Lemond - Trek lawsuit

[Susan Westemeyer]

One more word from anyone about trolls and and they will get a warning.

GET BACK ON TOPIC. NOW.

Susan

 

[Sprocket01]

Re: popularity.

Lance Armstrong ignites USA Cycling growth
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/lance-armstrong-ignites-usa-cycling-growth

 

[bianchigirl]

Wow, a massive 5.62% increase!!!! That's enormous! US cyclists will soon be flooding the roads of France and laying all waste before them!

Great that more people are getting on bikes - and in a variety of disciplines - but notice also that there was a 2% drop off when Armstrong wasn't riding. You can't really posit the growth of a sport on one man whose followers abandon it when he does. That's not very sound business sense

 

[filipo]

Re: popularity.

Lance Armstrong ignites USA Cycling growth
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/lance-armstrong-ignites-usa-cycling-growth

Re: accuracy. USAC admits they have no proof, but "common sense" argues that it's all Lance's doing.

Cos they're scientific like that.

 

[Eva Maria]

Bad day in Court for Trek today. Look for this to be settled soon.

More to come..........

 

[Polish]

Bad day in Court for Trek today. Look for this to be settled soon.

More to come..........

Crap Eva, I sure hope you are wrong about this "ending soon"

I was hoping this SAGA would last for MONTHS with a JUICY CourtRoom Trail!

Say it "aint so" pleeeeease...

 

[Sprocket01]

For clarity Eva Maria is RaceRadio's sockpuppet.

He and his pal thehog get nearly every bit of information they hear wrong, so needless to say one should take their vague tit bits of news with a pinch of salt.

Though it would be good if LeMond could get his cash soon and not have to go around all Armstrong's relatives and friends before this happens.

 

[Kennf1]

Bad day in Court for Trek today. Look for this to be settled soon.

More to come..........

Are you in Minnesota? I haven't heard any reports on how the hearing went.

 

[Polish]

For clarity Eva Maria is RaceRadio's sockpuppet.

He and his pal thehog get nearly every bit of information they hear wrong, so needless to say one should take their vague tit bits of news with a pinch of salt.

Though it would be good if LeMond could get his cash soon and not have to go around all Armstrong's relatives and friends before this happens.

Thanks sprocket, I should have guessed as much!
(Wonder why he named his puppet "eva" instead of "fun puppies".)

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Thanks sprocket, I should have guessed as much!
(Wonder why he named his puppet "eva" instead of "fun puppies".)

Polish - the reason why Race Radio changed their original name was because they kept getting portrayed as a girl (even getting hit on!).
So unlike some other poster - they did announce publicly who they were and that they were changing their name.

As for the Trek news - it will be interesting to hear the details.

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

Do none of you read my posts telling you to behave?

It has been suggested that I simply close this thread, but I don't want to the trolls to win......

LAST CHANCE TO CLEAN UP YOUR ACTS!

Susan

 

[Hugh Januss]

Thanks sprocket, I should have guessed as much!
(Wonder why he named his puppet "eva" instead of "fun puppies".)

For clarity, RR changed his user name when sprocket (in one of his previous troll incarnations) kept calling him "she" even after he had identified himself as in fact a "he". Eva Maria is Bruyneel's wifes name. He made no secret at all of the fact that he has both so the sockpuppet term is simply more of sprocket's wild flight of fancy that he wants to draw us all into.
BTW sprocket it's tidbit not tit bit. Guess you edited an even more glaring error huh?

Sorry Susan, I did not see your last post before posting this. I do maintain however that it is virtually impossible to converse with a troll without occasionally acknowledging him as such.

 

[Kennf1]

Trying to keep this thread on track is almost pointless, despite the "ignore" function.

I'd be interested to hear how the hearing went, but regardless of how it went, the real news will be the written order issued by the judge. That may take a few weeks. Don't know anything about the judge so it's impossible to guess. Looking through the various documents on the court's docket sheet, it appears no more discovery will take place, so the decision on the summary judgment will be the last real issue before the March trial date. Still amazed Armstrong was never deposed, but then again, maybe they decided the potential backlash from Public Strategies media outlets wasn't worth it: "Cancer fighter Lance Armstrong has to cancel fund raising event for harassing deposition."

How different this would all be if Lance had kept riding his Litespeed.

 

[Polish]

Cruel and Unusual Punishment

Bad day in Court for Trek today

TREK will be forced to build some LEMOND branded bikes - then have to try to sell them?

Yikes.
.
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[ggusta]

lawsuit progress

Someone said trek had a bad day at court today. I have not been able to find any reports on the net. Is there any link to how it goes?

If not, you are all free to go about with whatever is going on here, but it does not appear to be on topic any longer.

 

[Race Radio]

Posted from my BB, haven't done that for a long time and it was logged in as Eva Maria. Now I am sure to get plenty of friend request from people who think I am a chick.

You will be able to read all of the judges comments shortly. He is a judge, paid to review both sides of the case. We should not be surprised if his view of the case is very similar to the more rational people on this forum.

Surely we can all agree that it is obvious that Greg was screwed by Trek. It is also clear that Greg's questioning of Armstrong's involvement with a doping doctor is legit. Trek ignoring it and threatening anyone who questions the relationships is not.

 

[ggusta]

Posted from my BB, haven't done that for a long time and it was logged in as Eva Maria. Now I am sure to get plenty of friend request from people who think I am a chick.

Please ignore that friend request I sent you from Cycling Butch asking for a meetup.

I will also delete your acceptance of said request.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

I'll ask The Hog to call off the cleaners from paying you a visit.

 

[ChrisE]

Surely we can all agree that it is obvious that Greg was screwed by Trek. It is also clear that Greg's questioning of Armstrong's involvement with a doping doctor is legit. Trek ignoring it and threatening anyone who questions the relationships is not.

RR, I can't seem to recall but did Lemond ever publicly (in print) criticize LA after the 2001 incident, which he retracted?

 

[flicker]

People please,

I would really like to hear about this case. If you all need to discuss other things, cool, but would you please discuss elseware. Thanks Fred Taylor

 

[Race Radio]

RR, I can't seem to recall but did Lemond ever publicly (in print) criticize LA after the 2001 incident, which he retracted?

There has not been much, mostly media spin by PR firms trying hard to portray Greg in as bad light as possible. It appears to work as you see many posters on this thread talk about Greg constantly attacking Armstrong, yet are unable to find a quote to support it..

In 2006 Greg said

"Armstrong threatened my wife, my business, my life."

There are witnesses to Armstrong doing this so it should not be a surprise.

As much as Armstrong wants to distance himself as much as possible from this mess he is a central figure. Trek screwed Greg because Greg did what everyone other fan of the sport did, question Armstrong's doping.

If you want to learn more about the Lemond compliant you can read an early version here

http://docs.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/minnesota/mndce/0:2008cv01010/97295/106/0.pdf

 

[British Pro Cycling]

Sprocket here, I just got off the stock exchange floor so I'm using my Black Berry...

I thought the point was Trek imposed a contract on LeMond that said he could not attack Armstrong directly, which LeMond reluctantly signed onto but is now disputing? That was part of it? If the contract didn't exist then, LeMond says, he would be even more unpopular in America today. Presumably this means he was going to speak out big time against Armstrong.

Actually I agree with the others that it would be interesting to know more of the mechanics of the legal case. The problem is nobody really knows enough about the details of what Trek did behind the scenes to stop selling LeMond's bikes, so naturally the thread focused on the moral aspect of the case, and Trek's business case, but not the legal case.

Now on the moral case, I of course believe LeMond is using this case to further his agenda against Armstrong and I think that's wrong - in reality LeMond has made a lot of money out of Armstrong so whatever Trek did or did not do, the whole premise of the case seems unnecessary.
However, this is strongly in dispute from most of the rest of you guys who think LeMond is morally in the right to use the legal system to further his agendas.

But as for the business case for Trek, this is much more clear cut. Clearly one can see it was very much in Trek's interest not to have LeMond attacking Armstrong. But, of course, a business case it not necessarily a legal case - what is in the interests of Trek may well be against the law, so I have never questioned or disputed the fact LeMond may have a legal case here. I've never argued against that. I have no idea. So yes, go nuts talking about the technical legal case from now on....

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Sprocket here, I ....

Maybe you should read legal papers on the case.

You will clearly find that it was Armstrong who threatened Lemond - and that it was Armstrong who said he would call John Burke CEO of Trek to try and quieten Lemond. When Lemond realised that Trek were not holding up to there end of the agreement he took them to court - which is the proper place for these disputes to be heard.

If Armstrong has no role in this case I am confident the legal system will throw out any reference to LA by Lemond.

 

[Race Radio]

Maybe you should read legal papers on the case.

You will clearly find that it was Armstrong who threatened Lemond - and that it was Armstrong who said he would call John Burke CEO of Trek to try and quieten Lemond. When Lemond realised that Trek were not holding up to there end of the agreement he took them to court - which is the proper place for these disputes to be heard.

If Armstrong has no role in this case I am confident the legal system will throw out any reference to LA by Lemond.

The legal system did not toss out LA's role, in fact it enhanced it.
As far as Greg making money from Armstrong, Lemond bike sales were flat from 99 onward.

A rational person would think that if Lemond was in fact committed to bring Armstrong down that there would actually be more then a couple weak quotes. Rational people have to wonder how much of this supposed obsession was the invention of a PR firm as it appears to have no basis in reality.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

The legal system did not toss out LA's role, in fact it enhanced it.
As far as Greg making money from Armstrong, Lemond bike sales were flat from 99 onward.

A rational person would think that if Lemond was in fact committed to bring Armstrong down that there would actually be more then a couple weak quotes. Rational people have to wonder how much of this supposed obsession was the invention of a PR firm as it appears to have no basis in reality.

Do you mean Lance isn't above the law?