Lesser known races 2025 edition

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ToA, last stage:

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125km to go, on the Furkajoch now.

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Group of 4 leading with less than 1min.
 
UAE pulling, I wonder if they will try and set up Baroncini to sprint, not sure there's even anyone left to compete, Budziński still here?
A lot depends on how willing the Ineos, Jayco and EF teams are in terms of GC placements vs winning the race imo. If they race to win, I think UAE will be thinned out, maybe down to Majka and del Toro.
 
One day I'd love to know what sort of chicanery was going on with that Julius Johansen Glassdrive->UAE transfer, felt like there was a favour being repaid somewhere. Similar vibe to some of Ineos' odd moves in the past.
You have any better suggestion for a cheap flat-terrain worker who provides tons of wind shelter due to his huge frame, and who has WT experience and a cheeky little junior WC title on top of that?
 
You have any better suggestion for a cheap flat-terrain worker who provides tons of wind shelter due to his huge frame, and who has WT experience and a cheeky little junior WC title on top of that?
They don't need to get someone on the cheap though, money is no object, and his JR win was 7 years ago with nothing particularly remarkable since, nothing to suggest he should be on the best WT team in the world anyway. If you wanted someone available on the market last year to fulfil that role you could've gone with someone like Jonas Rutsch, Callum Scotson, Johan Jacobs just off the top of my head, could probably found about 20 more if I looked.

Maybe there was just nobody left and they panicked, but going straight from Sagbal to UAE at 25 after dropping down from WT is an odd career path, maybe they signed the wrong Portuguese conti rider, Moreira was on the outs after all. It just seems like there could be something else to it.
 
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One day I'd love to know what sort of chicanery was going on with that Julius Johansen Glassdrive->UAE transfer, felt like there was a favour being repaid somewhere. Similar vibe to some of Ineos' odd moves in the past.
Well Sola, aka Spanish fraud nr. 2, used to coach riders on that team when they were still called Efapel. He also only got a job at UAE because he's friends with Pogacar's masseur...
 
One day I'd love to know what sort of chicanery was going on with that Julius Johansen Glassdrive->UAE transfer, felt like there was a favour being repaid somewhere. Similar vibe to some of Ineos' odd moves in the past.

It's obviously his amazing hair.
The people at UAE want to remove all assiciations with bald frauds.





Unless he's wearing a wig. Making him the biggest bald fraud of them all.
 
One day I'd love to know what sort of chicanery was going on with that Julius Johansen Glassdrive->UAE transfer, felt like there was a favour being repaid somewhere. Similar vibe to some of Ineos' odd moves in the past.
So, they should sign 30 leaders and best prospects from each generation.
Then don't complain that UAE wins a lot of races because they sign 30 riders who have the level to be leaders.

For a rider they sign to be a domestique in lower-level races, you have to see strange things.
He's this year's Vink. A lower-level domestique for lower-level races.

Visma and BORA have several lower-level riders to complete the team. UAE barely has any. The worst riders on their team are either very young or riders like Soler, who won Paris-Nice and GT stages with their previous team. That's the worst riders they have besides Julius

For UAE, for one incapable of winning they have, it seems strange to you. But if instead of Julius, they put the best Junior capable of winning as a domestique in Abruzzo and Austria, the complaint would be because they're monopolizing all the talent to have them as domestiquesin minor races LOL.

You don't conform for anything :sweatsmile:
 
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So, they should sign 30 leaders and best prospects from each generation.
Then don't complain that UAE wins a lot of races because they sign 30 riders who have the level to be leaders.

For a rider they sign to be a domestique in lower-level races, you have to see strange things.
He's this year's Vink. A lower-level domestique for lower-level races.

Visma and BORA have several lower-level riders to complete the team. UAE barely has any. The worst riders on their team are either very young or riders like Soler, who won Paris-Nice and GT stages with their previous team. That's the worst riders they have besides Julius

For UAE, for one incapable of winning they have, it seems strange to you. But if instead of Julius, they put the best Junior capable of winning as a domestique in Abruzzo and Austria, the complaint would be because they're monopolizing all the talent to have them as domestiquesin minor races LOL.

You don't conform for anything :sweatsmile:
The oddness is not in that they signed a domestique type, it's the source and the direction of travel. He had been a fairly nondescript WT pro for a couple of years with Intermarché and while he was still young enough to feasibly be improving, not even getting a contract for 2024 and then signing mid-March for a Portuguese team (a scene which has a very bad reputation iro Clinic matters) with whom he did a fairly short calendar meant that it was a very off-the-wall pick for UAE, because lots of riders with better backgrounds and histories have ended up in that scene and not made it out, and getting results in the Portuguese scene on one of the domestic teams is often viewed with a great deal of suspicion. For the most part riders who make it out of the Portuguese domestic péloton to the top two tiers have largely only done so by getting to ProTeams, and usually relatively local ones (Caja Rural, Burgos, Delko), so jumping to not just a WT team but one of the very top WT teams is eye-catching, if just for the fact that for the role they want to utilise him for, there are numerous options that offer similar upside without the stigma or negative perception that comes from dumpster-diving a scene with a very bad reputation. I thought it was weird enough that he signed into that scene in the first place, let alone that he got out again.

The team does, however, have a sizable Portuguese presence, with four Portuguese riders (Almeida, Morgado and the two Oliveira twins), and back in the late 00s-early 10s Lampre, their predecessors, were just about the only ProTour team that would ride the Volta a Portugal owing to having a sponsor with commitments in the Portuguese market, so it may just be that they have more eyes on that scene than others. And indeed they may have seen something they liked in Johansen that he wasn't being used for at the time or had not been used for at Intermarché. A good example of this would be how Christian Knees was a middling Classics guy riding for his own goals at Milram, but when that team collapsed he was effectively picked up off waivers early season by Sky, but then he was repurposed as a flat stage domestique and became one of the best in the business in that role.

The comparison made to Sky is more for some of their odder pickups - there have been a few perplexing choices of rider signings by big teams over the years, but usually there's a clear logic that can be found, for example Movistar signing Spanish track riders like Eloy Teruel on a one-off flyer, or Carlos Oyarzún after overperforming at the World Championships and the new sponsors wanting more diverse South American presence on the team; UAE carrying Yousif Mirza or Bahrain carrying Ahmed Madan on their rosters as sops to the sponsors; or Lars Petter Nordhaug signing for day one Sky from the third tier Team Joker in Norway because he was friends with Edvald Boasson Hagen and got good results in the Tour of Britain, so he was available to negotiate with and it made it easier for the team to bring a bigger name on board. There's a good chance that Johansen may fall into one of these categories. Certainly it seems more likely than him bringing the sponsorship money with him, like Alexis Vuillermoz or some of the ProTeam level pay-riders, because if that was the case he wouldn't have dropped down to Portugal in the first place.

But for those transfers, there's some bigger headscratchers: Cameron Wurf to Ineos as a 36-year-old who had been out of the pro péloton for six years and barely held on to WT standard before that? Gabriel Rasch to FDJ at 35 and Sky at 36, after not turning pro until 30 and only being signed to keep Thor Hushovd company for several years before that? Bruno Pires to Leopard at 29 and then to Saxo at 30 after being a fairly mediocre climbing helper in the domestic Portuguese scene for a decade and getting embroiled in the LA-MSS fiasco? Joaquin Novoa, Dan Lloyd and Dan Fleeman all getting their one shot at the big time in their mid-to-late 20s with Cervélo? Sometimes these signings pay off - Rory Sutherland getting promoted to a WT-level domestique after half a decade as a Continental-level pro before spending a decade as a reliable hand at the top level, for example - but often they appear confusing, not because the rider is necessarily undeserving of a spot but precisely because of the interchangeability of their role and that there are so many other names in the hat that you sometimes wonder 'why him in particular?' - often there's a sponsor, agent or personal connection involved, but if it's not surface-level obvious (such as, say, Jesús Hernández and Benjamin Noval with Contador, Volodymyr Bileka with Popovych, Nordhaug with Boasson Hagen or Rasch with Hushovd) it tends to raise eyebrows, and Johansen's just the latest such example - far from the first and will be far from the last either.
 
Back to the race, Jungels gave the interview in perfect German. Then again, the university of Innsbruck treats his country like Austrians (just like Südtirol) and you have a decent amount of his countrymen studying in Innsbruck too.
 
I remember Johansen in 2018, the hype around him was very high in Denmark. He easily won Worlds and if you'd have to choose between him and a similar rider like Asgreen for example, there'd be no contest. I don't really know what happend, he never seemed to get any better from that point and was just utilisized as a dom since he's a big body with some nice watts but not that much more now competing at a WT level. And the job he must have been doing apparantly wasn't good enough to stay at even a respectable team...
 
I remember Johansen in 2018, the hype around him was very high in Denmark. He easily won Worlds and if you'd have to choose between him and a similar rider like Asgreen for example, there'd be no contest. I don't really know what happend, he never seemed to get any better from that point and was just utilisized as a dom since he's a big body with some nice watts but not that much more now competing at a WT level. And the job he must have been doing apparantly wasn't good enough to stay at even a respectable team...
Looking back at the field that year, 2017 was simply a pretty weak junior cohort for the kind of route that Bergen was. The riders who started that year who have had the best careers are Pidcock, Skjelmose, Zana, Arensman, Van Gils, Schmid, Arensman, Leknessund, M. van den Berg, Wærenskjold and a then incredibly green Evenepoel. Those are mostly Ardennes and climber types, and only one of them (Zana) finished in the top-24 that day. In other words, with the benefit of hindsight that was a comparatively low-value title.
 
One day I'd love to know what sort of chicanery was going on with that Julius Johansen Glassdrive->UAE transfer, felt like there was a favour being repaid somewhere. Similar vibe to some of Ineos' odd moves in the past.

almost, if not for a puncture in the time trial, two time junior world champ the year before remco, theres no question about physical ability but made some bad decisions, in particular that he wanted to focus on track cycling and chose the weirdo uno-x team instead of a big team when he got old enough for a pro contract + he is also dyslexic and feel his english is not great

nice that he caught a break, think it was cause a trainer in portugal took note of his performance data
 
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almost, if not for a puncture in the time trial, two time junior world champ the year before remco, theres no question about physical ability but made some bad decisions, in particular that he wanted to focus on track cycling and chose the weirdo uno-x team instead of a big team when he got old enough for a pro contract + he is also dyslexic and feel his english is not great

nice that he caught a break, think it was cause a trainer in portugal took note of his performance data
Good for him, there are a few riders on smaller teams who could do a similar job like him or NvH (in the grand tours) when he was still riding. Someone like Zoccarato for example can ride tempo all day, has an ftp over 400W and has finished 20th on Jebel Hafeet before. A 75kg guy who can ride all day and ride 5.5W/kg on the climbs, perfect to do the dirty work early on.
 
As ever, supportive region comes back on board, they were miles out of the way for the women's TOB this year so it makes sense that they'd bid for the men. After all, the county has been just about the most supportive of all to the professional sport since the British cycling boom. East Anglia as a whole has been very supportive but Suffolk has I think had more hostings than the others (though Essex obviously now also has the expanded version of the London women's crit that it hosts two days of annually).

2010 men's - stage start
2011 men's - stage start
2012 men's - stage start (start of the race)
2014 women's - stage finish (end of the race)
2015 women's - stage start and finish (start of the race)
2015 men's - stage finish
2016 women's - stage start (start of the race)
2017 men's - stage start and finish
2018 women's - stage start and finish (start of the race)
2019 women's - stage start and finish (start of the race)
2021 women's - stage start and finish (end of the race)
2022 women's - stage finish
2023 men's - stage start and finish
2024 men's - stage start and finish (end of the race)
2025 men's - stage start and finish, plus stage start (start of the race)

So essentially, the only year in the last 15 where Suffolk has not had a host of any stage of either the men's or women's TOB has been 2013, once you factor in that neither race was organised in 2020 due to the pandemic, so it was only to be expected they would host once it was clear the women's race was going to be geographically nowhere near the East Anglian region.

And yet somehow Hartest Hill and Watson's Hill remain unused and despite numerous stages into Suffolk from Essex or vice versa, all the little hills around Sudbury and Lavenham are unknown to either race. I know we've had a lot to say over the years about SweetSpot and their successors' laziness when it comes to course planning, frequently riding straight past the only potential platforms for a move (like, literally right past the base of the climb and detouring around it to the point where it would have been almost easier to use it), but there's something to be said for consistency. I think it's fine for the races to keep going back if they have willing and supportive hosts, they should get some kind of preferential treatment for the amount of support they've shown, but they really need to try to shake up what they do with the region and I have a lot of reservations about the safety of sprint run-ins we've had in the region as there have been quite a few incidents and wipeouts with the attempts to get the local landmarks in the shots in the past, thinking especially about the 2016 women's stage to Norwich (yes, it's in Norfolk) and the 2022 women's stage to Bury St. Edmunds which were both absolute pileups with a bunch of street furniture and 90º tight corners in the final kilometre that required time gaps annulling and a lot of 3km rule application due to repeated accidents.

I've actually had a go at creating a Tour of East Anglia race to try to maximise what there is available, and while it's not much, with small size teams you could make a half decent rouleur challenge around the area.
 
As ever, supportive region comes back on board, they were miles out of the way for the women's TOB this year so it makes sense that they'd bid for the men. After all, the county has been just about the most supportive of all to the professional sport since the British cycling boom. East Anglia as a whole has been very supportive but Suffolk has I think had more hostings than the others (though Essex obviously now also has the expanded version of the London women's crit that it hosts two days of annually).

2010 men's - stage start
2011 men's - stage start
2012 men's - stage start (start of the race)
2014 women's - stage finish (end of the race)
2015 women's - stage start and finish (start of the race)
2015 men's - stage finish
2016 women's - stage start (start of the race)
2017 men's - stage start and finish
2018 women's - stage start and finish (start of the race)
2019 women's - stage start and finish (start of the race)
2021 women's - stage start and finish (end of the race)
2022 women's - stage finish
2023 men's - stage start and finish
2024 men's - stage start and finish (end of the race)
2025 men's - stage start and finish, plus stage start (start of the race)

So essentially, the only year in the last 15 where Suffolk has not had a host of any stage of either the men's or women's TOB has been 2013, once you factor in that neither race was organised in 2020 due to the pandemic, so it was only to be expected they would host once it was clear the women's race was going to be geographically nowhere near the East Anglian region.

And yet somehow Hartest Hill and Watson's Hill remain unused and despite numerous stages into Suffolk from Essex or vice versa, all the little hills around Sudbury and Lavenham are unknown to either race. I know we've had a lot to say over the years about SweetSpot and their successors' laziness when it comes to course planning, frequently riding straight past the only potential platforms for a move (like, literally right past the base of the climb and detouring around it to the point where it would have been almost easier to use it), but there's something to be said for consistency. I think it's fine for the races to keep going back if they have willing and supportive hosts, they should get some kind of preferential treatment for the amount of support they've shown, but they really need to try to shake up what they do with the region and I have a lot of reservations about the safety of sprint run-ins we've had in the region as there have been quite a few incidents and wipeouts with the attempts to get the local landmarks in the shots in the past, thinking especially about the 2016 women's stage to Norwich (yes, it's in Norfolk) and the 2022 women's stage to Bury St. Edmunds which were both absolute pileups with a bunch of street furniture and 90º tight corners in the final kilometre that required time gaps annulling and a lot of 3km rule application due to repeated accidents.

I've actually had a go at creating a Tour of East Anglia race to try to maximise what there is available, and while it's not much, with small size teams you could make a half decent rouleur challenge around the area.

IIRC they hosted a round of the Tour Series crit races in 2013 in Ipswich, and Sweetspots approach back then, with lots of suitors bidding, meant you couldn't double up with a Tour Series and ToB in the same year around the same county areas.

Though it's quite funny how often they do come to Suffolk and completely avoid the county town,and this year will be no different imo, as from Woodbridge they'll go north eastish around Framlingham, Snape, copy parts from previous visits, no doubt a sprint into Aldeburgh, won't be any photographers in the way this time.

And from Stowmarket it will be sort of south West then north and back round in a loop, and no doubt annoyingly riding right pass Watsons Hill again. It's the same team who did the sweetspot races who work out the routes for BC so the methodology remains.

That finish in Stowmarket is very narrow though, a bunch sprint could be quite a dangerous thing to want to engineer. I remember it was quite close to disaster for the women's tour, infact im sure someone did crash into a barrier after the finish as there was no room, and especially as the roads were wet and greasy.


Share your route though I'd be interested in trying some of it for something different than I normally ride round here, though im not riding up Watson Hill bad enough doing it the once going up, coming down was terrifying :)