Livestrong did you know ...

[TRDean]

I assumed he was joking, and the quotes around "swindle" were implied. Sheesh.

I understand 95, I just have a very low tolerance for that kind of humor.

 

[elapid]

Another thing most haters seem to overlook about LAF is that it is not organized to primarily be a conduit for medical research like other apparently similar charities are. Much of what LAF is about is providing services to cancer victims, services to help them research their particular disease, finding the best resources, hospitals, methods, and doctors, etc. Providing all that information and service, and maintaining it, costs money, and looks like "overhead" (salaries, equipment, IT, etc.) on the balance sheet. Of course a lot of the donations go to funding that machine.

I suppose I object to your use of haters. Who, in your mind, are haters? In regard to the quoted paragraph, the majority of people posting on this thread are aware of the services LAF provides.

 

[TheNJDevil]

In the beginning, when domain names were actually overseen and not sold ad nauseum to any one who had $10, you could not register a .org domain if you were going to make a profit. I was told on 2 separate incidents, that I had to redirect to my .com site in order to sell (or provide anything other than information).

Now, you are still not supposed to make profit from a .org labeled site. You still register your .org, .net, ect, but it's an non-enforced rule that those should be redirected to a .com site if you are going to profit. According to that rule, the LiveStrong sites (.com and .org) are operating perfectly within the accepted web domain standards.

And really, to those who cannot handle humor, open your mind and accept that you don't have to take the world at face value. If you find humor in things, you will live a happier existence.

 

[Anonymous]

reminds me of bill gates and the bill gates foundation..

How dare Bill Gates continue to call himself Bill Gates, and exploit his charity and his philanthropy..

 

[Anonymous]

an example of the power of livestrong...
http://www.fatcyclist.com/2009/07/
go half way down and see what happens to the sites hits when simply mentioned by lance or the LAF.. how much extra was raised in sponsorship by the young lad in wales doing a cycle ride after he was mentioned in once of lances videos etc..

 

[Eva Maria]

reminds me of bill gates and the bill gates foundation..

How dare Bill Gates continue to call himself Bill Gates, and exploit his charity and his philanthropy..

Bill Gates asks people to donate to his foundation? I thought it was all his and Warren's money?

 

[Ninety5rpm]

I suppose I object to your use of haters. Who, in your mind, are haters? In regard to the quoted paragraph, the majority of people posting on this thread are aware of the services LAF provides.

Anyone who hates Lance Armstrong is a hater. I don't keep a list.

If they know about the services LAF provides, then why all the uproar about how much less LAF doles out in research, etc. than other similar charities? Or did I misunderstand?

 

[Eva Maria]

Anyone who hates Lance Armstrong is a hater. I don't keep a list.

At what point does it become OK to dislike Armstrong? It appears you are ok with doping, cheating, infidelity, and lying. Where does the line start where it is OK to question him start?

 

[TheArbiter]

At what point does it become OK to dislike Armstrong? It appears you are ok with doping, cheating, infidelity, and lying. Where does the line start where it is OK to question him start?

At what point does it become OK to like Armstrong? Amazing comeback from cancer, seven Tour wins, inspiration to millions, oldest guy ever to come third, etc?

 

[Ninety5rpm]

At what point does it become OK to dislike Armstrong? It appears you are ok with doping, cheating, infidelity, and lying. Where does the line start where it is OK to question him start?

At what point does it become OK to like Armstrong? Amazing comeback from cancer, seven Tour wins, inspiration to millions, oldest guy ever to come third, etc?

Those are lame excuses, Eva. Who dislikes Zabel (for example) for "doping and cheating"?
Infidelity? If it's Clinton, it's okay (unless you're a Republican), but if it's Armstrong, it's an excuse to dislike.
Lying? Please.

Armstrong is a fascinating and flawed human being, just like you. Why do you have to "like" or "dislike" him? What is this? Jr. High? Grow up.

Just be objective, and accept him for who he is, an ego-centric cancer licking Tour winning dikc, just as you would like others, I presume, to accept you for who you are.

 

[TheArbiter]

People aren't "okay" with doping. They simply recognize that virtually every top rider for the last 100 years has doped in some way or another. To suddenly pretend that Armstrong was the only guy to do it, and that's why he won, is completely disingenious. What rider was not doing EPO before the test?

As for infidelity, what's that got to do with anything? He usually dates models and other socialites who are jumping in and out of bed with each other all the time. That's just celebrities.

 

[Ninety5rpm]

People aren't "okay" with doping. They simply recognize that virtually every top rider for the last 100 years has doped in some way or another. To suddenly pretend that Armstrong was the only guy to do it, and that's why he won, is completely disingenious. What rider was not doing EPO before the test?

As for infidelity, what's that got to do with anything? He usually dates models and other socialites who are jumping in and out of bed with each other all the time. That's just celebrities.

Yes. They are lame excuses for justifying their irrational "dislike" for the man.

I think we're wired with some genetic ability to hate/dislike - which probably had a survival advantage back in the days of tribal warfare. The fact that it is so prevalent in the arena of sports supports my theory.

However, we do not live in tribal warfare times any more, and we all have brains to rise above this primal hate thing which is no longer useful. Engage, folks, engage. Do not be a slave to the irrational primal reactions that come from your amygdala.

 

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At what point does it become OK to like Armstrong? Amazing comeback from cancer, seven Tour wins, inspiration to millions, oldest guy ever to come third, etc?

Poulidor made the podium as a 3rd place when he was 40, in a modern tour (1976)

 

[TheArbiter]

Poulidor made the podium as a 3rd place when he was 40, in a modern tour (1976)

______Do'h!

 

[Ninety5rpm]

Poulidor made the podium as a 3rd place when he was 40, in a modern tour (1976)

That's my man.

 

[TheArbiter]

Yes. They are lame excuses for justifying their irrational "dislike" for the man.

I think we're wired with some genetic ability to hate/dislike - which probably had a survival advantage back in the days of tribal warfare. The fact that it is so prevalent in the arena of sports supports my theory.

However, we do not live in tribal warfare times any more, and we all have brains to rise above this primal hate thing which is no longer useful. Engage, folks, engage. Do not be a slave to the irrational primal reactions that come from your amygdala.

Yes this is true. But the Armstrong hatred seems to be largely an internet thing. Speak to most people who have some interest in cycling in the real world and in my experience they tend to respect Armstrong. Not everything about him, but you can't really argue with 7 tours and cancer comeback. But when you get on the internet, suddenly there are hordes of passionate Armstrong haters who believe the man has single handedly detroyed cycling and zero respect for his achievements. It's very other-worldly.

 

[Eva Maria]

Those are lame excuses, Eva. Who dislikes Zabel (for example) for "doping and cheating"?
Infidelity? If it's Clinton, it's okay (unless you're a Republican), but if it's Armstrong, it's an excuse to dislike.
Lying? Please.

Armstrong is a fascinating and flawed human being, just like you. Why do you have to "like" or "dislike" him? What is this? Jr. High? Grow up.

Just be objective, and accept him for who he is, an ego-centric cancer licking Tour winning dikc, just as you would like others, I presume, to accept you for who you are.

"Junior High"? You must be referring to the groupies scream like schoolgirls when anybody questions their hero.

 

[Ninety5rpm]

Yes this is true. But the Armstrong hatred seems to be largely an internet thing. Speak to most people who have some interest in cycling in the real world and in my experience they tend to respect Armstrong. Not everything about him, but you can't really argue with 7 tours and cancer comeback. But when you get on the internet, suddenly there are hordes of passionate Armstrong haters who believe the man has single handedly detroyed cycling and zero respect for his achievements. It's very other-worldly.

Just yesterday I was talking to a woman at work and somehow Armstrong came up.

"I hate him."

"Why?"

"He's a ****."

 

[Eva Maria]

Yes this is true. But the Armstrong hatred seems to be largely an internet thing. Speak to most people who have some interest in cycling in the real world and in my experience they tend to respect Armstrong. Not everything about him, but you can't really argue with 7 tours and cancer comeback. But when you get on the internet, suddenly there are hordes of passionate Armstrong haters who believe the man has single handedly detroyed cycling and zero respect for his achievements. It's very other-worldly.

I am sure your century riding friends love him. But Europe is the cradle of the sport and they see him for who he is, and don't try to pretend he is something he is not.

 

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I am sure your century riding friends love him. But Europe is the cradle of the sport and they see him for who he is, and don't try to pretend he is something he is not.

You speak for a lot of people. lol

 

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This just in. Asian people now 'see Armstrong for who he is'. I am working on some groups south of the equator right now.

 

[Ninety5rpm]

"Junior High"? You must be referring to the groupies scream like schoolgirls when anybody questions their hero.

Yes, I'm referring to them too.

Those on either side would benefit from a little perspective, and growing up.

 

[Digger]

Those are lame excuses, Eva. Who dislikes Zabel (for example) for "doping and cheating"?
Infidelity? If it's Clinton, it's okay (unless you're a Republican), but if it's Armstrong, it's an excuse to dislike.
Lying? Please.

Armstrong is a fascinating and flawed human being, just like you. Why do you have to "like" or "dislike" him? What is this? Jr. High? Grow up.

Just be objective, and accept him for who he is, an ego-centric cancer licking Tour winning dikc, just as you would like others, I presume, to accept you for who you are.

Erik Zabel - a guy who came clean, being compared to LA
Regarding LA, I tend to not like liars, cheats, bullies, hypocrites, and narcissists...that's just me - each to their own.

 

[Digger]

You speak for a lot of people. lol

He is correct - in the hotbeds of the sport here in Europe, this is the view of the guy. They know what he is, the type of person he is, and how he has achieved his success.

 

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He is correct - in the hotbeds of the sport here in Europe, this is the view of the guy. They know what he is, the type of person he is, and how he has achieved his success.

OK. I just got off the phone with the same people. It turns out there might be a misunderstanding. They are all sorry and hope for a better future of understanding and cooperation.