Lemond/Trek new thread

[BroDeal]

Nor are they related - in fact, Public Strategies existed long before CSE or it's predecessor CSV came along.

Mark McKinnon, the politcal guru at Public Strategies, is a member of the LAF board of directors. Sounds related to me.

 

[eleven]

Mark McKinnon, the politcal guru at Public Strategies, is a member of the LAF board of directors. Sounds related to me.

So, because a political guru at one organization sits on the board of a nonprofit managed in part by another organization they....

share office space?

OK.

Is PS "related" to all of the firms who help run nonprofits upon whose board any of its staff reside

 

[Hugh Januss]

So, because a political guru at one organization sits on the board of a nonprofit managed in part by another organization they....

share office space?

OK.

Is PS "related" to all of the firms who help run nonprofits upon whose board any of its staff reside

Yup, sounds related to me, Mr. Loophole.

 

[eleven]

Yup, sounds related to me, Mr. Loophole.

So every company is "Related" to every nonprofit management firm upon which that company's staff sit?

This is an interesting stretch of the term "related".

 

[Race Radio]

That's not "sharing office space". In fact, they are separated by several floors.

Nor are they related - in fact, Public Strategies existed long before CSE or it's predecessor CSV came along.

Got it Just a coincidence that they are in the same building.

Kind like after Ferrari was convicted of being a doping doctor and Armstrong issued a press release saying that he and the team were severing ties it was just a coincidence that he happed to stay in the hotel around the corner from Armstrong's house in Girona for much of the month before the Tour. Just a coincidence that both of them were staying at an isolated Parador up at altitude in the Canaries.

Just a coincidence....kind of like it was just a "coincidence" that after Armstrong threaten Greg saying he would find "10 people who will say your took EPO" that many of his former teammates received phone calls from people connected to Armstrong asking if they had evidence that Greg doped. When they all said no I am sure it was just a "Coincidence" that some were offer substantial sums to change their story. None took the bribe.

Certainly just a coincidence. Just like how shortly after Armstrong told a table of people he was going to make one call to Burke and sink Greg.... shortly after that claim this is exactly what happened.

Maybe it is a coincidence like how there were suddenly multiple news articles with the same "Greg is nuts" talking points after Greg made some comments expressing his surprise and disappointment that Armstrong was using Ferrari. Surly this was just a coincidence.

They are in the same building. Mark McKinnon, their Vice Chairman, has been active in developing the Armstrong myth. He also worked on the Trek/Lemond lawsuit. McKinnon even did one of the first "Interviews" with Armstrong when he returned to the sport. He is the primary force behind the possible Senate run.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

They are, indeed, different suites.

On different floors. And not PS's main office.

And they share no staff.

And one was created nearly a decade before the other.

You are correct that Public Strategies Inc. has offices in several US cities, in fact
Bill Mashek works in Public Strategies Washington office.

Turns out Bill was Treks spokesman when Trek did the presentationto their employees and dealers when they announced they were severing ties with Lemond.

Sales of Trek's LeMond bikes totaled about $15 million last year, company spokesman Bill Mashek said Tuesday. Sales were about $9.5 million in 1999 and have not grown as strongly as those of other racing cycles, he said.

Small world!

 

[Race Radio]

You are correct that Public Strategies Inc. has offices in several US cities, in fact
Bill Mashek works in Public Strategies Washington office.

Turns out Bill was Treks spokesman when Trek did the presentationto their employees and dealers when they announced they were severing ties with Lemond.

Sales of Trek's LeMond bikes totaled about $15 million last year, company spokesman Bill Mashek said Tuesday. Sales were about $9.5 million in 1999 and have not grown as strongly as those of other racing cycles, he said.

Small world!

Thats just a coincidence.

 

[eleven]

You are correct that Public Strategies Inc. has offices in several US cities, in fact
Bill Mashek works in Public Strategies Washington office.

Turns out Bill was Treks spokesman when Trek did the presentationto their employees and dealers when they announced they were severing ties with Lemond.

Sales of Trek's LeMond bikes totaled about $15 million last year, company spokesman Bill Mashek said Tuesday. Sales were about $9.5 million in 1999 and have not grown as strongly as those of other racing cycles, he said.

Small world!

I'm not sure what point you might be attempting to make, but Trek does not own CSE and this does nothing to support any claim that CSE and PS share office space.

 

[eleven]

Got it Just a coincidence that they are in the same building.

Kind like after Ferrari was convicted of being a doping doctor and Armstrong issued a press release saying that he and the team were severing ties it was just a coincidence that he happed to stay in the hotel around the corner from Armstrong's house in Girona for much of the month before the Tour. Just a coincidence that both of them were staying at an isolated Parador up at altitude in the Canaries.

You seem to have me confused with someone who believes Armstrong has done no wrong.

 

[BroDeal]

I'm not sure what point you might be attempting to make, but Trek does not own CSE and this does nothing to support any claim that CSE and PS share office space.

Oh, snap! You keep digging the hole deeper.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I'm not sure what point you might be attempting to make, but Trek does not own CSE and this does nothing to support any claim that CSE and PS share office space.

I never made any claim that Trek own CSE.

As for what point I am trying to make - well the thread is called Lemond/Trek so I thought it might be pertinent to show a direct link between Trek and Public Strategies rather then wondering how long it takes to run between their respective offices.

 

[Polish]

I'm curious as to what you think Betsy Andreu ever did that you compare her to Hannibal Lecter. Do you believe BPC's idiot theory that she should have lied on the witness stand to protect King Lance? Would she get an invite if she was a perjurer? Or do you think she was wrong to be pi$$ed off at her husband when she found out that he was on the EPO train?
You seem to say about 1 smart thing for every 3 dumb things, but your average is dropping on this thread. I didn't actually notice anywhere that Betsy called you stupid, but I guess I am off the invitation list now as well.

Hugh, c'mon, Dr Lecter is an Imaginary Character and I felt elizab would be
intelligent enough to know I was just teasing...

And I guess elizab did not call ME stupid, just my ANALOGY

My analogy was that Greg's comments were like a husband
who says his wife's badonkadonk looks BIG in a certain dress
- and then after suffering backlash the husband tries to sue the dress maker.

And then thinking IF he can actually PROVE his wife has a
BIG badonkadonk somehow things will be better.

Yes, it was a stupid analogy so I suppose Frankie Poster can leave the can...
(although the ladies liked him in there wink wink)

 

[flicker]

Greggie Boy

Do you have an example of this "belligerent attitude"? It sounds more like a PR invention then anything based on fact.

I think challanging Floyd in court is belligerent. same with all gregs court cases. I especially do not like Greg suing his Dad, challanging Contador at the Tour Challanging Lance at Lances' coming out of retirement press conference.

I like Greg and I approve of what he says and how he stands out for transperancy Anyone on the outside of cycling might think of him as a nutcase.

The way he goes about things are going to drive away sponsors, fans,etc.

Check out how Specialized ran away from Quick Step. 3 violators Boonen,Le Fevierre, Pozatto. bad, bad and bad.

 

[BikeCentric]

I'm not sure what point you might be attempting to make, but Trek does not own CSE and this does nothing to support any claim that CSE and PS share office space.

I'm not sure what point you might be attempting to make, but monkeys did NOT just fly out of my **** and this does nothing to support any claim you are making.

Look, I can make up silly straw-man statements that have nothing to do with anything as well as you can!

 

[Race Radio]

Hugh, c'mon, Dr Lecter is an Imaginary Character and I felt elizab would be
intelligent enough to know I was just teasing...

And I guess elizab did not call ME stupid, just my ANALOGY

My analogy was that Greg's comments were like a husband
who says his wife's badonkadonk looks BIG in a certain dress
- and then after suffering backlash the husband tries to sue the dress maker.

And then thinking IF he can actually PROVE his wife has a
BIG badonkadonk somehow things will be better.

Yes, it was a stupid analogy so I suppose Frankie Poster can leave the can...
(although the ladies liked him in there wink wink)

For some saying the "wife's badonkadonk looks BIG in a certain dress" is a compliment.

 

[Race Radio]

Thanks for proving my point. The reality is nothing close to the PR spin

I think challanging Floyd in court is belligerent.

Floyd inferred to Greg that he doped, as he has with many people. Greg talked with Floyd about how he was molested as a kid and how not confronting it ate away at him. He said the "Big Lie" eats at you and Floyd should come clean. Floyd said he could not as it would hurt too many people.

When Floyd found out that Greg had told a few people about their conversation he started threaten him that he would expose his molestation in order to keep him quite. He first went on a cycling message board, much like this one, and wrote that if Greg would not shut he was going to tell the world what he knows. This intimidation continued at trial where Floyd's best friend called Greg on his cell pretending to be his molester.

I think we can all agree that it was Floyd who was Belligerent, not Greg.

Challanging Lance at Lances' coming out of retirement press conference.
.

Wrong again. This was not Lance's out of retirement press conference. It was the announcement of Armstrong's internal dope testing program. Prior to the press conference Greg asked lance's PR person if he could ask some questions. They reserved a seat for Greg in front and Greg ask a very legitimate question about if they were going to use output for their testing like Garmin and Columbia do. The question was legit and Armstrong knew it, but he reacted like Greg was a crazed nutjob who had just walked into the hall....very smart PR move by Armstrong as everyone remembers the PR spin by Armstrong but few remember that that Catlin program he was there to announce NEVER EXISTED and was all a lie.

 

[flicker]

Check out how Specialized ran away from Quick Step. 3 violators Boonen,Le Fevierre, Pozatto. bad, bad and bad.

Hey Greg knew what was going to happen to Floyd. Floyd dumb and dumb.

Lance is smart and psycho. Greg knows what will happen when he goes to court against Lance.

Greg wants to get back at Lance and Trek. Its gonna get ugly. There will be blood. No country for old men.

Greg wins, cycling loses,end of story. I don't give a darn about Lances' ego but I hate to see cycling lose.

Check that top line I wrote, Specialized dumped Quick Step. Guess why?
Muusew, Boonen, Pozzato ,Le Fevirre. Cheaters all.

After Greg wins Trek runs from PRO cycling, Just watch.

 

[Race Radio]

Check out how Specialized ran away from Quick Step. 3 violators Boonen,Le Fevierre, Pozatto. bad, bad and bad.

Hey Greg knew what was going to happen to Floyd. Floyd dumb and dumb.

Lance is smart and psycho. Greg knows what will happen when he goes to court against Lance.

Greg wants to get back at Lance and Trek. Its gonna get ugly. There will be blood. No country for old men.

Greg wins, cycling loses,end of story. I don't give a darn about Lances' ego but I hate to see cycling lose.

Check that top line I wrote, Specialized dumped Quick Step. Guess why?
Muusew, Boonen, Pozzato ,Le Fevirre. Cheaters all.

After Greg wins Trek runs from PRO cycling, Just watch.

I mean this in the nicest possible way......did you forget to take your meds today as you are making less sense then usual?

 

[flicker]

Like I said if Trek loses we will be watching cycling on abandoned military bases and at the dumps. There are 2 stars in US cycling TdF winners LeMond and Armstrong. After the donkeys they are going to make each other look like Treks going by by. No more OLN coverage.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Check out how Specialized ran away from Quick Step. 3 violators Boonen,Le Fevierre, Pozatto. bad, bad and bad.

Hey Greg knew what was going to happen to Floyd. Floyd dumb and dumb.

Lance is smart and psycho. Greg knows what will happen when he goes to court against Lance.

Greg wants to get back at Lance and Trek. Its gonna get ugly. There will be blood. No country for old men.

Greg wins, cycling loses,end of story. I don't give a darn about Lances' ego but I hate to see cycling lose.

Check that top line I wrote, Specialized dumped Quick Step. Guess why?
Muusew, Boonen, Pozzato ,Le Fevirre. Cheaters all.

After Greg wins Trek runs from PRO cycling, Just watch.

Ok - you realise that Specialized are the new bike for the Astana team - with Vino & AC?

And why do you believe cycling would lose if Lance is exposed?
Sure a few people who support LA & not cycling might be lost - I'll still ride whoever gets caught. But there is a good chance we might lose some diehards in the UCI - ironically that could be the best thing for cycling.

 

[thehog]

Thanks for the link.

The piece I found most interesting was that the allegation that Lemond had breached his contract by selling bikes was dismissed. IIRC John Burke or LA called Lemond a 'thief' at the time.

So this case if it goes to trial will hinge on whether Lemonds comments were hurtful to his brand.
Would this not hinge on the fact of if the comments are true or not?

Unfortunatley, I don't see this going to trial - Trek/LA will have too much to lose by having LA appear in court, I expect Greg to be made an offer he can't refuse.

Now I've completed reading the court notes it could be argued that LeMond in fact aided his sales by the anti-doping stance. Why should someone be persecuted for his beliefs. It also could be argued that Lance himself & Trek by association said they were clean. Therefore it could be suggested LeMond not only assisted his sales but Trek's through his anti-doping ethic. This is a tough battle for Trek to win. What? We didn't like LeMond because he had sound ethics and spoke up against those in company who didn't.

Try telling that to a judge in a climate of greedy bankers who sacked those who spoke against sub-prime commentators.

 

[eleven]

I never made any claim that Trek own CSE.

As for what point I am trying to make - well the thread is called Lemond/Trek so I thought it might be pertinent to show a direct link between Trek and Public Strategies rather then wondering how long it takes to run between their respective offices.

Then why drag a third party in CSE into it? CSE is not Trek, so attempting to show a direct link between Trek and PS does not involve CSE.

Your attempt is liking playing the corporate version of the Kevin Bacon game while also making stuff up about the alleged associations.

 

[thehog]

I just so wish Greg would sponsor a womens team a junior team and a U/23 team.
I just don't understand why he is on such a negative bent.
Please Greg rest on your Lauarl's and not others foibles.

Huh? LeMond has sponsered several teams, sat on the board of charties & organised cyclo-sportives all in the USA.

What's your point.

Stupid fool.

 

[eleven]

Huh? LeMond has sponsered several teams, sat on the board of charties & organised cyclo-sportives all in the USA.

What's your point.

Stupid fool.

LeMond has done a lot of great things for cycling and he was the best of the best in his day, winning a TDF with less than half of his team's support. He has been a genuine and vocal asset to the sport, especially in the US.

Unfortunately, his bouts of generosity and clear-headed thinking have been clouded by bouts of finding himself exiled other professional cyclists in part from his own doing (and in part, I suspect, for breaking a code of silence. But he was never much of a well-liked rider for whatever reason)

 

[flicker]

Ethics

Specialized.....goes to Astana. Why not Contador best rider in the world right now. He will win 3 tours more...minimum. Even if he has little support in the tour from Astana he still has a hella lot of killer climber Spainish brothers in the tour. Vino served his time and says the testers were mistaken. Vino is a popular rider. Mueseuw and Boonen and Pozatto are awesome when they are juiced. Gotta run from them.

If LeMond exposes Lance and can prove it it will gut the American side of cycling. I wish Greg realized this.