]

Trek was their MSM offer. They had Klein and Lemond as their niche boutique offerings. You always get your doctors, lawyers, and investment banker and stockbroker types, wanting a new bike every three years, so there is room to have a few offers for the non-MSM purchase.

Trek does volume. But less market share in that boutique offer space. They made a fair whack of dough from the Lemond marque. Then they scrap it.

 

[350Watts]

"Choose to focus on one" is what the case is all about. If Greg has a contract with Trek and they "Choose" not to fulfill it because they do not want to upset Armstrong this is wrong. The fact that Lance stated to a dinner table full of people that he was going to get on the phone with Burke and figure out how to screw Greg only enhances Greg's case. Trek choose to not fulfill the agreement with Lemond in order to placate the childish whiner Armstrong.

People pushing their own agendas within a company is the norm and is at least partially how companies grow. Most large corporations give their tacit approval to these actions but when it potentially impacts the bottom line/stock price then actions is taken. Don't live in a bubble, Lemond was looking out for himself as is always the case.

 

[350Watts]

Trek was their MSM offer. They had Klein and Lemond as their niche boutique offerings. You always get your doctors, lawyers, and investment banker and stockbroker types, wanting a new bike every three years, so there is room to have a few offers for the non-MSM purchase.

Trek does volume. But less market share in that boutique offer space. They made a fair whack of dough from the Lemond marque. Then they scrap it.

I never really saw Lemond as a boutique bike brand, certainly not in the class of Serotta, Colnago or many others. Maybe its just the market that I grew up in.

 

[Race Radio]

People pushing their own agendas within a company is the norm and is at least partially how companies grow. Most large corporations give their tacit approval to these actions but when it potentially impacts the bottom line/stock price then actions is taken. Don't live in a bubble, Lemond was looking out for himself as is always the case.

Hence the reason for contracts. The fact remains that Trek screwed Lemond in order to make Armstrong happy. If you were Greg would you just take it or fight? What if Lemond bike's sales would have been 20% higher if Trek had done their job, that is an additional $1,000,000 to Greg....is that worth fighting for? Add in the fact the Armstrong hired a PR firm called Public Strategies to slime Greg and even the laziest among us would be motivated to fight.

 

[flicker]

Greg

#1 Greg is jelous of Lance
#2 Greg is money hungry
#3 Greg would have won 5 tours or more if he had not been shot by his brother in law.
#4 Greg claims he lost out on more/tours/races if not for the competitors doping.
#5 Greg is not a bike designer although he pioneered clipless pedals and aero bars.
#5 I don't know how many litigations Greg has initiated.
#6 Le Mond bikes are special in that they have Le Monds name on them period.
#7 Greg needs more attention.

I don't know why Greg can not start a junior/u23 team and womens cycling team. I hope he can get on a more positive track in his life.

The end result of all the litigation is pain, bankruptcy and cancer.

 

[Race Radio]

#1 Greg is jelous of Lance
#2 Greg is money hungry
#3 Greg would have won 5 tours or more if he had not been shot by his brother in law.
#4 Greg claims he lost out on more/tours/races if not for the competitors doping.
#5 Greg is not a bike designer although he pioneered clipless pedals and aero bars.
#5 I don't know how many litigations Greg has initiated.
#6 Le Mond bikes are special in that they have Le Monds name on them period.
#7 Greg needs more attention.

I don't know why Greg can not start a junior/u23 team and womens cycling team. I hope he can get on a more positive track in his life.

The end result of all the litigation is pain, bankruptcy and cancer.

The fact is Lemond bikes were always the most advanced in Trek's line, Armstrong is FAR more litigious then Greg, and Greg sponsored numerous teams.

The fanboys are always so quick to defend their doper hero and slime anyone who questions the myth. If it was you getting screwed by Trek would you just sit by and let them do it?

 

[350Watts]

Hence the reason for contracts. The fact remains that Trek screwed Lemond in order to make Armstrong happy. If you were Greg would you just take it or fight? What if Lemond bike's sales would have been 20% higher if Trek had done their job, that is an additional $1,000,000 to Greg....is that worth fighting for? Add in the fact the Armstrong hired a PR firm called Public Strategies to slime Greg and even the laziest among us would be motivated to fight.

I'll answer your questions up front then go into my diatribe.

If I were Greg would I fight? Not sure, Greg is usually a much better business man that this but once he let his emotions control his business judgment he was in trouble and compromised his position, after that tactical error sometimes retreat is the better option.

If Greg had done his job sales maybe would have been 20% higher. I would have been in France garnering support and cashing in favors and my own celebrity to promote the line if I were him, he did not. Greg did very little to promote his own line and entered into deals that were contrary to his contract with Trek. Trek did put effort into the Triomphe, what did Greg do besides complain?

Sure Trek has dealt severely with Lemond, things like this play out daily in the corporate world and for stakes much higher than this. Usually it is dealt with behind closed doors and away from the public view. Don't forget that Lemond is the one who via his complaint tried to severe ties, he thought that threatening Trek with exposing Armstrong would get them to capitulate to his terms, he was very wrong.

Lemond did not have to get in bed with Trek, once you do that you give up your autonomy and have to acquiesce to the greater good of the controlling company. Trek has to, in some part, answer to its distributors and Greg was not helping in promoting the sales of his own line or Treks. Why was Lemond unsuccessful in building and selling his bikes on his own or with other partners? My take is that he is hugely selfish and difficult to do business with, not the best qualities in a business partner. Lemond always has been a self-centered whiner and always will be, its just who he is much like Armstrong is a narcissist.

For the record Lemond is one who got me into cycling, I have and enjoyed his book and think that he is one of the greatest talents ever in cycling, but I've never like his whining.

 

[350Watts]

The fact is Lemond bikes were always the most advanced in Trek's line, Armstrong is FAR more litigious then Greg, and Greg sponsored numerous teams.

The fanboys are always so quick to defend their doper hero and slime anyone who questions the myth. If it was you getting screwed by Trek would you just sit by and let them do it?

How do you reconcile the bold above with the argument that Trek did not help advance his line?

I agree that Lance is more litigious than Greg but not by a whole lot. Target, Yellowstone Club and Trek recently. If Lemond had the reach of Armstrong there would be many more.

 

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[Race Radio]

How do you reconcile the bold above with the argument that Trek did not help advance his line?

I agree that Lance is more litigious than Greg but not by a whole lot. Target, Yellowstone Club and Trek recently. If Lemond had the reach of Armstrong there would be many more.

Mike Anderson
David Walsh
Jeff Spencer
All of his neighbors in Austin
Frankie Andreu
Emma O'Reilly
SCA
Times of London
Pierre Ballester
Filippo Simeoni

Just a small selection of Armstrong legal battles.

 

[350Watts]

#1 Greg is jelous of Lance
#2 Greg is money hungry
#3 Greg would have won 5 tours or more if he had not been shot by his brother in law.
#4 Greg claims he lost out on more/tours/races if not for the competitors doping.
#5 Greg is not a bike designer although he pioneered clipless pedals and aero bars.
#5 I don't know how many litigations Greg has initiated.
#6 Le Mond bikes are special in that they have Le Monds name on them period.
#7 Greg needs more attention.

I don't know why Greg can not start a junior/u23 team and womens cycling team. I hope he can get on a more positive track in his life.

The end result of all the litigation is pain, bankruptcy and cancer.

1. No
2. Yes, always has been nothing wrong with that as long as it is done ethically.
3. He probably would have, no one should doubt his talent, it was extraordinary.
4. He probably lost out on the chance for 2 or 3 surely you don't doubt this?
5. This is like saying Tiger Woods is not a golf course designer just because he is a professional golfer, some of the best designers have come from within a particular sport.
5, again. Many and he has been right on some.
6. Lemond has always had nice bikes, the steel ones were beauties.
7. Who doesn't

 

[350Watts]

Mike Anderson
David Walsh
Jeff Spencer
All of his neighbors in Austin
Frankie Andreu
Emma O'Reilly
SCA
Times of London
Pierre Ballester
Filippo Simeoni

Just a small selection of Armstrong legal battles.

And your point? For their sphere of influences it seems about even. The more famous, richer, etc. the greater your chance of landing in court.

 

[Race Radio]

I'll answer your questions up front then go into my diatribe.

If I were Greg would I fight? Not sure, Greg is usually a much better business man that this but once he let his emotions control his business judgment he was in trouble and compromised his position, after that tactical error sometimes retreat is the better option.

If Greg had done his job sales maybe would have been 20% higher. I would have been in France garnering support and cashing in favors and my own celebrity to promote the line if I were him, he did not. Greg did very little to promote his own line and entered into deals that were contrary to his contract with Trek. Trek did put effort into the Triomphe, what did Greg do besides complain?

Sure Trek has dealt severely with Lemond, things like this play out daily in the corporate world and for stakes much higher than this. Usually it is dealt with behind closed doors and away from the public view. Don't forget that Lemond is the one who via his complaint tried to severe ties, he thought that threatening Trek with exposing Armstrong would get them to capitulate to his terms, he was very wrong.

Lemond did not have to get in bed with Trek, once you do that you give up your autonomy and have to acquiesce to the greater good of the controlling company. Trek has to, in some part, answer to its distributors and Greg was not helping in promoting the sales of his own line or Treks. Why was Lemond unsuccessful in building and selling his bikes on his own or with other partners? My take is that he is hugely selfish and difficult to do business with, not the best qualities in a business partner. Lemond always has been a self-centered whiner and always will be, its just who he is much like Armstrong is a narcissist.

For the record Lemond is one who got me into cycling, I have and enjoyed his book and think that he is one of the greatest talents ever in cycling, but I've never like his whining.

It is clear that you do not understand licensing agreements and have confused quantity of words with quality.

Part of the lawsuit Greg introduced Trek to multiple companies in Europe that wanted to sell Lemond bikes, to make Armstrong happy Trek did nothing. You clearly were not at any of the Interbikes and Eurobikes where Greg was a consent presence.

What exactly has Lemond said that damaged Trek? Who on this forum did not question Armstrong when it became public that he had been working with Ferrari for 6 years? Would you prefer that he stick by the Omerta and not say anything?

You are correct about the tactical error, but in this case it was Trek that made the error.....now they are disparate to get out of the case that is a sure loser for them.