Levi Leipheimer

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ElChingon

ElChingon

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Leipheimer opens up about doping revelations

"I owe it to everyone to be available to discuss it openly to anyone on the street, on a bike, in the bike ships, in the schools, in a cafe, restaurant"

http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20121016/ARTICLES/121019642/1350?p=1&tc=pg
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Finally fessing up!

Still he thinks just because he stopped doping after 2007 that the wins post were done cleanly. I ask, would he of even been in the position to race at that level had he not doped in the previous years, would any team have even given him the chance, would he of even thought it was possible?

Its all ill gains post doping. Where are his competitors that raced clean and never got the shot to even race on those days after he stopped doping?
 
luckyboy

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skidmark said:
Interesting. This puts him in a semi-sympathetic light. I'd like to hear more than 'I'm proud of the Vuelta podium and bronze medal' implying they were clean and having him say 'they were clean, yes'. I just have some serious doubt, but at least he's provided a little shred of credible context.
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Maybe just wanted to save some of his career. No way has he been clean since 2007.
 
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I also find it a bit hard to believe that he was clean when he got 2nd in the 2008 Vuelta (his best GT ever)...and was getting stronger in the end when he almost beat a convicted doper! NOT NORMAL how could the "journalist" not call him on that ?!
 
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skidmark said:
Anyway, I just wish that someone with some money would sponsor a team and hire everyone who's actually talked about this, as an 'eff you' to the omerta crap still going on.
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He didn't break omertà. He fessed up the day the USADA report came out. Big deal. He doesn't deserve sympathy when he confesses with a bayonet in his back.
 
ElChingon

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Racelap said:
Really missing those hilarious Xtranormal videos starring "Levi" and "Lance" right now. :(
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Does anyone remember who posted them on YouTube?

YouTube may of pulled them but they are still there as they do not delete anything, if we can get the YouTube poster to ask I'm sure they'll restore them. Considering what has transpired ;)
 
hrotha

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Netserk said:
Has he said that he stopped doping in '07?
In his statement all he says is that he stopped working with Michele Ferrari in '07 (or was it '06?).
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In his acceptance of sanction, he admits to doping in 2000-2007 (presumably up to and including the 2007 TdF, judging by the results he lost).

Still no word on his 1996 positive.
 
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skidmark

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trailrunner said:
He didn't break omertà. He fessed up the day the USADA report came out. Big deal. He doesn't deserve sympathy when he confesses with a bayonet in his back.
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Yeah, don't get me wrong, I was talking about OPQS, not Leipheimer. He responded truthfully to a scary federal investigation, he's no hero for that. Still doesn't make OPQS' odious statement of 'we commend him for being truthful buuut... we're firing him' any better.

And to luckyboy, yeah no way I believe he's clean since 2007. But still, he seems like such a weak-willed guy, I also would doubt he'd have the chutzpah to lie about that straight up....
 
luckyboy

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He details his doping up to the 2007 Tour (asking Bruyneel for a team programme, didn't want to do it himself, saline + blood infusions during Tour) then stops with the details from that point on.
@hrotha, netsark
 
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luckyboy said:
He details his doping up to the 2007 Tour (asking Bruyneel for a team programme, didn't want to do it himself, saline + blood infusions during Tour) then stops with the details from that point on.
@hrotha, netsark
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I know, I mean he didn't admit to any wrongdoing after the 2007 Tour.
 
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The disappointing stuff is found in his last answer:

PD: What do you say to people who say you came out only because the feds forced you to come out?

LL: I would have asked them the question: What good would that have done if I came forth by myself? If you look at the history of cyclists who have done that they just get thrown under the bus. Ostracized and get kicked out of the sport. It would not have helped to clean up the sport. People would have just labeled me a cheater, acting on my own.
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Confessing under pressure is nothing heroic. Appreciation for him talking in the end, but that doesn’t make his years-long support of wonder boy’s mafia disappear.
 
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fat_boy_fat said:
The disappointing stuff is found in his last answer:

PD: What do you say to people who say you came out only because the feds forced you to come out?

LL: I would have asked them the question: What good would that have done if I came forth by myself? If you look at the history of cyclists who have done that they just get thrown under the bus. Ostracized and get kicked out of the sport. It would not have helped to clean up the sport. People would have just labeled me a cheater, acting on my own.
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Confessing under pressure is nothing heroic. Appreciation for him talking in the end, but that doesn’t make his years-long support of wonder boy’s mafia disappear.
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Not heroic but probably accurate.
 
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This says it all doesn't it? If it wasn't for the feds... (http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20121016/ARTICLES/121019643/1350)

PD: You didn't have to testify?

LL: I had a subpoena with a penalty of perjury hanging over my head if I lied.

PD: But what if you plead the Fifth Amendment and refused to testify?

Kaeske: If you get a grand jury subpoena or any other kind of subpoena that means you must appear. You can appeal and take the fifth. If then you are offered immunity from prosecution to whatever you might say, you no longer have the right to not say. So now if you don't answer the question, you can be held in contempt of court (and go to jail). You actually don't have a choice and that's what a lot of people don't understand. These riders didn't have a choice or not whether to answer the questions. It meant Levi could not refuse to testify. He was obligated to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. ..
 
veganrob

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Hugh Januss said:
Except that you can bet your life there are a ton of non US riders right now who are keeping their heads down, denying everything, expressing "great surprise" at the terrible things that USPS did (see for instance, O'Grady and Pevenage) and keeping their results and their jobs and hoping to hell the whole thing blows over before it gets to them.
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and you are correct here. No doubt there are riders in Euprope and all over the world hiding lest they are asked to comment. They are cowards and crooks. Good on Levi and all the other for fessing up and state their wishes for the clean cycling. I feel great and give them tons of credit for it. It does not excuse what they have done. And I think that is what trailrunner was stating, don't dope, no reason to fear.
 
hrotha

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veganrob said:
and you are correct here. No doubt there are riders in Euprope and all over the world hiding lest they are asked to comment. They are cowards and crooks. Good on Levi and all the other for fessing up and state their wishes for the clean cycling. I feel great and give them tons of credit for it. It does not excuse what they have done. And I think that is what trailrunner was stating, don't dope, no reason to fear.
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Levi did what they all do: he confessed when that was his only way out. Hamilton was the same, but he followed it up by actually doing something that helped. Levi just gave a half-arsed confession, kept on riding, said nothing when he saw Landis and Hamilton attacked publicly, and still wants us to believe he's one of the good guys. Hell, he even says coming clean wasn't an option! And still has the cojones to say he's all for clean cycling and changing things.
 
BroDeal

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TourOfSardinia said:
Never liked LL.
Like him better now.
Time for some others to follow in his tracks/wheelsuck his confession.
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This.

I have spent a bit of time making fun of Leipheimer and Tommy D. I have more respect for them now.

I am still not happy with the 2011 Tour de Suisse. Cunego deserved to win that one.
 
Fatclimber

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BroDeal said:
This.

I have spent a bit of time making fun of Leipheimer and Tommy D. I have more respect for them now.

I am still not happy with the 2011 Tour de Suisse. Cunego deserved to win that one.
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I know you probably expected to hear this, but it's not like Cunego has been a saint either.
 
BroDeal

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Fatclimber said:
I know you probably expected to hear this, but it's not like Cunego has been a saint either.
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The stage where Cunego chased and caught the lead group then finished with a narrow descent with varied road conditions was sick. That is how stage races should be won.

The last 30 minutes of the stage are on Youtube if you missed it.
 
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