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[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

Not in this case. He always was a diesel. Just the result of his diesel work was different before and after suspension. OK. Explosiveness for you is an ability to drop an opponent from wheel? How it happens doesn't matter, right?

this is actually true. Basso was never explosive, he was just an insane diesel prior to the ban, for obvious reasons.

 

[pastronef]

The ProTeam will keep most of its gear sponsors, such as Bontrager, Shimano, Craft and Northwave. Sram and Giro (who sponsored RadioShack) will not be a part of the project. Nike will probably only sponsor the post-race shoes.

thank you, I was curious about that since the merging news broke out

 

[theyoungest]

Bruyneel never had to show any wonders tactics, but he is uniquely the strongest strategically and at ability to effect on the rider, make him believe in himself. Could anyone name some climbers, who is more explosive than Andy (but Contador) for the last 5-7 years?

Andy Schleck can put in a strong attack when the climb is sufficiently long and hard, but that's not what I call an explosive climber. Look at how he suffered in Mende and on the Mur de Bretagne. Purito Rodriguez, now that's an explosive climber.

 

[airstream]

Andy Schleck can put in a strong attack when the climb is sufficiently long and hard, but that's not what I call an explosive climber. Look at how he suffered in Mende and on the Mur de Bretagne. Purito Rodriguez, now that's an explosive climber.

Yeah. But it is rather due to inability to switch quickly from usual flat riding using heavy gears to short steep climb. I wouldn't put simple equality between this and non-explosiveness. For example, Samuel Sanchez is more explosive and was in form of his life but couldn't stick to Contador and Purito either, that's why I'm predisposed to think Mende and Mur-de-Bretagne largely reflected not a very good willingness on that particular day, although Andy told many times he doesn't like short climbs.

 

[theyoungest]

Yeah. But it is rather due to inability to switch quickly from usual flat riding using heavy gears to short steep climb. I wouldn't put simple equality between this and non-explosiveness.

You were looking for more explosive climbers than Andy Schleck. Arguably, there are quite a lot of them. Like Rodriguez, who is by all means not as strong a climber as Andy... except on the purely explosive climbs.

 

[movingtarget]

Most of Schleck's problems are in his head. Bruyneel should be good for helping Schleck with tactics and motivation. It will also help if he can improve his TT even if it is not a big improvement. Will this be enough to win the TDF : maybe not.

 

[Benotti69]

Most of Schleck's problems are in his head. Bruyneel should be good for helping Schleck with tactics and motivation. It will also help if he can improve his TT even if it is not a big improvement. Will this be enough to win the TDF : maybe not.

I doubt that Bruyneel can do the mind thing. Armstrong did that himself. Bruyneel did other things but not the mentality. I think Bruyneel ensured that Armstrong got the necessary do appease his ego, ie that he had a bike that was .05% more aerodynamic etc....

 

[Publicus]

Most of Schleck's problems are in his head. Bruyneel should be good for helping Schleck with tactics and motivation. It will also help if he can improve his TT even if it is not a big improvement. Will this be enough to win the TDF : maybe not.

The only person that can change Andy mentally is Andy. I don't believe that he believes there is a problem in his approach to his profession. Just that he's had some bad luck (or others have had good luck). Until he does acknowledge that there's a problem, he'll never overcome it.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

in 2006 basso was sprinting from the bottom to the top of any climb and using the big ring. lol

that wasn't sprinting. he rode exactly the same as now except he pushed a 60 watt extra, so all dropped

 

[jens_attacks]

if robobasso would have been explosive,you could read now 3 giri di lombardia and 2 sanremos on his palmares.so no, he never was,not even for a second.
i don't know why he never approached a higher cadence idea,too bad.but to change something like this needs years of work so yeah better push the big ring and make everyone suffer.

 

[roundabout]

What do you mean never approached a higher cadence?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhvH49ZInYE

Here he is spinning away.

Edit: with Armstrong

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmkVSp4vBUA&feature=player_detailpage#t=136s

 

[jens_attacks]

you're right.still no explosiveness though

 

[roundabout]

Yes. Especially now.

 

[scullster46]

Wasn't Sassi trying to work on Basso's explosiveness, trying to get him out of the saddle more?

In terms of Schleck, while he isn't as explosive as some guys, he is by no means a pure diesel. I think he fits the pure climber role to a t.

 

[airstream]

What do you mean never approached a higher cadence?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhvH49ZInYE

Here he is spinning away.

Edit: with Armstrong

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmkVSp4vBUA&feature=player_detailpage#t=136s

Haha, you're right. His reacting on Piepoli's and Simoni's pull on the Monte Bondone was the most explosive demonstration over that Giro. Though the gradient conceals the impression a bit, as long as Saunier Duval attacked at about 7% sector, after what there was a little drop-off to 4-5%. Basso easily switched on turbo mode, working at about 53/17 gear ratio. I'm describing the moment he dropped everybody, but Gibo. Incredible. However, it is just an illusison. He was so strong that there was no difference how to go away...
Unfortunately, after suspension Basso looks like someone implanted metal beams into his legs...

 

[thehog]

Haha, you're right. His reacting on Piepoli's and Simoni's pull on the Monte Bondone was the most explosive demonstration over that Giro. Though the gradient conceals the impression a bit, as long as Saunier Duval attacked at about 7% sector, after what there was a little drop-off to 4-5%. Basso easily switched on turbo mode, working at about 53/17 gear ratio. I'm describing the moment he dropped everybody, but Gibo. Incredible. However, it is just an illusison. He was so strong that there was no difference how to go away...
Unfortunately, after suspension Basso looks like someone implanted metal beams into his legs...

Even the Buffelo from Phonak couldn't keep up! Funentes was texting the dead mountain biker at this point on how proud he was of Basso..... Lucky Ivan only thought about doping.

 

[greenedge]

Unfortunately, after suspension Basso looks like someone implanted metal beams into his legs...

So true. At least this system now suits him. And at the Giro 10 he dropped everyone with quite a few good attacks.

 

[gregrowlerson]

Wasn't Sassi trying to work on Basso's explosiveness, trying to get him out of the saddle more?

In terms of Schleck, while he isn't as explosive as some guys, he is by no means a pure diesel. I think he fits the pure climber role to a t.

I am not sure why people have the idea that Andy isn't very explosive on the climbs. His acceleration halfway up the Tourmalet in 2010 (and the fact that he was able to carry this through for close to 10 kms, distancing good climbers by 2 minutes plus) was one of the most impressive pieces of climbing that I have seen; alas for him - Alberto was just as impressive.

And didn't he finish on the podium a couple of times in Ardennes classic races (losing to Gilbert)? That would suggest a decent ability on shorter steeper climbs also?

 

[Christian]

And didn't he finish on the podium a couple of times in Ardennes classic races (losing to Gilbert)? That would suggest a decent ability on shorter steeper climbs also?

He also finished 2nd only to Rebellin on the Mur de Huy, that was quite impressive. Unfortunately he hasn't shown much in that race since

 

[pastronef]

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/1...Cycling+News+&+Race+Results+|+VeloNation.com)

RadioShack with craft clothing

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

I am not sure why people have the idea that Andy isn't very explosive on the climbs. His acceleration halfway up the Tourmalet in 2010 (and the fact that he was able to carry this through for close to 10 kms, distancing good climbers by 2 minutes plus) was one of the most impressive pieces of climbing that I have seen; alas for him - Alberto was just as impressive.

And didn't he finish on the podium a couple of times in Ardennes classic races (losing to Gilbert)? That would suggest a decent ability on shorter steeper climbs also?

that has nothing to do with explosiveness

 

[airstream]

Now Andy looks like he is 3-4 kg heavier than in 07-08. To my mind, he was the strongest like a climber in 2009 over his career, but it wasn't enough due to unbelievable Contador's climbing level. After that SaxoBank directed efforts to improving ТТ because of what his pedaling uphill became much bulkier. Looking at how Andy climbed this Tour it seems that work was focused on TT to an even greater degree, but it failed in both components. His gearing was too power. GT riders with an emphasis on ТТ usually climb in like manner. I'm very curious about how Bruyneel will try to solve this dilemma.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M11zpoaxt3w#t=1m43sec

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66W4-paNqu0#t=7m25sec

 

[Siriuscat]

Now Andy looks like he is 3-4 kg heavier than in 07-08. To my mind, he was the strongest like a climber in 2009 over his career, but it wasn't enough due to unbelievable Contador's climbing level. After that SaxoBank directed efforts to improving ТТ because of what his pedaling uphill became much bulkier. Looking at how Andy climbed this Tour it seems that work was focused on TT to an even greater degree, but it failed in both components. His gearing was too power. GT riders with an emphasis on ТТ usually climb in like manner. I'm very curious about how Bruyneel will try to solve this dilemma

Might I refer you to any thread in "The Clinic"

I think Andy has all the physical attributes necessary he's largely just inept and I don't think even the Hog has the ability to do much about that.....still don't like him

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

the days of bruyneel clinicking his riders are over. that;s why he's so average now

 

[airstream]

Might I refer you to any thread in "The Clinic"

I think Andy has all the physical attributes necessary he's largely just inept and I don't think even the Hog has the ability to do much about that.....still don't like him

He will work. I'm sure a key problem in TT is a lack of mental focus.

It's not very correct to try to elevate your rider by downgrading his main opponent.