Lemond - Trek lawsuit

[Race Radio]

Some of the groupies question why they are referred to as retards.

Armstrong has a press conference in Las Vegas to announce his "any time, any where" 'Complete Transparency" Catlin approved anti doping program. Prior to the press conference Greg asks if he can attend and Lance's press guy says yes, even saves him a seat in the front row. Greg asks very legit questions about tracking power and using it, like Garmin and Columbia have been for several yeas, as an indicator of doping. The groupies try to paint Greg as a nut for asking legit questions.....while they completely ignore that the Catlin program that Armstrong announced at the press conference was a complete lie.

The same thing happens in the Tour. Contador's VAM numbers are questioned endlessly by journalist, people on this forum, Antoine Vayer, even Armstrong himself. Armstrong spends the entire race behaving like a child and taking every chance he can to criticize Contador.....yet Lemond is the nut because he asks the same questions everyone in the sport is asking?

I think we can all agree that this duplicity is ***.

 

[Race Radio]

I have to wonder if his PR people infiltrate and post regularly on discussion boards.

They have in the past, but I think that we can all agree that the resident group of groupies do more harm then good when trying to defend their hero.

 

[Sprocket01]

Only the conclusion that anyone with more than two functioning brain cells would naturally draw when they found out Armstrong was working with Dr. Ferrari.

Not at that time, no. He was widely known as a great coach with legendary number crutching capabilities (that were famously deployed against Pantani during a mountain stage in the Tour). He was not automatically known as the doping doctor back then. LeMond saying he was "disapointed" was a negative statement. If Trek hadn't stepped in then he doubtless would have said much more that would ruin Trek's, Armstrong's and LeMond's earning potential.

The guy was on a suicide mission.

 

[flicker]

Bottom line

In my opinion Greg thinks this way. Please tell me if I am dillussional.

(I)Greg wins tours.

Lance wins tours. However Lance also cheats.

We both work for TREK.

(I) Greg therefore shall work with David W. and whomever and attack my buddy Floyd and Pistolero expose Lance and bring Kristie into it and a couple of ex Lance teamates and show the world what scumbags they are.

Thus (I) Greg deserve a 12 million dollar settlement from TREK I have proven that they are wrong and I am right. The End (of the beginning)

 

[Sprocket01]

Greg asks if he can attend and Lance's press guy says yes, even saves him a seat in the front row. Greg asks very legit questions about tracking power and using it, like Garmin and Columbia have been for several yeas, as an indicator of doping.

Well you've got to admit that he did come across as a bit of a nut, heckling Armstrong from the front row and trying to highjack the press conference. I thought Armstrong dealt with it with grace.

As for what he said, he seemed to be saying something about measuring VO2 capacity before and after a tour. I'm surprised this has been used by Garmin because they are often accused of doping by some. It's certainly an interesting theory...

 

[Sprocket01]

For once we agree.

So I'm not paid then?

 

[Race Radio]

Only the conclusion that anyone with more than two functioning brain cells would naturally draw when they found out Armstrong was working with Dr. Ferrari. If Armstrong did not want people to conclude that he was a doper then he should have done what Virenque was smart enough to do and refuse to work with cycling's most famous dope doctor.

As Virenque said

“teaming up with Ferrari was like putting a saucepan up your backside: it was immediately obvious what you were doing.”

This is why Armstrong hid his work with Ferrari for 5 years. Ferrari is a Hematologist, not a coach. His specialty is blood, not training.

A person would have to be *** to not question Armstrong's involvement with Ferrari. Considering that Ferrari was on trial for running an illegal pharmacy it makes it even more obvious to all but most intellectuality impaired. The fact that Ferrari is currently banned from coaching in Italy and any Pro who uses him risks suspension only reinforces the fact that you go to Ferrari for dope, not training advice.

 

[Race Radio]

In my opinion Greg thinks this way. Please tell me if I am dillussional.

You are delusional

 

[BikeCentric]

Not at that time, no. He was widely known as a great coach with legendary number crutching capabilities (that were famously deployed against Pantani during a mountain stage in the Tour). He was not automatically known as the doping doctor back then. LeMond saying he was "disapointed" was a negative statement. If Trek hadn't stepped in then he doubtless would have said much more that would ruin Trek's, Armstrong's and LeMond's earning potential.

The guy was on a suicide mission.

Uh, Ferrari had already made his infamous "EPO is no more harmful than orange juice" comment long before that time.

 

[Digger]

Not at that time, no. He was widely known as a great coach with legendary number crutching capabilities (that were famously deployed against Pantani during a mountain stage in the Tour). He was not automatically known as the doping doctor back then. LeMond saying he was "disapointed" was a negative statement. If Trek hadn't stepped in then he doubtless would have said much more that would ruin Trek's, Armstrong's and LeMond's earning potential.

The guy was on a suicide mission.

Yes he was. He more or less admitted to doping the Gewiss team in 1994. Everyone, including Virenque knew he doped his riders. If there was no problem, why did Lance keep this relationship secret for five years....

 

[BikeCentric]

So I'm not paid then?

I'm sure you're paid a minimum wage by someone.

 

[Digger]

Well you've got to admit that he did come across as a bit of a nut, heckling Armstrong from the front row and trying to highjack the press conference. I thought Armstrong dealt with it with grace.

As for what he said, he seemed to be saying something about measuring VO2 capacity before and after a tour. I'm surprised this has been used by Garmin because they are often accused of doping by some. It's certainly an interesting theory...

lies.....if that's the case, every journalist who has ever attended a press conference also heckles, because all Lemond did was ask a question.

 

[BikeCentric]

This forum has become a soap opera called "As the Sprocket Turns."

 

[Race Radio]

Uh, Ferrari had already made his infamous "EPO is no more harmful than orange juice" comment long before that time.

correct. Ferrari was good for one thing, dope.

It is sad that some base their ethics on what brings the most money into their pockets. It was brave for Greg to question the issues the sport is having with dope, others chose to ignore the issue as long as they earned money from the myth.....I think we can all agree who here is morally and ethically correct, Greg.

 

[Digger]

In my opinion Greg thinks this way. Please tell me if I am dillussional.

(I)Greg wins tours.

Lance wins tours. However Lance also cheats.

We both work for TREK.

(I) Greg therefore shall work with David W. and whomever and attack my buddy Floyd and Pistolero expose Lance and bring Kristie into it and a couple of ex Lance teamates and show the world what scumbags they are.

Thus (I) Greg deserve a 12 million dollar settlement from TREK I have proven that they are wrong and I am right. The End (of the beginning)

Are you trying to say that Lemond cheated?

 

[Digger]

Some posters criticise Greg for only questioning American cyclists...
Others then criticise him for questioning Contador, because apparently it had nothing to do with him.
So, when a journalist rings Lemond and asks him for his opinion, he should keep his mouth shut. Omerta at its finest.......

 

[Sprocket01]

You're sort of making a different point there, Race. At the time Ferrari was not known as a doping doctor outside of the sport, and indeed given that most of the doctors inside the sport also dabbled in this area, he would not be particularly unusual inside the sport either. The point is LeMond's public disappointment, which acted as a smear that could seriously harm Trek, Armstrong and LeMond. This doubtless would have continued at the time if Trek had not intevened.

This is why Armstrong hid his work with Ferrari for 5 years. Ferrari is a Hematologist, not a coach. His specialty is blood, not training.

This is not actually true, of course. Everyone who has ever worked with Ferrari has said he is an excellent coach - even his critics accept his knowledge of the sport is second to none. He famously was phoned by Bruyneel during a stage to ask him to calculate whether he thought Pantani would blow up. He did the numbers and said he would, and he was correct. He was one of the great coaches when it came to the issue of how long to stay out full power. He invented the currect calculation formula that most people use.

 

[Sprocket01]

lies.....if that's the case, every journalist who has ever attended a press conference also heckles, because all Lemond did was ask a question.

He was doing more of a speech then a question, and refused to stop talking for a bit. It wasn't his finest hour.

 

[Sprocket01]

correct. Ferrari was good for one thing, dope.

You have to ask, if the case against Armstrong is so clear cut, why is it necessary for the likes of RaceRadio to lie about Ferrari.

Think about it. They could get dope from many sources, so clearly dope wasn't the main reason they saw Ferrari.

 

[Digger]

You have to ask, if the case against Armstrong is so clear cut, why is it necessary for the likes of RaceRadio to lie about Ferrari.

Think about it. They could get dope from many sources, so clearly dope wasn't the main reason they saw Ferrari.

So did you also question Fuentes and OP? You think Jan is also clean, he got banned for working with Fuentes. Is Fuentes also not a doping doctor, if indeed Jan could;ve got dope off others?

 

[Digger]

He was doing more of a speech then a question, and refused to stop talking for a bit. It wasn't his finest hour.

What part of his 'speech' did you disagree with?

 

[Digger]

You're sort of making a different point there, Race. At the time Ferrari was not known as a doping doctor outside of the sport, and indeed given that most of the doctors inside the sport also dabbled in this area, he would not be particularly unusual inside the sport either. The point is LeMond's public disappointment, which acted as a smear that could seriously harm Trek, Armstrong and LeMond. This doubtless would have continued at the time if Trek had not intevened.



This is not actually true, of course. Everyone who has ever worked with Ferrari has said he is an excellent coach - even his critics accept his knowledge of the sport is second to none. He famously was phoned by Bruyneel during a stage to ask him to calculate whether he thought Pantani would blow up. He did the numbers and said he would, and he was correct. He was one of the great coaches when it came to the issue of how long to stay out full power. He invented the currect calculation formula that most people use.

Everyone? Name the people who say this...and I'll also list the people he has doped.

 

[flicker]

digger

Yes he won the Pacific Grove Criterium senior 1 in the 70s. He was a junior and was using gears above the limit for juniors. He was dqed. I do not know if gear limitations for juniors are still in effect.

I also heard a nasty rumor about Greg which I shall not repeat as I can not substantiate and do not want to start problems.

The answer is Greg was an awesome rider, as a junior he was so smoking good I knew he was going to Europe to win the tour worlds etc.

Sad thing is he and Lance have a lot in common and I hate to see the snarling backbiting,so sad. When I see him attack Lance and Contador it makes me cry. The princess soap opera with Flandis was straight up Tanya Harding.

 

[ggusta]

I have to wonder if his PR people infiltrate and post regularly on discussion boards.

I am seriously trying to find out who or how I can get in touch with Lance's PR people, because 10.2% unemployment is a real scary thing, and I wright reel good, and if they can spread a little of that awareness/image coin my way, I will take the talking points and run with it.

Please send private message.

 

[Race Radio]

Everyone? Name the people who say this...and I'll also list the people he has doped.

Nobody says that Ferrari was anything but a doping doctor. He was one of the best, hence Armstrong's reason for the exclusivity agreement. What Ferrari provides is clearly not available on the local pharmacy shelves.