Look at me, I am a Vegan! Can I persuade you to become one too?

[Barrus]

The person I was referring too in the video said to me afterwards, 'You know you dont BS people like other people do, you just say it straight up and I wanted to say thank you. Keep telling people what they need to hear vs what they want to hear..'

I give talks all over the globe. People that want to hear it straight up with no silly talk enjoy my style. I understand if it offends people thats why there is a warning at the start of my honest videos! I help people get results for themselves. There is enough personal trainers talking fluff out there. People are desiring the truth more and more.

Most people dont want real solutions. They want comforters. When I worked in the cycling industry people wanted to spend big bucks on crap they didnt really need. They didnt want to hear about improving their flexibility or losing weight off their gut vs their fork steerer. I accept that but it doesnt mean I aint gonna be honest with people.

Even so, if you brought it the way you brought it in the video you would get smacked, there is a difference between being straightforwarded and coming across as a total inconsidered and arrogant asshat. You're style makes it for a lot of people completely impossible to take you or your information serious, which ensures that the majority of the audience you try to get the message to across does not listen to your message. This is a fundamental flaw and completely destroys your credibility and makes it look as though your videos and your talks are only made for self-aggrandizement and makes you look even more like an arrogant asshat.

As I said, learn some humility, you are not all knowing and all powerful, or at least attempt to show some humility, it would help your cause a lot more

 

[durianrider]

and judging by the popularity of this thread, lots of cyclists are eager to take advice from people getting the results they desire. They say the truth will set you free, but first its gonna **** you off!

 

[Barrus]

and judging by the popularity of this thread, lots of cyclists are eager to take advice from people getting the results they desire. They say the truth will set you free, but first its gonna **** you off!

Not really, most or ****ed of by you and your posts and thus only come in here to moan about you

 

[durianrider]

Even so, if you brought it the way you brought it in the video you would get smacked, there is a difference between being straightforwarded and coming across as a total inconsidered and arrogant asshat. You're style makes it for a lot of people completely impossible to take you or your information serious, which ensures that the majority of the audience you try to get the message to across does not listen to your message. This is a fundamental flaw and completely destroys your credibility and makes it look as though your videos and your talks are only made for self-aggrandizement and makes you look even more like an arrogant asshat.

As I said, learn some humility, you are not all knowing and all powerful, or at least attempt to show some humility, it would help your cause a lot more

Sounds like the pot calling the kettle black. 'Harley, dont tell people what to do! But its ok for me to tell you what to do!, Dont judge people but its ok that I judge you judging others! You sound arrogant! but I dont!'

Does that make sense?

I encourage people to judge, give advice and question whats encouraged by certain industries that dont have your best interests at hand.

 

[durianrider]

How much training is enough?

If you dont like to hear it how it is, please dont watch this vid. Lets keep this thread open for winners not whiners.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGDTNZ6UiEA

Today I went out again with world road champ Alessandro Ballan and the BMC crew. Its amazing watching them ride so easy and keeping things under control so they have enough zing for race day.

If in doubt ALWAYS train smarter vs harder. Get more sleep, water and carbs. Works 100% of the time. Sure people can try short cuts but they NEVER work longterm.

Lots of people get desperate and try and speed up their progress. Doesnt work that way, the body has its own agenda. If you dehydrate, dont get enough sleep, undereat carbs on purpose or via ignorance then your body will shut you down eventually.

Who needs down time when all we have is life time?

 

[Barrus]

Sounds like the pot calling the kettle black. 'Harley, dont tell people what to do! But its ok for me to tell you what to do!, Dont judge people but its ok that I judge you judging others! You sound arrogant! but I dont!'

Does that make sense?

I encourage people to judge, give advice and question whats encouraged by certain industries that dont have your best interests at hand.

I don't make videos so others can see how awesome I am

 

[durianrider]

I do what I do to empower others with empowering information.

If you want to make a difference in the world, you gotta give up caring about the status quo thinks of you. Managers accept the status quo, leaders challenge it.

 

[Barrus]

I do what I do to empower others with empowering information.

If you want to make a difference in the world, you gotta give up caring about the status quo thinks of you. Managers accept the status quo, leaders challenge it.

And this is the attitude that puts off the majority about your videos you believe you are better than others, or at least present it in such a way. And you assume things about others that you cannot know and that comes across as condescending. Whose to say I do not make a difference or attempt to make a difference? I am just saying that if you really are doing it to make a difference you should approach in it a different manner, a manner that would ensure a lot more that the message you attempt to get across gets across to a larger group and is taken seriously by more people. The manner in which you present it, it appears you care more about yourself than the message, which is very off-putting and ensures that only people who already have the same frame of mind that you have listen to the message and are empowered with their belief that they are right. To be more bluntly the only one you are preaching to is to yourself and to a congregation of people who already have the same ideas.

 

[Archibald]

People just don't appreciate having a lifestyle thrust upon them in a manner that suggests their choices are unhealthy or ill-suited to them, while the messenger is Adonis himself.

but if he was some self-righteous fat old bat on tv, like Oprah, then everyone would listen?
why should that make a difference?

 

[Polyarmour]

People just don't appreciate having a lifestyle thrust upon them in a manner that suggests their choices are unhealthy or ill-suited to them, while the messenger is Adonis himself.

The irony is that if you are vegetarian or vegan you are constantly under attack from others who believe they need to educate you on how to eat. All you need to do is go to a restaurant in a mixed group and order a vegetarian meal and soon enough some busy body will be questioning your choices. Even at my own dinner table I have to regularly argue my case and defend myself. Yes it's fine for meateaters to lecture ad infinitum on their favourite issues, protein, B12 etc etc, but suggest that people eat more fruit and suddenly you're an extremist egomaniac???

 

[lostintime]

The truth does set one free . . . . very true. Sadly, many have forgotten what freedom is.

Many here appear offended by durianriders message .... or how he delivers it. If one could step back for a moment out of your ego-self(for lack of better words) ..... you'd see that in order to be offended . . . one accepts that at least part of what is being said is true. If you're offended by his manner .... take a look in the mirror and tell me you are not, or have not acted the very same. You can lie to yourself all you want ..... but one cannot hide . It will manifest somehow. . .. and in most it's anger. It takes an anger to know anger. It's takes a jerk to know a jerk.

Okay, it was said here we're not slinging arrows, we're slinging rotten fruit. No difference. Slinging is slinging. We think it's in good fun . . . ha ha . . . . but it's not .
That "good fun" is code for "I feel like a miserable human being and I'll strike anyone that points that out to me".

Maybe it's not his "place" to do you say? If not him ..... who? I'll just be someone else. another face to lash back at. You mean we have the luxury to choose who comes around to wake me up? Hardly. That's like saying you can choose the weather.

I'm sure these words can irk some too. So be it. Maybe if we all stopped worrying about making everyone our best buddy... thereby going along with the sleepy status quo of unconsciousness . . . we could change ourselves. . . hence . . . live in a better world. But sleepy people roll their eyes at the very prospect. . . .they're so asleep they want nothing more than to not be disturbed. Sorry .. . . are we meant to go through life asleep at the wheel?

 

[Archibald]

this is true, you shouldn't just accept info you're getting without being critical about it or knowing where it came from.
about the McGraw Hill book, it gives a lot of references and it has been checked by 100 Doctors in Biology before being published. In a case like that one can hardly argue about the 'correctness' of the info ...

why can't you argue with the correctness? less than a century ago, the height of the medical world would have had more than 100 doctors telling you how good leeches were for treating many illnesses...
a while back you'd have had many people telling you the world was flat - plenty of geographers too, but again, not something proven to be correct

absolutely no reason you can't question something - if that never happened, there'd never be any progress...
there are very few absolutes in this world

 

[pedaling squares]

but if he was some self-righteous fat old bat on tv, like Oprah, then everyone would listen?
why should that make a difference?

Er... I didn't write anything of the sort. If you're going to quote my text, why misrepresent it?

 

[pedaling squares]

The irony is that if you are vegetarian or vegan you are constantly under attack from others who believe they need to educate you on how to eat.

See, if only you ate meat you would be strong enough to fight them off.

 

[pedaling squares]

It takes an anger to know anger. It's takes a jerk to know a jerk.

Yeah. Good point. So... it takes arrogance to know arrogance? And insecurity to know insecurity? I guess it takes violence to know violence too. Dem victims of domestic violence were jes' askin' fer it.

 

[AngusW]

If you dont like to hear it how it is, please dont watch this vid. Lets keep this thread open for winners not whiners.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGDTNZ6UiEA

Today I went out again with world road champ Alessandro Ballan and the BMC crew. Its amazing watching them ride so easy and keeping things under control so they have enough zing for race day.

If in doubt ALWAYS train smarter vs harder. Get more sleep, water and carbs. Works 100% of the time. Sure people can try short cuts but they NEVER work longterm.

Lots of people get desperate and try and speed up their progress. Doesnt work that way, the body has its own agenda. If you dehydrate, dont get enough sleep, undereat carbs on purpose or via ignorance then your body will shut you down eventually.

Who needs down time when all we have is life time?

Just out of interest, durianrider, how many of these professional cyclists you go biking with are vegans?

 

[lostintime]

Yeah. Good point. So... it takes arrogance to know arrogance? And insecurity to know insecurity? I guess it takes violence to know violence too. Dem victims of domestic violence were jes' askin' fer it.

There is no place in another that I am not capable of visiting myself.

Do you think you have the corner on smart remarks, righteousness, anger, peace or any other emotion? Do you think you are immune? So you think your crap doesn't smell?

Take a look in the mirror. If you can't see what I'm sayin' .... you're letting yourself be fooled.

 

[Martin318is]

Yes it's fine for meateaters to lecture ad infinitum on their favourite issues, protein, B12 etc etc, but suggest that people eat more fruit and suddenly you're an extremist egomaniac???

Woah! back up a second!

Lets get this clear - what is actually happening here is that Harley is the one that is lecturing and talking down to people and some members here are pointing out that he would be more successful if he did - as you say - just suggest that people eat more fruit.

Lets try not to spin it into something it isn't. There are a lot of pro-vegetarian people here who also agree that Durianrider needs to modify his style to be more successful.

 

[Martin318is]

Many here appear offended by durianriders message .... or how he delivers it. If one could step back for a moment out of your ego-self(for lack of better words) ..... you'd see that in order to be offended . . . one accepts that at least part of what is being said is true.

Except that nobody is offended by the video. They just think that Durianrider is narcisistic and preachy. I for one think it is a shame that he isn't willing to listen to the comments such as those by Barrus. If he did so he would probably increase the success of his work 10-fold.

The massive assumption being made by yourself and a couple of others is that anyone who demonstrates a negative view in this thread is therefore an overweight unhappy meat-eater.

The actual fact is that amongst those who have seen his video, some stick-thin hpapy vegans agree with the comments that Barrus has made regarding Harley's method of delivery.

 

[usedtobefast]

Yeah. Good point. So... it takes arrogance to know arrogance? And insecurity to know insecurity? I guess it takes violence to know violence too. Dem victims of domestic violence were jes' askin' fer it.

seriously. the old sh-it from shinola. we know it when we smell it.

 

[Barrus]

The massive assumption being made by yourself and a couple of others is that anyone who demonstrates a negative view in this thread is therefore an overweight unhappy meat-eater.

Just to make it clear, I am an overweight meat-eater, BUT I am very happy.

 

[craig1985]

Just out of interest, durianrider, how many of these professional cyclists you go biking with are vegans?

I'm not sure if he has ridden with him, but David Zabriskie recently went vegan.

 

[durianrider]

Just out of interest, durianrider, how many of these professional cyclists you go biking with are vegans?

Only Dave Zabriskie is a full time vegan.

Cadel, Lance, Basso, Contador, Hamilton eat vegan when they want to cut weight. You know when guys like this are doing it and dont give an f about the animals/planet that there is something in it.

But that question is like someone having a bling madone 10 years ago and saying 'this is the bomb!' and someone saying 'how many pro riders ride a madone with carbon wheels and 11 speed mate? Your crazy!'

Does that make sense?

Einstein (vegetarian) said that the thinking that got us here today isnt the same thinking that will carry us to the future.

30 years ago people ate steak before a race. I was talking with Allan Pieper and Perry from HTC today and they said 'last night the guys ate steaks and fcuk knows how they can ride properly..'

 

[durianrider]

I havent riden with Zabriskie but Ive gone camping with Phill Liggetts wife Trish and have trained with Vaughters and Lance, so surely thats close enough?

Did a 2 hour recovery spin with Astana today.

 

[durianrider]

Saying 'well only zabriskie is a vegan..' is a bit like saying 'Only Lance rides a carbon bike, only Lemond uses aero bars, only Coppi eats cereal for breakfast, only japanese use shimano, only geeks use sti, only idiots use clip in pedals, only posers ride carbon soled shoes, only lazy people ride clinchers, only rich people ride carbon aero rims, only hollywood people have personal trainers, only Bill Gates has a lap top...

At one point in time you would be considered 'normal' by the status quo by saying the above. Now you would look like a damm fool! Mister T style!

If you want to get fit in life, its like cycling. You gotta smash the status quo mainstream redneck beliefs like you do climbs. Yeah its uncomfortable at the start but you'll get used to it..