Look at me, I am a Vegan! Can I persuade you to become one too?

[durianrider]

Now Contador is on the fruit gig. A mate in Spain said he has been watching my youtube vids. If Contador does it right (get enough carb cals(, he will be un touchable in the TDF.

 

[Ulle Relaxes]

Oh God I hope this is true to make the forum self-combust.

Also do you eat durians?

 

[craig1985]

Now Contador is on the fruit gig. A mate in Spain said he has been watching my youtube vids. If Contador does it right (get enough carb cals(, he will be un touchable in the TDF.

Hey I eat plenty of fruit on long rides doesn't mean anything.

 

[Boeing]

for the life of me I cant imagine how to carry fruit on a long ride with out panniers or calculated stops which would take quite a long time

 

[richwagmn]

So if you eat vegan you won't get attacked by a shark? WTF. Or how about you are in their territory and it can happen, even though it doesn't happen often. And I thought sharks weren't fish.

Sharks prefer more fat on their victims I guess?

I understand the health reasons for a vegan (or mostly vegan) diet. I've never understood the morality argument though. We shouldn't eat other animals because...?

 

[Altitude]

Sharks prefer more fat on their victims I guess?

I understand the health reasons for a vegan (or mostly vegan) diet. I've never understood the morality argument though. We shouldn't eat other animals because...?

If you like animals why would you want to eat them? Especially when it's unnecessary?

 

[Granville57]

Now Contador is on the fruit gig. A mate in Spain said he has been watching my youtube vids. If Contador does it right (get enough carb cals(, he will be un touchable in the TDF.

Who is supposedly "watching your vids"? AC or your friend?

That's it, hitch your wagon to Contador. Yes, just think, maybe if he follows your advice he just might win himself of them Tours De France one day.

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A couple of older posts from this thread come to mind.

Durian....I thought we had a deal, we would listen to the Veggie stuff if you posted more hot girlfriend pictures.

The problem with this though is that it's a lose-lose for us.


Then we have perhaps the wisest post to date in this thread. It's the very reason I've stayed out of this thing for so long. But every now and then...

Are people still trying to argue with this pompous, holier-than-thou *******? I would presume people would know by now that there is no real discussion possible with him, unlike some of the other vegans on here and in the world. But this guy is only interested in himself and to aggrandize himself by linking himself with succesful people and his "beautiful" girlfriend. It appears as though he is so insecure that he needs to come on this forum solely to justify his decision and lifestyle to himself

+ 1


Btw, this guy below? Not a vegan.

 

[Kimono]

Btw, this guy below? Not a vegan.

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yeah but just think of how good a fighter he might have been on a vegan diet

 

[Polyarmour]

Sharks prefer more fat on their victims I guess?

I understand the health reasons for a vegan (or mostly vegan) diet. I've never understood the morality argument though. We shouldn't eat other animals because...?

1/. It's destroying the environment.
10 times the land is required for animal protein compared to vegetable protein.
Land degradation. Half the world's crops are used to feed animals. Major loss of natural habitat, 30% of the world's surface, extinction of species etc. 70% of the Amazon is now pasture. If you eat meat you are a major part of this problem.
Water use. 20,000l/kg meat compared to potatoes 500l/kg
51% of all Greenhouse gas emissions come frrom livestock.

2/. Meat is meat.
If you eat meat then there should be no difference between eating cow, chicken, dog or cat. If you have a pet you can't imagine killing it and eating it because you have a personal attachment to it. You believe this animal has a right to a healthy and happy life. Whereas for you, other animals don't. They have a right to be killed and eaten by you. Who decides which animals get eaten and which animals get killed? Koalas are cute and furry so we won't eat them, but kangaroos, no problem. Dolphins look at you with those "knowing" eyes so we won't eat them, but tuna, no problem. We have made a list of what is acceptable to eat and what isn't. This list is largely cultural. Take it to another country and they have different animals on it. Whales in Japan for example. Bats in Sulawesi. The reality is, in absolute terms, there is no list, that all animals have the same right to life as each other. Your pet dog has the same right to a happy life as the lamb in the paddock. If you can't kill your dog and eat it, and you can't kill the lamb in the paddock and eat it (but you're happy to buy this package of meat in plastic in the supermarket because that's not so confronting), then perhaps you shouldn't be eating meat at all.

 

[durianrider]

# Contador uses the fruit based vegan lifestyle to drop weight. So did Tyler Hamilton. Fruit based lifestyles are used increasingly by those that want to experience peak performance. Look it up. Better yet, give it a go and watch the power meter/mirror speak the truth.

# Bruce Lee ate a vegan diet at certain times of his life due to spiritual reasons.

# I find it amusing that the same people that say its ok to eat animals protest about the eating of dogs, horses, cats and other 'pet' animals. How do you say 'hypocritical'?

# People rag on my diet all the time but none of them would come close to holding my wheel up any sort of hill. I thought I was the one with deficiencies? I thought vegan lifestyle made you weak? Its not like Im a newbie, Ive been vegan for almost 11 years now.

# I enjoy stirring the pot and getting people thinking outside the status quo lock box.

 

[elapid]

While meat is meat, there is an emotional component as well. Chinese and other cultures eat dogs because this is traditional and dogs do not have the same emotional attachment as they do to Westerners. Same goes for other species such as cats and horses. Whereas in other cultures, cows are sacred. To over-simplify cultural and emotional influences on what meats are eaten by what people is not hypocritical, just ignorant.

Arguments blaming the meat production on loss of environment and loss of habitat are a bit of a stretch when the loss of the Amazon at such rapid rates is primarily because of logging. Following logging, big corporations then move in and use the logged land for large-scale cattle operations as well as mining and hydroelectric operations. The large-scale cattle operations are run by big business and that, in combination with logging, mining and power generation, are influenced by money and greed. Cattle or other meats are not the impetus for the loss of environments such as the Amazonian rainforests.

Contador and Bruce Lee ate fruit diets for specific reasons, weight loss and spiritual reasons respectively. An all fruit diet is/was not their normal diet. Using them as poster children for a vegan diet is wrong because they are not vegans.

I have no problem with people chosing whatever diets they want to eat, and presenting the appropriate information to inform the rest of us of the benefits and disadvantages of these diets, but some of this stuff is just ridiculous.

 

[craig1985]

Harley, I know a few people who aren't vegans and can climb pretty quickly uphill. As for weight loss, I've lost about 11kg in the last 6 months.

 

[Polyarmour]

While meat is meat, there is an emotional component as well. Chinese and other cultures eat dogs because this is traditional and dogs do not have the same emotional attachment as they do to Westerners. Same goes for other species such as cats and horses. Whereas in other cultures, cows are sacred. To over-simplify cultural and emotional influences on what meats are eaten by what people is not hypocritical, just ignorant.

Arguments blaming the meat production on loss of environment and loss of habitat are a bit of a stretch when the loss of the Amazon at such rapid rates is primarily because of logging. Following logging, big corporations then move in and use the logged land for large-scale cattle operations as well as mining and hydroelectric operations. The large-scale cattle operations are run by big business and that, in combination with logging, mining and power generation, are influenced by money and greed. Cattle or other meats are not the impetus for the loss of environments such as the Amazonian rainforests.

Contador and Bruce Lee ate fruit diets for specific reasons, weight loss and spiritual reasons respectively. An all fruit diet is/was not their normal diet. Using them as poster children for a vegan diet is wrong because they are not vegans.

I have no problem with people chosing whatever diets they want to eat, and presenting the appropriate information to inform the rest of us of the benefits and disadvantages of these diets, but some of this stuff is just ridiculous.

Hiding behind cultural constructs doesn't make a thing right. Maybe my culture is to eat endangered Dugongs, is that ok too?

The economics behind deforestation has to include the value of the land as pasture after it has been cleared. If no-one ate meat it would have no residual value as pasture, it would be less attractive to log.

30% of the Earth's land area is devoted to rasing animals for human consumption. The only "stretch" is to suggest that eating meat is not contributing to loss of natural habitat.

 

[durianrider]

Basically in 2012 nobody has any excuses any more to stuff their faces with animal products that have been proven OVER & OVER to increase chances of heart disease, cancer, diabetes, obesity, stroke, osteoporosis, mercury poisoning etc.

The worlds oceans are in turmoil from the desire to eat sea creatures. From sardines to whales, all species are becoming minimised.

The worlds forrests are being clear cut at never before rates to produce grains to feed livestock or pasture to feed livestock.

Water usage and pollution is also at the highest levels ever in human history and the worlds biggest users and polluters of water are the animal product industry.

There aint no excuses no more.

Especially when you have a long term vegan like me that rides an 11kg bike and drops almost everyone I ride with. Even world famous riders are using vegan diets more and more as part of their tool box for important races. Give it another 5 years and its going to hit mainstream even more.

If you love animals and decided to stop eating them, then feel free to do so. Its ok to listen to your heart and become deficient in dogma. Dont let society tell you what acceptable when it comes to destruction of the environment, your health and the animals.

Peace.

 

[elapid]

Hiding behind cultural constructs doesn't make a thing right. Maybe my culture is to eat endangered Dugongs, is that ok too?

No one is hiding. Chinese people continue to eat dogs. Japanese and Norwegian people continue to eat whales. Westerners continue to eat cattle and sheep. Do I personally agree eating dugongs or anything else endangered is right? No. But there is a difference in eating something endangered and eating meat from sources that are not endangered.

The economics behind deforestation has to include the value of the land as pasture after it has been cleared. If no-one ate meat it would have no residual value as pasture, it would be less attractive to log.

The economics to the loggers is logging. Period. The businesses that move in afterwards have little to do with logging. They are taking advantage of the new ecosystem, but logging is still the prime cause of deforestation and not the other industries that follow.

30% of the Earth's land area is devoted to rasing animals for human consumption. The only "stretch" is to suggest that eating meat is not contributing to loss of natural habitat.

I have no argument with your statistics, the amount of land that is used for raising animals, or the subsequent impact that animals have on the environment through carbon dioxide emissions and greenhouse gases.

Many of the same arguments can be used against growing crops as well, whether they be for consumption by people or livestock: pesticides, water use, genetic engineering, erosion, reduced fertility, etc. Everything we, as humans, do has an impact on the environment, whether we eat meat or are vegetarians.

 

[elapid]

Basically in 2012 nobody has any excuses any more to stuff their faces with animal products that have been proven OVER & OVER to increase chances of heart disease, cancer, diabetes, obesity, stroke, osteoporosis, mercury poisoning etc.

The worlds oceans are in turmoil from the desire to eat sea creatures. From sardines to whales, all species are becoming minimised.

The worlds forrests are being clear cut at never before rates to produce grains to feed livestock or pasture to feed livestock.

Water usage and pollution is also at the highest levels ever in human history and the worlds biggest users and polluters of water are the animal product industry.

There aint no excuses no more.

Especially when you have a long term vegan like me that rides an 11kg bike and drops almost everyone I ride with. Even world famous riders are using vegan diets more and more as part of their tool box for important races. Give it another 5 years and its going to hit mainstream even more.

If you love animals and decided to stop eating them, then feel free to do so. Its ok to listen to your heart and become deficient in dogma. Dont let society tell you what acceptable when it comes to destruction of the environment, your health and the animals.

Peace.

I know your intentions are good DR, but broad brush strokes taken as facts do not help your cause. Water usage and pollution is a huge problem, but while water usage in the animal industry contributes to this problem it is not the biggest user and polluter of water. Domestic, industrial and agricultural (non-animal-related) sources are all significant contributors to this problem. You just need to look at a nearby region to you to see how non-animal production-related agriculture misuses water. The entire irrigation-based fruit growing region around Mildura is a major misuse of valuable and scant water resources.

Because you are vegan and can beat everyone your ride with doesn't mean that that your diet or skills are responsible. You do well on a vegan diet whereas other do not. As stated before, because Contador or Bruce Lee have eaten a fruit diet for a short time does not make them vegan or post-children for the vegan lifestyle. There are many, many examples of world-class athletes who are not vegan, including Contador and Bruce Lee amongst many thousands of others. And you may just ride with a slow group of riders

As far as society dictating what most of us here eat ... pffff. That's just as likely as presuming that you are going to influence what we eat. That's obviously not happening. Most of us on this forum possess a certain level of intelligence that allows us to make decisions by ourselves for ourselves without being influenced by a some sort of malevolent society.

 

[craig1985]

I guess we all should throw our mobile phones in the bin, I mean you know the cancer links and for all the smartphones have coltan in it, sourced from Africa, where the Silverback Gorilla live. Dang.

 

[simo1733]

I guess we all should throw our mobile phones in the bin, I mean you know the cancer links and for all the smartphones have coltan in it, sourced from Africa, where the Silverback Gorilla live. Dang.

There you go,Gorilla's being victimised for their vegan lifestyle.I bet they could beat almost everyone on a climb.

 

[durianrider]

Time for a breather. Check out my video in the general section here or youtube 'sh*t cyclists say: aussie version'.

 

[Boeing]

"creep'n" I love that one, it is a new one to me. Can I use it here in socal?

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

I know your intentions are good DR, but broad brush strokes taken as facts do not help your cause...As far as society dictating what most of us here eat ... pffff.

Excellent post. Sums up the entire discussion fairly well.

 

[richwagmn]

30% of the Earth's land area is devoted to rasing animals for human consumption. The only "stretch" is to suggest that eating meat is not contributing to loss of natural habitat.

Source?

Deserts aren't usable. Antartica isn't. Much of the land in North American from Alaska northwards.

Do you count animals grazing also? How is grazing (say in the western US) exclusive to raising animals for food?.

What about corn used for ethanol where the silage and waste is fed to animals? Is that exclusively for animal production?

 

[STODRR]

The economics behind deforestation has to include the value of the land as pasture after it has been cleared. If no-one ate meat it would have no residual value as pasture, it would be less attractive to log.

No it would have valure to grow crops for consumption. Stupid premise the lumber would still have value.

 

[STODRR]

Source?

Deserts aren't usable. Antartica isn't. Much of the land in North American from Alaska northwards.

Do you count animals grazing also? How is grazing (say in the western US) exclusive to raising animals for food?.

What about corn used for ethanol where the silage and waste is fed to animals? Is that exclusively for animal production?

About every enviro - wacko and vegen site claims it.

 

[Captain Serious]

Who is supposedly "watching your vids"? AC or your friend?

I know of at least one person who saw at least one of his videos

"Raw vegan and serial attention-who're Harley “Durianrider” Johnstone also gets a few mentions (by Tom Billings), for allegations of welfare fraud and physical threats against fellow vegan David Wolfe. The latter filed a lawsuit against Johnstone for infringement of copyright and libel."http://anthonycolpo.com/?p=2928

Investigating Raw Vegan and Other Diet Gurus:
Can You Trust Them?
http://www.beyondveg.com/billings-t/special/raw-vegan-gurus.shtml

Lawsuit, Wolfe vs 'Durian':
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&...OTY3MS00OTFmLTlmYzQtM2NiNmZiMDJmYjUw&hl=en_US

Dudrian, the jig's up. I think you should go away and live out your life quietly with the other anaemic, gum-receding, b12-deficient hippies in Jindibah. How do you feel about being the worse thing for veganism ever? You've set the movement back 50 years.

And can ya stop braggin about pwning dudes on steep hills??! Crikey! Big deal! At your sickly, raw food, vegan-induced weight of 65kg (at, what? 6ft1"), you'd only have to generate about 150 watts to drop club-level riders. I've never heard you beat your chest about smashing dudes on flat roads, where real power/strength is required. Lemme guess: you rocked up to your first D-grade crit a few years ago, and got spat out the back on the first corner? Shame.