Longo's Hubster (Ciprelli) arrested!

[Benotti69]

If Patrice Ciprelli and Jeannie Longo are able to travel to North America for another of the latter's off-the-grid "training camps" during which she intentionally files false whereabouts information - if she files at all - it will make a mockery of #antidoping. And should Longo regrettably be permitted to represent France at Olympics (and her husband accredited as technical/coaching staff), anti-doping may be confused as a xenophobic joke in France - perhaps necessitating that one ask why Floyd Landis was persecuted but Longo venerated?

There is an update from Grenoble; Ciprelli is confined to French Territory. Longo is free to travel.

The court confirmed that Ciprelli must remain in France and may not accompany Longo to her training camp in Colorado should she decide to make the trip.

The article does not really explain the reasoning behind the confirmation: I think the court probably decided that Ciprelli could not be relied upon to act only in his capacity as Longo's husband and not as her trainer and he is expressly forbidden to occupy this latter role.

It's difficult to imagine how leaving France would actually make any difference if the authorities are not watching him 24/7 but I think the point is valid.

What's also important - and here the article does spell it out - is that, subject to a final appeal from Ciprelli (which has not yet been decided on), this confirmation also says that if she competes this June and finds herself selected for the Olympics, Longo would have to go there alone too, since last time we checked London ain't France

http://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme-sur-route/Actualites/Sans-ciprelli-pour-l-instant/282926

Thanks to L'arriviste for the above info, sourced from velorooms.

 

[MarkvW]

L'Equipe reports, "La Fédération française, qui s'est portée partie civile dans cette affaire, a plaidé pour le maintien du contrôle judiciaire, via son avocat. Selon la FFC, Jeannie Longo peut bénéficier en stage comme aux JO d'un encadrement technique. Elle devrait jouer sa sélection aux JO lors des championnats de France de Saint-Amand-les-Eaux (21 et 23 juin). «Je m'en tiendrai aux critères sportifs : son histoire de localisation a été classée et l'enquête qui concerne son mari ne l'a pas impliquée, explique la directrice technique nationale Isabelle Gautheron. Si elle cartonne à Saint-Amand, je serai obligée de l'emmener à Londres. » D'ici là, la doyenne aurait obtenu, d'après les informations de L'Equipe, de ne faire partie du groupe cible olympique de l'AFLD qu'à partir de fin juin. L'obligation de localisation 365 jours sur 365 devrait attendre la fin du printemps pour elle."

If Patrice Ciprelli and Jeannie Longo are able to travel to North America for another of the latter's off-the-grid "training camps" during which she intentionally files false whereabouts information - if she files at all - it will make a mockery of #antidoping. And should Longo regrettably be permitted to represent France at Olympics (and her husband accredited as technical/coaching staff), anti-doping may be confused as a xenophobic joke in France - perhaps necessitating that one ask why Floyd Landis was persecuted but Longo venerated?

Floyd "persecuted?" Give me a break. That's like saying Joe Papp was persecuted.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Up speaks a charter member of the Floyd Haters Club.

 

[MarkvW]

Up speaks a charter member of the Floyd Haters Club.

Was Floyd persecuted when he had his TdF win stripped from him?
Was Floyd persecuted by being investigated for his fraud?

Where's the persecution?

 

[joe_papp]

There is an update from Grenoble; Ciprelli is confined to French Territory. Longo is free to travel.
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Thanks to L'arriviste for the above info, sourced from velorooms.

Thanks for sharing the summary update.

What would your response be if someone like Longo agreed to admit to unspecified past doping activity but would provide no details publicly in an attempt to avoid having any "wins" taken away? I believe that Canadian ex-superstar female cyclist Geneviève Jeanson took this tack, admitting she doped or otherwise not denying it, but being very ambiguous about when or clouding the issue so she could hold onto some victories (??).

Is it satisfying enough - in the real world - for an athlete who most people "know" doped to simply say something in code like Ullrich did (I've made mistakes) or would you only be satisfied by a detailed confession that revealed every which race that had been won while she was charging?

Of course, being ambiguous or non-specific in an admission is no guarantee that the rider will achieve the desired result - I admitted starting to dope in July 2001 but can assure you that not every race I rode from then until May 2006 was I charging. In fact, I achieved some results that were later invalidated while completely clean and not actively benefiting from doping. And yet I was disqualified from every result going back to July 2001! D'oh!

I was just talking to Floyd, literally right now, and he was like, "it's a hopeless clown show." If you DQ an admitted doper from a result posted 10+ years ago during an era of epic doping, can you really the assign that victory to another rider w/ any confidence that (s)he wasn't guilty of the same?

Up speaks a charter member of the Floyd Haters Club.

The "ignore list" is great! I had no idea what you were referring to in your post until I realized there were at least two posts (bracketing yours) by someone I must've become annoyed w/ and "ignored" lol.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Was Floyd persecuted when he had his TdF win stripped from him?
Was Floyd persecuted by being investigated for his fraud?

Where's the persecution?

Nope, more of an on-line persecution by dousches* such as yourself.

*stand-in for real term

 

[joe_papp]

Nope, more of an on-line persecution by dousches* such as yourself.

*stand-in for real term

+1,000,000,000,000,000 etc...

 

[Benotti69]

Thanks for sharing the summary update.

What would your response be if someone like Longo agreed to admit to unspecified past doping activity but would provide no details publicly in an attempt to avoid having any "wins" taken away? I believe that Canadian ex-superstar female cyclist Geneviève Jeanson took this tack, admitting she doped or otherwise not denying it, but being very ambiguous about when or clouding the issue so she could hold onto some victories (??).

Is it satisfying enough - in the real world - for an athlete who most people "know" doped to simply say something in code like Ullrich did (I've made mistakes) or would you only be satisfied by a detailed confession that revealed every which race that had been won while she was charging?

Of course, being ambiguous or non-specific in an admission is no guarantee that the rider will achieve the desired result - I admitted starting to dope in July 2001 but can assure you that not every race I rode from then until May 2006 was I charging. In fact, I achieved some results that were later invalidated while completely clean and not actively benefiting from doping. And yet I was disqualified from every result going back to July 2001! D'oh!

I was just talking to Floyd, literally right now, and he was like, "it's a hopeless clown show." If you DQ an admitted doper from a result posted 10+ years ago during an era of epic doping, can you really the assign that victory to another rider w/ any confidence that (s)he wasn't guilty of the same?

I would be satisfied if Longo spilt her guts to get others, suppliers*, Ciprelli, Doctors etc banned or criminal sentences and she kept her wins but was also banned from the sport.


* I know you were a supplier Joe and I know you are currently serving a 'home sentence' and all the rest of your story. But you are only one of what must have been many suppliers over the 30+ year career

I think that new editions must asterix winners. Leave the winner there, like ASO have done with Riis but asterix it to an explanation. The TdF top 10s should include asterixs on nearly every edition as we know most of them doped

 

[Le breton]

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I think that new editions must asterix winners. Leave the winner there, like ASO have done with Riis but asterix it to an explanation. The TdF top 10s should include asterixs on nearly every edition as we know most of them doped

I took a break from house cleaning (lousy weather, rain and wind) for comic relief on the forum, so, thanks .

Asterix (not to be confused with asterisk) or The Adventures of Asterix (French: Astérix or Astérix le Gaulois, IPA: [asteʁiks lə ɡolwa]) is a series of French comic books written by René Goscinny and illustrated by Albert Uderzo (Uderzo also took over the job of writing the series after the death of Goscinny in 1977). The series first appeared in French in the magazine Pilote on October 29, 1959. As of 2009, 34 comic books in the series have been released. signed wiki

Ever since Goscinny died in his Dr's office as a consequence of a stress test (in 1977) I have discouraged people from doing them. As for myself I have them done at the hospital, just in case ....

 

[joe_papp]

I would be satisfied if Longo spilt her guts to get others, suppliers*, Ciprelli, Doctors etc banned or criminal sentences and she kept her wins but was also banned from the sport.


* I know you were a supplier Joe and I know you are currently serving a 'home sentence' and all the rest of your story. But you are only one of what must have been many suppliers over the 30+ year career...

Interesting, so you would be satisfied if Longo delivered a reasonably-full accounting of her activities to the authorities, to enable them to pursue civil, anti-doping, and criminal investigations into those who enabled her doping, even if the specifics of her cheating weren't made public, and even if she was allowed to "keep" her "wins." I think it's interesting b/c I find myself leaning towards being "ok" w/ that outcome, too. (no time to go into the specifics of why right now)

* yes, I was definitely only one of several/many at the time/over time, and rest assured others have already stepped-in to fill the gap left behind by my departure.

 

[Benotti69]

Interesting, so you would be satisfied if Longo delivered a reasonably-full accounting of her activities to the authorities, to enable them to pursue civil, anti-doping, and criminal investigations into those who enabled her doping, even if the specifics of her cheating weren't made public, and even if she was allowed to "keep" her "wins." I think it's interesting b/c I find myself leaning towards being "ok" w/ that outcome, too. (no time to go into the specifics of why right now)

* yes, I was definitely only one of several/many at the time/over time, and rest assured others have already stepped-in to fill the gap left behind by my departure.

I am ok with her keeping her wins because with Ciprelli getting busted will confirm what some of us guessed and now know. She doped and her husband, coach took the bullet. That is the biggest ASTERISK you can put beside her wins

 

[Le breton]

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That is the biggest ASTERISK you can put beside her wins

Cheers. Windy but dry --> I'll go get the bike.

 

[frenchfry]

Longo now her husband ISN'T taking EPO:

1 Pauline Ferrand Prevot
2 Audrey Cordon 0:00:17
3 Edwige Pitel 0:00:41
4 Aude Biannic 0:00:46
5 Jeannie Longo 0:01:05

Jeannie Longo when her husband WAS taking EPO:

1 Jeannie Longo
2 Christel Ferrier Bruneau 42"
3 Audrey Cordon 52"
4 Pauline Ferrand Prevot 57"
5 Edwige Pitel 1'20"

Scientific proof that when your spouse is taking EPO your performance increases significantly. Maybe WADA should be testing Mrs. Wigins and Mrs. Evans.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Longo now her husband ISN'T taking EPO:

1 Pauline Ferrand Prevot
2 Audrey Cordon 0:00:17
3 Edwige Pitel 0:00:41
4 Aude Biannic 0:00:46
5 Jeannie Longo 0:01:05

Jeannie Longo when her husband WAS taking EPO:

1 Jeannie Longo
2 Christel Ferrier Bruneau 42"
3 Audrey Cordon 52"
4 Pauline Ferrand Prevot 57"
5 Edwige Pitel 1'20"

Scientific proof that when your spouse is taking EPO your performance increases significantly. Maybe WADA should be testing Mrs. Wigins and Mrs. Evans.

Or Edwige Pitel's husband. She has picked up 1:44 on Longo.

 

[Polish]

Interesting, so you would be satisfied if Longo delivered a reasonably-full accounting of her activities to the authorities, to enable them to pursue civil, anti-doping, and criminal investigations into those who enabled her doping, even if the specifics of her cheating weren't made public, and even if she was allowed to "keep" her "wins." I think it's interesting b/c I find myself leaning towards being "ok" w/ that outcome, too. (no time to go into the specifics of why right now)

* yes, I was definitely only one of several/many at the time/over time, and rest assured others have already stepped-in to fill the gap left behind by my departure.

I see what you are doing here Joe. Little back and forth banter with your sockpuppet Benotti69.

This is very repugnant Joe. Very repugnant.
Wish I knew how to use USADA Red for my bolding. Does Tygart know you have sockpuppet(s) here in the CN Forums. Did I say repugnant?

Please, do not give me the "I post under MY own name. ME. MY Blog. Looks at ME" bull**** line. repugnant.

Are you still under house arrest? I hope for your sake user Bennoti does not post from somewhere else.

 

[joe_papp]

Longo now her husband ISN'T taking EPO:

1 Pauline Ferrand Prevot
2 Audrey Cordon 0:00:17
3 Edwige Pitel 0:00:41
4 Aude Biannic 0:00:46
5 Jeannie Longo 0:01:05

Jeannie Longo when her husband WAS taking EPO:

1 Jeannie Longo
2 Christel Ferrier Bruneau 42"
3 Audrey Cordon 52"
4 Pauline Ferrand Prevot 57"
5 Edwige Pitel 1'20"

Scientific proof that when your spouse is taking EPO your performance increases significantly. Maybe WADA should be testing Mrs. Wigins and Mrs. Evans.

LOL.

I may have to quote you via Twitter...

 

[Polish]

I would be satisfied if Longo spilt her guts to get others, suppliers*, Ciprelli, Doctors etc banned or criminal sentences and she kept her wins but was also banned from the sport.


* I know you were a supplier Joe and I know you are currently serving a 'home sentence' and all the rest of your story. But you are only one of what must have been many suppliers over the 30+ year career

I think that new editions must asterix winners. Leave the winner there, like ASO have done with Riis but asterix it to an explanation. The TdF top 10s should include asterixs on nearly every edition as we know most of them doped

Cool Story Bro
CSB CSB

 

[Hugh Januss]

Cool Story Bro
CSB CSB

Reported. Kidding

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Reported. Kidding

It only matters if I do it I guess...

 

[Le breton]

Longo now her husband ISN'T taking EPO:

1 Pauline Ferrand Prevot
2 Audrey Cordon 0:00:17
3 Edwige Pitel 0:00:41
4 Aude Biannic 0:00:46
5 Jeannie Longo 0:01:05

Jeannie Longo when her husband WAS taking EPO:

1 Jeannie Longo
2 Christel Ferrier Bruneau 42"
3 Audrey Cordon 52"
4 Pauline Ferrand Prevot 57"
5 Edwige Pitel 1'20"

Scientific proof that when your spouse is taking EPO your performance increases significantly. Maybe WADA should be testing Mrs. Wigins and Mrs. Evans.

Nasty comment apart, don't you think the course was of a type that was the worse possible for Longo?

 

[frenchfry]

Nasty comment apart, don't you think the course was of a type that was the worse possible for Longo?

I think the comment was fairly gentle for someone that has obviously been doping for years and stealing results from younger riders.

Do you really think the EPO was for Mr. Longo?

I am not going to waste my time analysing the course conditions to determine if a pathetic has-been doper was at a disadvantage compared to her competitors.

 

[joe_papp]

I think the comment was fairly gentle for someone that has obviously been doping for years and stealing results from younger riders.

Do you really think the EPO was for Mr. Longo?

I am not going to waste my time analysing the course conditions to determine if a pathetic has-been doper was at a disadvantage compared to her competitors.

If your quote was nasty, it's only b/c you had to reference Longo's doping - a nasty subject. I think calling her "a pathetic has-been doper" (while certainly true in the eyes of some/many) is nastier than making a joke about husband's doping having carry-over effects, improving wife's performance.

Old Longo would've won/dominated regardless of course.

 

[skippy]

Road Race saturday will deterine whether some of the comments are " valid "!

Poor show from the mushroom farm , but would anyone expect otherwise?

 

[frenchfry]

Road Race saturday will deterine whether some of the comments are " valid "!

Poor show from the mushroom farm , but would anyone expect otherwise?

Longo 12th, no more Olympics for her. Nice to see young ladies doing well and showing that a new generation has arrived in French womens cycling.

Apparently Longo was complaining that her drug supplier husband couldn't be there for support. Life's a bit*h.

 

[Le breton]

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Old Longo would've won/dominated regardless of course
.

Check your sources

She did not win the TT in 2004 2005 2007,
nor in 96-7-8.