Male Cyclist of the year (2014)?

[sagard]

Cancellara won a grand total of one race this year.

Might want to update your sarcasm detector.

But then again maybe your right. Who knows, us Cance fanboys can go to toe to toe with Alberto fans.

 

[Netserk]

Might want to update your sarcasm detector.

But then again maybe your right. Who knows, us Cance fanboys can go to toe to toe with Alberto fans.

Yours had a false-positive if you think Echoes was kidding. He's dead serious.

 

[The Hitch]

Yours had a false-positive if you think Echoes was kidding. He's dead serious.

No he's not. Like all trolls he gets frustrated when no one engages him so he natrurally responds by posting more radical and ridiculous things hoping the more extreme he goes the more likely people will finally start engaging.

If all he wanted was to post his calm opinion he wouldn't hijack threads. Going into every TDF thread to attack and insult people as being fake fans etc is the behaviour of someone craving attention.

 

[Echoes]

Lol of course I'm dead serious since I'm right. At least regarding Cancellara & Terpstra. The rest was a bit of a joke.

I note that nobody can come up with convincing counter-arguments except the usual adhominems (troll) or factual errors (that Cancellara only won one race).

My view is extreme, lol. Only for those who don't know anything at cycling. My opinion is shared by most riders, so...

From VCN:

contador,vélo d'or, ça me confirme que toutes ces récompenses subjectives (oscars, césars, ballon d'or, médailles olympiques de gym, etc; c'est d'la merde)

"Contador, Vélo d'or, it's a confirmation to me that all these subjective awards (Oscars, Césars, Ballon d'or, Olympic medals in gym, etc), it's sh*t."

Ouais, super, vive le calendrier des monomaniaques des GT
Pourquoi conserver des classiques, je vous demande un peu
vraiment n'importe quoi, comme tu dis...

"Yeah, super, long live the calendar of the GT monomaniacs
Why then keep classics, I'm askinng you...
Real crap, as you say."

When I think of it, when I registered on CN, that forum was a real GT monomaniac sh*t and CN was very good but in 5 years, I have the feeling that the "situation" is reversed.

Lol just need to see all these threads started or bumped because of the new ToF route, about 7/8 of them. And always the same GT monomaniacs starting those threads ...

 

[El Pistolero]

Gerrans had twice the classic season Cancellara had. Maybe three times better.

 

[Angliru]

Lol of course I'm dead serious since I'm right. At least regarding Cancellara & Terpstra. The rest was a bit of a joke.

I note that nobody can come up with convincing counter-arguments except the usual adhominems (troll) or factual errors (that Cancellara only won one race).

My view is extreme, lol. Only for those who don't know anything at cycling. My opinion is shared by most riders, so...

From VCN:

contador,vélo d'or, ça me confirme que toutes ces récompenses subjectives (oscars, césars, ballon d'or, médailles olympiques de gym, etc; c'est d'la merde)

"Contador, Vélo d'or, it's a confirmation to me that all these subjective awards (Oscars, Césars, Ballon d'or, Olympic medals in gym, etc), it's sh*t."

Ouais, super, vive le calendrier des monomaniaques des GT
Pourquoi conserver des classiques, je vous demande un peu
vraiment n'importe quoi, comme tu dis...

"Yeah, super, long live the calendar of the GT monomaniacs
Why then keep classics, I'm askinng you...
Real crap, as you say."

When I think of it, when I registered on CN, that forum was a real GT monomaniac sh*t and CN was very good but in 5 years, I have the feeling that the "situation" is reversed.

Lol just need to see all these threads started or bumped because of the new ToF route, about 7/8 of them. And always the same GT monomaniacs starting those threads ...

What makes you any different than the GT monomaniacs that you abhor? You're just at the opposite end of the spectrum with your extreme philosophy. Cycling consists of all of these disciplines, favoring one over another is fine but your ideas are way over the top.

 

[ILovecycling]

Gerrans had twice the classic season Cancellara had. Maybe three times better.

**** you alive
Cance season wasn't extraordinary that's true

 

[scholar]

Cancellara won a grand total of one race this year.

But what a race it was.

 

[Afrank]

Gerrans had twice the classic season Cancellara had. Maybe three times better.

Nice to have you back Pisti.

Definitely not a fantastic season for Cance this year, decent enough though, got some podiums and a monument win.

I have a suspicion he might be entering the time when his career begins to slowly wind down.

 

[El Pistolero]

Nice to have you back Pisti.

Definitely not a fantastic season for Cance this year, decent enough though, got some podiums and a monument win.

I have a suspicion he might be entering the time when his career begins to slowly wind down.

Yeah, I'd trade Phil's season in for Cancellara. A monument is still a monument. But he can't possibly be considered cyclist of the year with one real victory (he probably also won the Suisse TT championship, can't be bothered to check).

Abandoning the Tour and Vuelta to be in top form for the WC and then not feature at all must have been quite a letdown for Cancellara.

He'll probably win the Ronde next year as well, can't really see anyone beating him on that parcours. Maybe Kristoff, Sagan and Degenkolb push it to the next level. Wondering when the new generation will finally leave behind the old generation (Boonen and Cancellara) in the cobbled classics. It's been overdue.

 

[Netserk]

Yeah, I'd trade Phil's season in for Cancellara. A monument is still a monument. But he can't possibly be considered cyclist of the year with one real victory (he probably also won the Suisse TT championship, can't be bothered to check).

Abandoning the Tour and Vuelta to be in top form for the WC and then not feature at all must have been quite a letdown for Cancellara.

He'll probably win the Ronde next year as well, can't really see anyone beating him on that parcours. Maybe Kristoff, Sagan and Degenkolb push it to the next level. Wondering when the new generation will finally leave behind the old generation (Boonen and Cancellara) in the cobbled classics. It's been overdue.

I can see Kristoff, Sagan or Boonen win it next. Like this year Canc won't be able to drop everyone and just TT to the finish, and I think either of the mentioned will either be with him on the hills or make it back.

Just remember how strong Boonen was the last spring without bad luck.

 

[Bushman]

Nice to have you back Pisti.

Definitely not a fantastic season for Cance this year, decent enough though, got some podiums and a monument win.

I have a suspicion he might be entering the time when his career begins to slowly wind down.

You have a suspicion? He is clearly on the decline already. 2012 was his last year on absolute top level but sadly he crashed. 2013 he was still very strong, but a little weaker than his best years. 2014 he was 'only' amongst the strongest in the cobbled classics but couldnt distance his competitors.

 

[Echoes]

His 2011 season was already lesser than his 2010 one.

Being past his prime does not mean he's reduced to a total mug. Cancellara is still a better rider to any specialized classic riders, even if he'll never reach his 2010 level again.

He's no longer the best ITT rider but still among the best in that field too, which means one of the biggest engines. But since Martin T. does not give a crap about the classics, he will never be a rider for the ages.

Anyway if you aren't impressed with Cancellara's season, take Terpstra. He's won 4 races of good calibre + Paris-Roubaix. Possibility to a 5th win of note, at the moment.

 

[OlavEH]

His 2011 season was already lesser than his 2010 one.

Being past his prime does not mean he's reduced to a total mug. Cancellara is still a better rider to any specialized classic riders, even if he'll never reach his 2010 level again.

He's no longer the best ITT rider but still among the best in that field too, which means one of the biggest engines. But since Martin T. does not give a crap about the classics, he will never be a rider for the ages.

Anyway if you aren't impressed with Cancellara's season, take Terpstra. He's won 4 races of good calibre + Paris-Roubaix. Possibility to a 5th win of note, at the moment.

Cancellara is a fantastic rider. He has finished on the podium in the last 12 monuments where has started except for RVV in 2012 where he crashed out and did not finish. 12 podiums places in a row. That is no less than fantastic. He will definitely be remembered as on of the best classic riders in the history of cycling.

 

[El Pistolero]

I can see Kristoff, Sagan or Boonen win it next. Like this year Canc won't be able to drop everyone and just TT to the finish, and I think either of the mentioned will either be with him on the hills or make it back.

Just remember how strong Boonen was the last spring without bad luck.

Meh, even in 2012 he struggled on the hills of the Ronde. I sadly don't see him winning a Monument anymore. But if he does win one, it will be Roubaix I think.

At this point in his career I'll be glad if he wins semi-classics like Omloop het Nieuwsblad, Kuurne-Brussel-Kuurne, Dwars door Vlaanderen, E3 Harelbeke and Gent-Wevelgem.

 

[Echoes]

He will definitely be remembered as on of the best classic riders in the history of cycling.

Or one of the best rider, pure and simply.

I meant Tony Martin is not a rider for the ages. Cancellara definitely is. The best rider of his generation.

 

[barmaher]

I would say that in the last 10 years, Cancellara is arguably the top dog.

You can throw in Boonen, Contador and maybe one or two others into the mix.

But given he is for sure Top 3 in the last 10 years, he is in the running as an all-time great.

He is one more MSR and a WCRR away from beating any arguments about deserving a seat at the very top table. I think last year is his last chance to do this, as Mother Time will catch him very soon.

 

[cineteq]

What's the title of this thread again?

 

[Bushman]

His 2011 season was already lesser than his 2010 one.

Being past his prime does not mean he's reduced to a total mug. Cancellara is still a better rider to any specialized classic riders, even if he'll never reach his 2010 level again.

He's no longer the best ITT rider but still among the best in that field too, which means one of the biggest engines. But since Martin T. does not give a crap about the classics, he will never be a rider for the ages.

Anyway if you aren't impressed with Cancellara's season, take Terpstra. He's won 4 races of good calibre + Paris-Roubaix. Possibility to a 5th win of note, at the moment.

His results were worse yes but he wasn't weaker. Look at his monster ride in Ronde 2011.

 

[Bushman]

What's the title of this thread again?

The title is right above the poll, y'know

 

[El Pistolero]

I would say that in the last 10 years, Cancellara is arguably the top dog.

You can throw in Boonen, Contador and maybe one or two others into the mix.

But given he is for sure Top 3 in the last 10 years, he is in the running as an all-time great.

He is one more MSR and a WCRR away from beating any arguments about deserving a seat at the very top table. I think last year is his last chance to do this, as Mother Time will catch him very soon.

Contador has the best palmares in my opinion, if we don't exclude his wins that were taken away. Also Contador has been very unlucky in his career, Cancellara not so much.

I guess it depends on how much you value his WC TT wins, but the fact that Cancellara only won one long TT in the Tour says a lot. Tour has a better field than the WC TT.

It's hard to compare the Tour to the monuments, but if you asked me what I would rather win: the Ronde and Roubaix or the Tour I'd go for the latter. Let's be honest, Roubaix doesn't have the best of fields. Although it's improving lately with Kristoff, Degenkolb, Sagan. Riders that also win big races outside the cobbled classics (unlike guys like Vanmarcke, Vansummeren, Nuyens, Terpstra, Devolder, O' Grady, etc)

Bit of a shame that the chauvinistic organisers of the Tour de Suisse built a parcours in 2009 so only Cancellara could win. It cheapens the race and I don't rate wins like that highly.

But Cancellara, Boonen and Contador are by far the best 3 riders of this century. I don't see anyone who comes close currently (could change of course in the future with all those talented young riders). Valverde is about 5 Monuments and a Worlds title behind.

 

[Netserk]

Tommeke has been more unlucky than Alberto though.

 

[El Pistolero]

Tommeke has been more unlucky than Alberto though.

Disagree, Contador had a life threatening condition.

 

[Netserk]

Disagree, Contador had a life threatening condition.

I'm talking career wise.

But I'd say it's worse to lose an unborn child than surviving something that could have killed you.

 

[El Pistolero]

I'm talking career wise.

But I'd say it's worse to lose an unborn child than surviving something that could have killed you.

I disagree again, but I don't have a special wish for children anyway.

Besides, he's having twins now.

And career wise it's also Contador, mostly because of the ban and 2 GTs being taken away.