Levi Leipheimer

[Almeisan]

Can't flag it because flag is resolved.

 

[neineinei]

Can you believe it, Levi did upload on Strava his files from the Dauphiné he won in 2006... And took the KOM to Laurens Ten Dam
What a joke, what was he on in 2006 ?
I'd love to flag that segment !

http://www.strava.com/activities/2315884#38837044

EDIT : I've just had a look at the video from this year's TdF : from his attack at 7.1km to the summit Froome did 20'05, Levi 20'08.
I know, there was a terrible tailwind in 2013

He was on EPO bought from Pepe Marti in 2006 and USADA took away his results till July 30 2006.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Can you believe it, Levi did upload on Strava his files from the Dauphiné he won in 2006... And took the KOM to Laurens Ten Dam
What a joke, what was he on in 2006 ?
I'd love to flag that segment !

http://www.strava.com/activities/2315884#38837044

EDIT : I've just had a look at the video from this year's TdF : from his attack at 7.1km to the summit Froome did 20'05, Levi 20'08.
I know, there was a terrible tailwind in 2013

Tried to flag and Strava will not take it down.

We couldn't create the flag for this activity

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I opened a bug report on it.

 

[D-Queued]

Tried to flag and Strava will not take it down.

We couldn't create the flag for this activity

Cannot create a flag on an activity that already has a resolved flag.

I opened a bug report on it.

That's a first.

Fascinating.

I've reported a case or two of Digital EPO, and apparently Strava agreed with me.

But, they let the real thing go?

Dave.

 

[DanielsDad]

That's a first.

Fascinating.

I've reported a case or two of Digital EPO, and apparently Strava agreed with me.

But, they let the real thing go?

Dave.

Are Strava numbers supposed to be trusted?

 

[Gregga]

"This activity is no longer avalaible"
Thx Mr Strava.

 

[D-Queued]

Are Strava numbers supposed to be trusted?

It's a good question, but they do operate on the honor system and their 'code' is good:

http://www.strava.com/stand-with-us

What isn't so good are those that fail #3 by blatantly cheating and showing bad sportsmanship by posting results that the entire world knows were accomplished while doped to the gills.

Dave.

 

[del1962]

It's a good question, but they do operate on the honor system and their 'code' is good:

http://www.strava.com/stand-with-us

What isn't so good are those that fail #3 by blatantly cheating and showing bad sportsmanship by posting results that the entire world knows were accomplished while doped to the gills.

Dave.

Would it no be easier and cheaper to do it in a car/motorbike than doping to the gills

 

[DirtyWorks]

"This activity is no longer avalaible"
Thx Mr Strava.

If you go to the landing page for his account, his recent rides are there including how he ranked on segments. Go to the segment page and he's not ranked there. Interesting incomplete functionality for hiding performances. Which is about average for them. Maybe not a great place to work on the technical side.

They at least had the decency to send a typical response though: "Thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts with us. I can't guarantee any changes, but I will be happy to pass your suggestion on to our team." Cannot say the same about the organization that runs the Leadville 100.

 

[MarkvW]

Are Strava numbers supposed to be trusted?

It's the honor system, applied to cyclists.

 

[DanielsDad]

It's a good question, but they do operate on the honor system and their 'code' is good:

http://www.strava.com/stand-with-us

What isn't so good are those that fail #3 by blatantly cheating and showing bad sportsmanship by posting results that the entire world knows were accomplished while doped to the gills.

Dave.

I think Strava results should be taken less seriously than what your mates tell you about their riding after several pints.

Beside intentional falsifying of results, there are too many things that are accidently posted too. Like was that record set in a TT or group ride, or was the rider drafting behind a truck or had a big tailwind - or doped to the gills but didn't know it due to not reading the label on the stuff the Dr. game him. Maybe they are riding in the train and the result is uploaded.

The results, don't bother me at all no matter what they say. I thought it funny when I heard about folks hanging onto cars and driving up. A teammates dad broke his wrist trying to break a Strava record.

To me it is exactly what it should be - fun - and a fun way to irritate others a bit, which seems Levi is doing just fine at.

 

[Benotti69]

I find the idea of Strava sad and the pros that are posting their times on it pathetic.

If you want to beat people's times. Race or TT competitively.

 

[DanielsDad]

If you want to beat people's times. Race or TT competitively.

Completely agree. Which is why I don't think there is "cheating" on Strava.

I find the idea of Strava sad and the pros that are posting their times on it pathetic.

Maybe you have a different idea. I like that pros post a time as close to reality as possible (knowing it is not reality) so non-pros can chase it - for fun and training.

Its like "winning" a Grand Fondo!

 

[Gregga]

Diving into that '06 Dauphiné I found in the autobus a funny stuff typical of the doping strategies in the mid-2000 :

Not everyone rode that way up Mont Ventoux, obviously. Alexandre Vinokourov, Floyd Landis and George Hincapie looked like they were not trying their best, probably afraid of burning themselves instead of doing solid work in their lead up to the Tour de France. "I think they're coming all off a big break from racing," Leipheimer noticed. "At a point, they weren't pushing as hard as they could, that's what I think."

Exactly ten years ago, Bjarne Riis climbed the Ventoux 15 minutes behind Miguel Indurain, one month before taking him down from his throne at the Tour de France. There are a few people in modern cycling following the example of Riis' methods.

http://ftp.cyclingnews.com/road/2006/jun06/dauphinelibere06/?id=results/dauphinelibere064


Vino/Floyd/Big George had a blood extraction just before, ok...
But I didn't remember Riis being so weak in the 1996 Dauphiné.
Thanks to Tyler, we now understand he also had blood extracted for the Tour... transfusions... in 1996

Maybe one day we'll understand better the 2013 season

(by the way, according to Strava before the activity was deleted, on that Ventoux stage, for the last 20 minutes, Menchov and Moreau were 12 seconds faster than full-***-Chris in 2013, Levi 3 seconds slower)

 

[roundabout]

And Mr Propre Sy Chavanel was 40 seconds slower.

Means nothing.

 

[IndianCyclist]

Would it no be easier and cheaper to do it in a car/motorbike than doping to the gills

Do it from a helo or a plane and you will set record times

 

[D-Queued]

I find the idea of Strava sad and the pros that are posting their times on it pathetic.

If you want to beat people's times. Race or TT competitively.

Understandable.

Strava isn't for everyone.

You probably don't even use a GPS cycling computer, let alone a powermeter. Maybe you do have a cycling computer that measures power, and you don't care that it doesn't track against a known slope or TT segment.

You may not have found a reason to pre-map any route that you might ride locally or in a new place. And, you might have no reason to track your progress along that route - let alone allow someone else to track you real time in case of emergency or just out of curiousity.

Perhaps you are one of those that doesn't track their training, and cannot relate to doing repetitions over the same roadway. You may never have wondered how fast other people go on those great local climbs that the ASO won't add to the Tour de France.

Heck, you may not even know about other cyclists, or care to share anything with them at all.

If any of the above is true, then please excuse those of us that think Strava is a beautifully conceived application.

I've been doing as you suggest, and have raced for decades.

I suppose you could point out that I still haven't learned anything and obviously need Strava more than someone else might.

It is frustrating, though, that there are no more races until the Spring. How will I gauge my speed until then?

Dave.

 

[Benotti69]

Understandable.

Strava isn't for everyone.

You probably don't even use a GPS cycling computer, let alone a powermeter. Maybe you do have a cycling computer that measures power, and you don't care that it doesn't track against a known slope or TT segment.

You may not have found a reason to pre-map any route that you might ride locally or in a new place. And, you might have no reason to track your progress along that route - let alone allow someone else to track you real time in case of emergency or just out of curiousity.

Perhaps you are one of those that doesn't track their training, and cannot relate to doing repetitions over the same roadway. You may never have wondered how fast other people go on those great local climbs that the ASO won't add to the Tour de France.

Heck, you may not even know about other cyclists, or care to share anything with them at all.

If any of the above is true, then please excuse those of us that think Strava is a beautifully conceived application.

I've been doing as you suggest, and have raced for decades.

I suppose you could point out that I still haven't learned anything and obviously need Strava more than someone else might.

My 1990 Steel frame hasn't got a cateye never mind any of that modern tech computers

It is frustrating, though, that there are no more races until the Spring. How will I gauge my speed until then?

Dave.

What did Coppi, Bartali, Anquetil et al do in the off season

 

[D-Queued]

My 1990 Steel frame hasn't got a cateye never mind any of that modern tech computers



What did Coppi, Bartali, Anquetil et al do in the off season

1. Cool!

I had to explain to a couple of guys the other day how sweet steel is as they were laughing at someone with a steel frame. I have more steel frames than they have bicycles combined between them.

2. Dope. They didn't need anything else.

Dave.

(Edit to add: They rode track... segments are easy)

 

[proffate]

Its like "winning" a Grand Fondo!

winning a gran fondo is just as difficult as a race with numbers pinned on, at least in the western half of the United States where it requires beating Neil Shirley and his 11lbs bike.

 

[thehog]

Understandable.

Strava isn't for everyone.

You probably don't even use a GPS cycling computer, let alone a powermeter. Maybe you do have a cycling computer that measures power, and you don't care that it doesn't track against a known slope or TT segment.

You may not have found a reason to pre-map any route that you might ride locally or in a new place. And, you might have no reason to track your progress along that route - let alone allow someone else to track you real time in case of emergency or just out of curiousity.

Perhaps you are one of those that doesn't track their training, and cannot relate to doing repetitions over the same roadway. You may never have wondered how fast other people go on those great local climbs that the ASO won't add to the Tour de France.

Heck, you may not even know about other cyclists, or care to share anything with them at all.

If any of the above is true, then please excuse those of us that think Strava is a beautifully conceived application.

I've been doing as you suggest, and have raced for decades.

I suppose you could point out that I still haven't learned anything and obviously need Strava more than someone else might.

It is frustrating, though, that there are no more races until the Spring. How will I gauge my speed until then?

Dave.

Every time I see some guy take down 30 riders, the first question is; 'man what the f*** were you doing?'

"Dude, I was trying to beat my segment time".

The app is killing people!

 

[D-Queued]

Every time I see some guy take down 30 riders, the first question is; 'man what the f*** were you doing?'

"Dude, I was trying to beat my segment time".

The app is killing people!

People kill people, not guns.

Sheesh.

Stupidity knows no bounds and needs no excuse nor facilitation.

If I had a penny for every dumb-a$$ thing I have seen on a ride - no matter how much people scream and yell - and if I had to pay a nickel or even a dime for every dumb-a$$ Strava attempt*, I would still be a millionaire.

*And I have ridden in many of the hottest Strava markets.

Dave.

 

[sniper]

Levi said in October 2012he had been clean for more than 5 years, so presumably stopped after the TdF 2007 (matching his affidavit, i believe).

I can't find anything, but I wonder, did USADA vouch for the truthfulness of Levi?
Wonder what Bruyneel's testimony brings to light wrt Levi, and what conseuqences Levi might face if found to have lied under oath.

ow, and RR on twitter

Rasmussen's book details how Levi was angry because he felt the Rabo's doping program was not aggressive enough

no way Levi stopped in 2007.

 

[Benotti69]

Levi said in October 2012he had been clean for more than 5 years, so presumably stopped after the TdF 2007 (matching his affidavit, i believe).

I can't find anything, but I wonder, did USADA vouch for the truthfulness of Levi?
Wonder what Bruyneel's testimony brings to light wrt Levi, and what conseuqences Levi might face if found to have lied under oath.

ow, and RR on twitter
no way Levi stopped in 2007.

'no way Levi stopped in 2007'! Who stopped??? I didn't see any reasons for riders to stop. Remember the clowns who were running this sport only stopped a few weeks ago!!!

 

[Catwhoorg]

Levi said in October 2012he had been clean for more than 5 years, so presumably stopped after the TdF 2007 (matching his affidavit, i believe).

I can't find anything, but I wonder, did USADA vouch for the truthfulness of Levi?
Wonder what Bruyneel's testimony brings to light wrt Levi, and what conseuqences Levi might face if found to have lied under oath.

ow, and RR on twitter
no way Levi stopped in 2007.

His 6 month ban gets increased to the basic sanction, plus USADA get the chance to appeal to stiffen it. Depending on in they take 1996 into account, it could be 4 years or life.

Plus loss of results of course.