Lemond/Trek new thread

[Big Doopie]

I just so wish Greg would sponsor a womens team a junior team and a U/23 team.
I just don't understand why he is on such a negative bent.

i believe hampsten explained why in his letter.

neither he nor lemond can encourage young cyclists into the professional world in good conscience -- knowing what they know.

it is one of the reasons lemond is fighting for a clean(er) peloton.

it is interesting to note the fear of many fans (including myself) after mcquaid signaled he wanted uci to have sole control over anti-doping in the next tour.

lemond has been calling for a complete independent organization to oversee the anti-doping tests for years. makes sense doesn't?

in fact, if you can wade through all the bs provided by public strategies over the years, one notes that lemond has not only been truthful, but right on every salient point regarding doping.

it reaffirms belatedly my trust in humanity that in the last couple of years there has been an absolute sea change in opinion in forums such as these.

 

[Polish]

My shop is in Zakopane where the foehn wind blows

So Polish, where exactly is your bike shop?

Cripes, I would sooner invite Hannibal Lecter over for a private dinner party than tell YOU where I live - you scare me yikes!

I will say that the autographed poster of Mr Betsy has been relegated to the shop bathroom until you apologise for calling me stupid

 

[flicker]

LeMond

in fact, if you can wade through all the bs provided by public strategies over the years, one notes that lemond has not only been truthful, but right on every salient point regarding doping.

I do not doubt Greg believes in what he is saying about doping and the individuals he has exposed.

However if he had a handler who could mute his belligerent attitude I would jump on Gregs bandwagon in a New York minute.

Greg must offer something realistic and positive for the cycling fans to grasp. I feel if he sponsored Pro women junior U/23 people would stand up and say right on Greg you the man.

If he doesn't the fans who believe Greg will turn away from cycling.

Greg appears to me to be as cynical as the dopers and unscrupulous businessmen he points at and chooses to sue. Greg appears to me to get a charge out of being in that limelight.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

in fact, if you can wade through all the bs provided by public strategies over the years, one notes that lemond has not only been truthful, but right on every salient point regarding doping.

I do not doubt Greg believes in what he is saying about doping and the individuals he has exposed.

However if he had a handler who could mute his belligerent attitude I would jump on Gregs bandwagon in a New York minute.

Greg must offer something realistic and positive for the cycling fans to grasp. I feel if he sponsored Pro women junior U/23 people would stand up and say right on Greg you the man.

If he doesn't the fans who believe Greg will turn away from cycling.

Greg appears to me to be as cynical as the dopers and unscrupulous businessmen he points at and chooses to sue. Greg appears to me to get a charge out of being in that limelight.

But isn't that right there the problem with Pro Cycling?

Why sponsor an U23 team whose athletes might become successful enough to go over to Europe to be 'lab rats' for the unscrupulous DS's, Doctors and Trainers?
The problems in Pro Cycling need to be addressed first before Greg - or any other person who wants clean cycling can invest in any team.

 

[BroDeal]

There were no '99 EPO positives so reference to that hypothetical shouldn't be allowed.

It is not a hypothetical. It is a fact.

If I am a juror and Armstrong is at the center of the case, if evidence is presented that he doped and pressured Trek to torpedo Lemond's brand, and if he refuses to show up to refute the charges then I would be less willing to believe Trek's defense.

 

[elizab]

Cripes, I would sooner invite Hannibal Lecter over for a private dinner party than tell YOU where I live - you scare me yikes!

I will say that the autographed poster of Mr Betsy has been relegated to the shop bathroom until you apologise for calling me stupid

I don't care where you live. Just why hide behind the cloak of anonymity? Where are you that people are so upset with Greg being upset with doping in the sport?

By the way, where did I call you stupid? Didn't I say the analogy was stupid somewhere back? I don't read all the posts so forgive me.

And, if I may say, I'm far more interesting than Hannibal Lector.

 

[flicker]

The best

Why sponsor an U23 team whose athletes might become successful enough to go over to Europe to be 'lab rats' for the unscrupulous DS's, Doctors and Trainers?
The problems in Pro Cycling need to be addressed first before Greg - or any other person who wants clean cycling can invest in any team.

I know its scary. Greg could cultivate excellent riders and have them polluted/the status quo of European Pro Cycling.

In a lot of sports, sports doping is encouraged during high school age.

I only know that for Greg to help he must be have positive attitude and lead by example. I support that behavior 100 0/0.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Why sponsor an U23 team whose athletes might become successful enough to go over to Europe to be 'lab rats' for the unscrupulous DS's, Doctors and Trainers?
The problems in Pro Cycling need to be addressed first before Greg - or any other person who wants clean cycling can invest in any team.

I know its scary. Greg could cultivate excellent riders and have them polluted/the status quo of European Pro Cycling.

In a lot of sports, sports doping is encouraged during high school age.

I only know that for Greg to help he must be have positive attitude and lead by example. I support that behavior 100 0/0.

But again that is the problem.

Many people involved in Pro Cycling make self serving statements that either ignore the problem or willfully participate in PR by claiming cycling is the most tested sport in the world.

What is needed is people to highlight that the problem is as bad as ever and moves like the Bio-Passport have to this point failed to make any significant impact to the doping culture that prevails.

 

[Race Radio]

in fact, if you can wade through all the bs provided by public strategies over the years, one notes that lemond has not only been truthful, but right on every salient point regarding doping.

I do not doubt Greg believes in what he is saying about doping and the individuals he has exposed.

However if he had a handler who could mute his belligerent attitude I would jump on Gregs bandwagon in a New York minute.

Greg must offer something realistic and positive for the cycling fans to grasp. I feel if he sponsored Pro women junior U/23 people would stand up and say right on Greg you the man.

If he doesn't the fans who believe Greg will turn away from cycling.

Greg appears to me to be as cynical as the dopers and unscrupulous businessmen he points at and chooses to sue. Greg appears to me to get a charge out of being in that limelight.

You need to find a better reason to be upset then Greg sponsering a team. You put this in many of your posts but ignore the fact that prior to Trek screwing him Lemond sponsered Pro, Womens, and U23 teams. Even after the Trek mess he sponsered a U23 team with the Lemond Fitness brand.

Do you have an example of this "belligerent attitude"? It sounds more like a PR invention then anything based on fact.

 

[BikeCentric]

And, if I may say, I'm far more interesting than Hannibal Lector.

I agree, Frankie's a lucky man.

Big congrats to Frankie for getting the DS job at Kenda. He clearly got screwed by Toyota and it's good to have a guy like him still involved with the sport.

 

[Race Radio]

http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/wilson-sonsini-favorable-summary-judgment,1077885.shtml

“a reasonable jury could conclude from the evidence that Trek was not using its good faith ‘best efforts’ to ‘maximize sales’ of LeMond-branded bicycles”

 

[guilder]

It is not a hypothetical. It is a fact.

If I am a juror and Armstrong is at the center of the case, if evidence is presented that he doped and pressured Trek to torpedo Lemond's brand, and if he refuses to show up to refute the charges then I would be less willing to believe Trek's defense.

So if Trek were to make the point that Greg at one time shot himself in the leg and is now showing signs of instability, should that be included as evidence in the trial?

 

[Race Radio]

Yes Armstrong does say he is part of a setup - "There's a setup here and I'm stuck in the middle of it", of course there is nothing further on how a setup is supposed to have happened.

I wonder if he was referring to the Nazi frogman set up or the space alien setup?

 

[Hugh Januss]

Cripes, I would sooner invite Hannibal Lecter over for a private dinner party than tell YOU where I live - you scare me yikes!

I will say that the autographed poster of Mr Betsy has been relegated to the shop bathroom until you apologise for calling me stupid

I'm curious as to what you think Betsy Andreu ever did that you compare her to Hannibal Lecter. Do you believe BPC's idiot theory that she should have lied on the witness stand to protect King Lance? Would she get an invite if she was a perjurer? Or do you think she was wrong to be pi$$ed off at her husband when she found out that he was on the EPO train?
You seem to say about 1 smart thing for every 3 dumb things, but your average is dropping on this thread. I didn't actually notice anywhere that Betsy called you stupid, but I guess I am off the invitation list now as well.

 

[Hugh Januss]

So if Trek were to make the point that Greg at one time shot himself in the leg and is now showing signs of instability, should that be included as evidence in the trial?

If an idiot falls over in the woods, does it make any sound?

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I wonder if he was referring to the Nazi frogman set up or the space alien setup?

Noooo..... worse than the Nazi's, evil French scientists and he even knows his name!

"OK, you know, a guy in a French -- in a Parisian laboratory opens up your sample, you know, Jean-Francis so and so, and he tests it. Nobody's there to observe". Lance on Larry King.

 

[eleven]

Of course it should be no surprise to anyone that Public Strategies shares office space with CSE, Armstrong's brand (Myth) building company.

This is incorrect, as anyone with access to Google can confirm in two quick searches.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

This is incorrect, as anyone with access to Google can confirm in two quick searches.

Did two quick searches.......... and guess what!
Public Strategies Inc.
98 San Jacinto Blvd.
Suite 1200
Austin, TX 78701

Capital Sports and Entertainment.
Company Information
Capital Sports & Entertainment
98 San Jacinto Boulevard
Suite 430
Austin, Texas 78701

 

[Race Radio]

This is incorrect, as anyone with access to Google can confirm in two quick searches.

I am correct. They are both in the same building on 98 San Jacinto Boulevard, Austin, TX

Public Strategies is in suite 1200

http://www.pstrategies.com/index.php/offices/

CSE is Suite 430

http://www.planetcse.com/contact.asp

 

[eleven]

I am correct. They are both in the same building on 98 San Jacinto Boulevard, Austin, TX

Public Strategies is in suite 1200

http://www.pstrategies.com/index.php/offices/

CSE is Suite 430

http://www.planetcse.com/contact.asp

That's not "sharing office space". In fact, they are separated by several floors.

Nor are they related - in fact, Public Strategies existed long before CSE or it's predecessor CSV came along.

 

[workingclasshero]

This is incorrect, as anyone with access to Google can confirm in two quick searches.

Did two quick searches.......... and guess what!
Public Strategies Inc.
98 San Jacinto Blvd.
Suite 1200
Austin, TX 78701

Capital Sports and Entertainment.
Company Information
Capital Sports & Entertainment
98 San Jacinto Boulevard
Suite 430
Austin, Texas 78701

ouch

 

[Hugh Januss]

I am correct. They are both in the same building on 98 San Jacinto Boulevard, Austin, TX

Public Strategies is in suite 1200

http://www.pstrategies.com/index.php/offices/

CSE is Suite 430

http://www.planetcse.com/contact.asp

You guys beat me to it, but even a google moron like myself had no problem with that one.
Now he'll point out that they are different suites or that it is a coincidence or just "so what, that doesn't prove anything?"

 

[eleven]

You guys beat me to it, but even a google moron like myself had no problem with that one.
Now he'll point out that they are different suites or that it is a coincidence or just "so what, that doesn't prove anything?"

They are, indeed, different suites.

On different floors. And not PS's main office.

And they share no staff.

And one was created nearly a decade before the other.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

That's not "sharing office space". In fact, they are separated by several floors.

Nor are they related - in fact, Public Strategies existed long before CSE or it's predecessor CSV came along.

And how long does it take you to run from one office to the other?

 

[eleven]

And how long does it take you to run from one office to the other?

The building has elevators....you know, to get from one office space to another office space.

As in, not shared office space.