Lemond - Trek lawsuit

[Dr. Maserati]

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And didn't see you speaking out against people using my mental health as a debating point, so you're a hypocrite on that, Doctor.

Why should I - it was an observation by another poster, which you did not deny.
I have nothing against people with mental health issues.

 

[Sprocket01]

Why should I - it was an observation by another poster, which you did not deny.
I have nothing against people with mental health issues.

It was an adhominen attack.

 

[Kennf1]

Well I'll come clean and say I'm 29. Not that young, but not that old.

I have noticed most of Armstrong's critics are 40 plus. I do wonder if this has something to do with it.

I think you'll find it has more to do with how long they have followed the sport. The majority of current Lance fans didn't know the sport existed before him, and have never raced. I'm assuming you fit into that category?

 

[Sprocket01]

I think you'll find it has more to do with how long they have followed the sport. The majority of current Lance fans didn't know the sport existed before him, and have never raced. I'm assuming you fit into that category?

I watched the 1998 ToF debacle every night on channel 4 highlights after I did a late working shift. No Armstrong in that.

 

[pmcg76]

I sent a letter to ProCycling magazine early this year which they publised(cannot remember the issue but you would recognise the name) I was complaining about the amount of coverage they were giving Lance and how all cycling media were trying to peddle the myth that cycling was split by Lances return in an effort to include as much of Lance as possible to attract the preripheral fans, My argument was cycling was not split and that your average cycling fan was annoyed at Lances return whilst it was mostly the media, bike manufactures etc and preripheral US or Lance fans who were happy to see him back and they were just trying to increase sales.

This idea has been re-inforced time after time on this forum, I dont think there has been a single Lance supporter who has hung around since the start, those that do(e.g. Oldnell, Speedway) sporadically contribute to Lance threads only and that is usually to snipe at others for attacking Lance. That is not what I consider your average cycling fan.

 

[elapid]

I'm just going to join in quickly here and then have a beer with Scribe and wait for this to get back on topic.

Sprocket, there is a difference between cycling fans and Lance fans. The vast majority of people in Australia and California and the additional people at the Giro and the TdF were Lance fans, not cycling fans. They have no idea about professional cycling. Wouldn't have a clue. Many of my friends and workmates are in this category. They will disappear as soon as Lance retires.

Sprocket, you claim that this forum is a bubble. But do you notice that there is you and perhaps one to two other posters that are pro-Lance and multitudes of other posters that range from ambivalent to anti-Lance? How can this be a bubble when the weight of evidence and opinion is so clearly against you? Maybe you work on Wall Street or GM because they didn't seem to realize when the bubble was going to burst either.

 

[bianchigirl]

I wonder how much PS pay? You're defnitely due a productivity bonus, sprocket.

 

[Race Radio]

I'm just going to join in quickly here and then have a beer with Scribe and wait for this to get back on topic.

Sprocket, there is a difference between cycling fans and Lance fans. The vast majority of people in Australia and California and the additional people at the Giro and the TdF were Lance fans, not cycling fans. They have no idea about professional cycling. Wouldn't have a clue. Many of my friends and workmates are in this category. They will disappear as soon as Lance retires.

Sprocket, you claim that this forum is a bubble. But do you notice that there is you and perhaps one to two other posters that are pro-Lance and multitudes of other posters that range from ambivalent to anti-Lance? How can this be a bubble when the weight of evidence and opinion is so clearly against you? Maybe you work on Wall Street or GM because they didn't seem to realize when the bubble was going to burst either.

Now that Sprocket01 has come clean about his mental health issues I think we can all agree that he is not working on Wall Street. Almost makes one feel sorry for him, but one post later and that pity disappears.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I'm just going to join in quickly here and then have a beer with Scribe and wait for this to get back on topic.

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Where are you guys going for a beer???? The Cafe? Babes on Bikes??- I bought some Guinness weeks ago - (bottles, not the same - so I need little excuse for clearing the fridge!)

 

[workingclasshero]

all the flash mobs that turn out to support him wherever he goes.

oh aye sprocket and his crew of muppets

I contend that Armstrong is more popular now than when he was winning Tours every year, when he was seen as alooth and arrogant.

did you not follow the tour this summer? where armstrong really didn't come across in a good light no matter how much you fancy his arsé

You're a tiny group of obsessive people though. Most cycling fans hate your relentless negativity and mean-spiritedness and don't bother coming to the clinic. This is just a bubble for like minded people. You don't represent most cycling fans at all. Just speak to your average regular cyclist out there.

tiny group of obsessive people. unlike what you mean is a huge group of obsessive people who are on the other side of the fence? like you, how many posts have you made on here defending your idol? should add up to a couple of thousand or more

 

[fatandfast]

If you have a huge belly and never ride a bike but watch the tour you are a fan. If you have an opinion of Lance from why he is god to the devil, you are a fan, If you look at a 20 year old cycling magazine that fell out of a plane while sitting in your hut in the jungle you are a fan. Shaved legs or Chubaca style leg fur you are a fan. All this true and false fan crap because you like one cyclist more than the rest is dumb. There is a photo of some small,slow guy in a Lampre kit that looks like it belongs to a small child, he might not look like it but he is a true fan. Everybody hates somebody in the bunch and we all have a favorite or 2, no matter what there are so few cycling fans of any kind the sport can hardly stand a true and false designations.

 

[Oldman]

What do you mean?

I've been gone a few hours and somebody's been really busy. Everyone must know the answer to my question. You all have too much time on your hands to keep this up!

 

[peloton]

He will be unpopular one day.

He already is.

Here is a good read, Sprocket01 might be the priest of this church
http://cozybeehive.blogspot.com/2009/07/church-of-lance-armstrong.html

 

[L29205]

He already is.

Here is a good read, Sprocket01 might be the priest of this church
http://cozybeehive.blogspot.com/2009/07/church-of-lance-armstrong.html

great read
I think both sides of the debate should take note of this quote from the link

"In other words, if Jesus Christ and the Bible can be debated in a sound manner as is happening in many educated circles today, why not Lance Armstrong?"

 

[BikeCentric]

great read
I think both sides of the debate should take note of this quote from the link

"In other words, if Jesus Christ and the Bible can be debated in a sound manner as is happening in many educated circles today, why not Lance Armstrong?"

Because you love cancer and hate excellence and are bitter of Armstrong's achievements because you have accomplished NOTHING in life yourself!

(obvious disclaimer: I am kidding)

 

[red_flanders]

If you have a huge belly and never ride a bike but watch the tour you are a fan. If you have an opinion of Lance from why he is god to the devil, you are a fan, If you look at a 20 year old cycling magazine that fell out of a plane while sitting in your hut in the jungle you are a fan. Shaved legs or Chubaca style leg fur you are a fan. All this true and false fan crap because you like one cyclist more than the rest is dumb. There is a photo of some small,slow guy in a Lampre kit that looks like it belongs to a small child, he might not look like it but he is a true fan. Everybody hates somebody in the bunch and we all have a favorite or 2, no matter what there are so few cycling fans of any kind the sport can hardly stand a true and false designations.

I very much agree, except for the bold. I have not seen anyone espouse this.

There are fans of the sport in general--people who watch a variety of races and root for a variety of teams and riders. There are fans who root only for one rider, whether it be Voigt, Contador, whomever. There are also fans of cycling in general who are fans of Armstrong--they watch a variety of races, and root for their rider.

There are also fans of Armstrong who honestly have no interest in the sport if Armstrong is not involved. Count my wife among them. I regard those folks as casual fans or Armstrong fans. To suggest that this is not the case would be wrong.

To say that those fans have the same to offer the sport as the others may certainly be a point of difference between you and I.

 

[L29205]

Because you love cancer and hate excellence and are bitter of Armstrong's achievements because you have accomplished NOTHING in life yourself!

(obvious disclaimer: I am kidding)

What I find pathetic in the whole LA Love or Hate thing is that it has become so polarizing that we have to state when we are being sarcastic on a reply.

 

[Ferminal]

One of the better features of this forum is the ignore list.

Just click here and enter in the username of a poster who adds nothing to the forum.
http://forum.cyclingnews.com/profile.php?do=ignorelist

The good thing is instead of another rambling, nonsensical post you get this simple message.

Sprocket01
This message is hidden because Sprocket01 is on your ignore list.

Starving the troll is the best way to deal with it.

I've finally had enough too, he's made over 20% of the posts in this thread and all it does is make discussions completely degenerate. At least I know where I see heaps of ignored posts not to bother reading the thread. A person with a valid point would only need to post a few times in a thread and the point would carry to the readers. Quantity doesn't improve the quality of your argument but it certainly reduces the quality of the thread.

 

[Polish]

All this true and false fan crap because you like one cyclist more than the rest is dumb.

So true! And I think the best fans are the ones that HATE one side/team/guy and LOVE their own side/team/guy. Hard-core SF Giant Fans HATE the LA Dodgers, and the hard-core Dodger fan hates the Giants lol.

When I tell the casual Lance fan about doping and how it is part of the sport of cycling and how Lance has doped - the say stuff like "huh, you don't say - I thought is was a French Conspiracy". I laugh and tell them no way, France is where cycle-doping was invented! Then I give them the line about what a tough sport cycling is blah blah blah...not like the dopers in swimming track or baseball. "yah, That lance is one tough doper...hey marge guess what"
No big deal to the casual fan.

 

[Ferminal]

Thanks for the link to the Lemond questions Doc/RR, very interesting.

Is what Greg says scientifically accurate?

BTW 5:50 was quite funny!

 

[Sprocket01]

I've finally had enough too, he's made over 20% of the posts in this thread and all it does is make discussions completely degenerate. At least I know where I see heaps of ignored posts not to bother reading the thread. A person with a valid point would only need to post a few times in a thread and the point would carry to the readers. Quantity doesn't improve the quality of your argument but it certainly reduces the quality of the thread.

Well you may have noticed that I am very much in the minority on this subject so one could argue extra posts from me are needed to even up the content. But when we do get into it on a thread like this I make sure this doesn't happen on any other current thread so people can have a Sprocket free zone if they want - I'm not posting on any other thread in the clinic right now, you see.

Btw RR refers to posts of mine that nobody has quoted so he obviously doesn't have me on ignore. He's cheeky like that.

 

[Sprocket01]

I wonder how much PS pay? You're defnitely due a productivity bonus, sprocket.

I did a whole weights workout during the discussion earlier so yes it was indeed productive. I wish someone was paying me!

 

[Not Riding Enough]

Lemond has lot to admire. But taping Stephanie was not his finest moment. Not grubby like Landis and Geoghagen, but pretty disappointing.

Very true. Especially as I seem to recall he even told her he wasn't taping her.

Perhaps I'm also disappointed in myself for still listening to the whole thing but I couldn't help it.

 

[BroDeal]

I've finally had enough too, he's made over 20% of the posts in this thread and all it does is make discussions completely degenerate. At least I know where I see heaps of ignored posts not to bother reading the thread. A person with a valid point would only need to post a few times in a thread and the point would carry to the readers. Quantity doesn't improve the quality of your argument but it certainly reduces the quality of the thread.

You are right. Seventy-two posts by one moron in the same thread, completely destroying the ability to discuss the thread's original subject.

Well you may have noticed that I am very much in the minority on this subject so one could argue extra posts from me are needed to even up the content. But when we do get into it on a thread like this I make sure this doesn't happen on any other current thread so people can have a Sprocket free zone if they want - I'm not posting on any other thread in the clinic right now, you see.

That is your defense? You have to spam the thread to make up for the fact that no one else supports your idiocy? Oh and it's alright because you make sure you only spam one thread at a time; or, more accurately, you make sure you only spam the threads that discuss Armstrong.

 

[Sprocket01]

That is your defense? You have to spam the thread to make up for the fact that no one else supports your idiocy?

Read the thread, I haven't spammed it at all. What tends to happen is I get a lot of replies and get asked a lot of questions, so I answer these. This spamming and trolling nonsense is just the last refuge for those that haven't been able to make a credible point themselves. There is far more gibberish from other people in this thread than from me. Lets be fair and admit this. Indeed I would have been given a warning for many of the posts on this thread.