Male Cyclist of the year (2014)?

[cineteq]

All fair points, and you're all right, of course. Nonetheless, it's worth remembering firstly that Nibali won the Tour, rather than merely finishing it, and secondly, and more importantly, that crashes aren't only a matter of luck, but also of positioning, handling, and pressure as a result of GC standings.

Some posters continue to banalize crashes saying that they're matter of luck or acts of god.

 

[Jspear]

Some posters continue to banalize crashes saying that they're matter of luck or acts of god.

When Nibali crashes is it poor bike handling skills?

 

[Netserk]

Some posters continue to banalize crashes saying that they're matter of luck or acts of god.

So why does Nibali crash more often than Contador?

 

[Afrank]

Some posters continue to banalize crashes saying that they're matter of luck or acts of god.

What caused Contador's crash if it wasn't bad luck? It sure as hell wasn't due to bad handling, even the best bike handlers would have crashed if they hit a pothole with one hand on the bars.

A crash can be due to bad handling, road conditions, bad luck, inattentiveness, and a plethora of other reasons. In this case it was mostly bad luck.

 

[cineteq]

So why does Nibali crash more often than Contador?

My statement applies to all riders. I don't understand your question.

@Afrank, you make your own luck.

 

[Red Rick]

Cinetroll at it again

 

[richo36]

So when I read nibali won the tour because froome and contador crashed out, is it:
A) because you have totally forgot the fact that nibali was already 2 and half minutes in front of contador when he crashed
B) because you think that contador is that amazing that he would of clawed back those 2 and half minutes with ease
C) you like to troll the nibali fans
D) my contador googles are too tight

I'm not saying that nibali would of won the tour. Just saying that it would of been very close, with the odds slightly in nibali favour. so to say he only won due to crashes is so wrong. And also saying he has never won against real competition is far fetched aswell. It's not his fault froome and contador crashed. At the end of the day he knew both contador and froome were going to peak for the tour and still targeted it anyway. Yeah he may of got lucky due to 2 rivals crashing but he targets the race with competition

 

[LaFlorecita]

Cinetroll at it again

it's not even funny anymore

 

[The Hitch]

And also saying he has never won against real competition is far fetched aswell. It's not his fault froome and contador crashed.

That it's not his fault that contador and froome crashed out doesn't make it untrue that the competition was weak.

 

[Red Rick]

You can't beat the guys who crash out. Nibali did not beat Contador or Froome. Ergo, Nibali never beat Contador and Froome this year. Wether he would win or would've won is irrelevant and not worth discussing.

What about this is so hard to understand

 

[scholar]

You can't beat the guys who crash out. Nibali did not beat Contador or Froome. Ergo, Nibali never beat Contador and Froome this year. Wether he would win or would've won is irrelevant and not worth discussing.

What about this is so hard to understand

Trollolol.

 

[richo36]

That it's not his fault that contador and froome crashed out doesn't make it untrue that the competition was weak.

It wasn't weak tho. Competition at start of tour
1. Contador
2. Froome
3. Nibali
4. Valverde

Competition at the start of veulta
1. Contador
2. froome
3. Quintana
4. Valverde

I don't see much difference. Do you?

In fact froome was not even in form for the vuelta. Yeah he rode him self into a a bit of form for the last couple days but really the only reason he was still even in the contest was poor riding from the Spanish trio. They could of finished froome but didn't. Which kept him in the race. Then valverde who finished nine minutes behind nibali in the tour comes 3rd only 2 mins behind. And obviously Quintana crashed out. So that leaves me really at one conclusion the whole competition at the vuelta was weak. The only difference is everyone was weak which made it close. Unlike the tour were nibali was the best.

You can't beat the guys who crash out. Nibali did not beat Contador or Froome. Ergo, Nibali never beat Contador and Froome this year. Wether he would win or would've won is irrelevant and not worth discussing.

What about this is so hard to understand

Stage 2 tdf this year? Unless we have a different understanding of winning.

What is so hard to understand???? The fact that you are implying that nibali ONLY won as froome and contador crashed out. Yet he WAS in the commanding position to win. Which is why I'm not saying nibali would of won but I'm sick of seeing that he only won because of contador crashing out, that is a wrong statement. It's like watching nadal vs federer in tennis and federer is up 2 sets then nadal pulls a hamstring and can't continue so federer wins, then saying federer only won as nadal got injured.

 

[El Pistolero]

Nibali only gained that much time because of a cobbled stage. Wake me when every GT has cobbles in it. And there are plenty of examples of Contador gaining more than 3 minutes on Nibali.

Let's see if Nibali can perform without letters from Vino because something tells me Astana doesn't have much leeway anymore.

 

[LaFlorecita]

You can't beat the guys who crash out. Nibali did not beat Contador or Froome. Ergo, Nibali never beat Contador and Froome this year. Wether he would win or would've won is irrelevant and not worth discussing.

What about this is so hard to understand

I don't understand why some people don't get this.

 

[LaFlorecita]

It wasn't weak tho. Competition at start of tour
1. Contador
2. Froome
3. Nibali
4. Valverde

Competition at the start of veulta
1. Contador
2. froome
3. Quintana
4. Valverde

I don't see much difference. Do you?

In fact froome was not even in form for the vuelta. Yeah he rode him self into a a bit of form for the last couple days but really the only reason he was still even in the contest was poor riding from the Spanish trio. They could of finished froome but didn't. Which kept him in the race. Then valverde who finished nine minutes behind nibali in the tour comes 3rd only 2 mins behind. And obviously Quintana crashed out. So that leaves me really at one conclusion the whole competition at the vuelta was weak. The only difference is everyone was weak which made it close. Unlike the tour were nibali was the best.

You've got to be kidding me. Another Nibali fanTroll that keeps repeating the same old bullcrap over and over again like a broken record.

 

[Netserk]

Yes, Contador would've outclimbed Nibali, and probably by more than 2½ minutes.

 

[cineteq]

Cinetroll at it again

You two are taking exception, why? Listen my opinions are my owns, and if that's consider a troll be it. If the admins think otherwise they should act upon you two for slandering me.

 

[LaFlorecita]

You two are taking exception, why? Listen my opinions are my owns, and if that's consider a troll be it. If the admins think otherwise they should act upon you two for slandering me.

It's not slander if it's true.

 

[Carols]

Geez people. The same people saying the same things for months on end.....

Can we give it a break???

 

[richo36]

Nibali only gained that much time because of a cobbled stage. Wake me when every GT has cobbles in it. And there are plenty of examples of Contador gaining more than 3 minutes on Nibali.

Let's see if Nibali can perform without letters from Vino because something tells me Astana doesn't have much leeway anymore.

Point is he did gain that time on contador already. If contador crashed on stage 1 I would have no problem with listening to nibali won as contador crashed. He has in the past gained 3 mins but 2014 is the best I have ever seen nibali.

I'm going to ignore the second part as it doesn't belong in this forum

You've got to be kidding me. Another Nibali fanTroll that keeps repeating the same old bullcrap over and over again like a broken record.

Hahaha fan troll. Really???? Just because I disagree with your point of view. I think contador was cyclist of the year. Follow by valverde. In fact if anything I'm an Evans fanboy. I can just see facts that your so blindly missing. Was contador down 2 and half minutes when he crashed, yes. But your right, if someone crashes we forget about that as they never were at the race.

Yes, Contador would've outclimbed Nibali, and probably by more than 2½ minutes.

Thank you for actually answer my question. I'm going to agree to disagree. As I don't think it's certain enough to say that contador would of pulled back 2 and half minutes.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Hahaha fan troll. Really???? Just because I disagree with your point of view. I think contador was cyclist of the year. Follow by valverde. In fact if anything I'm an Evans fanboy. I can just see facts that your so blindly missing. Was contador down 2 and half minutes when he crashed, yes. But your right, if someone crashes we forget about that as they never were at the race.

that is obviously not what I was getting at.

Let me spell it out for you.

It wasn't weak tho.

It was.

Competition at start of tour

Not relevant

In fact froome was not even in form for the vuelta.

Alberto was not in top shape either.

Then valverde who finished nine minutes behind nibali in the tour comes 3rd only 2 mins behind

You're completely disregarding the fact that Valverde is always stronger in Spain and that the mountain stages in la Vuelta are a lot different. In the two mountain stages that were even remotely similar to Tour stages Valverde lost 1 minute to Contador in each.

And obviously Quintana crashed out.

You forget that he would have likely been 1.5 minutes behind after the TT anyway

So that leaves me really at one conclusion the whole competition at the vuelta was weak.

Froome not in top shape and Valverde in Spain is still miles better than Papy Peraud and Pinot.

See what I meant?

 

[offbyone]

You can't beat the guys who crash out. Nibali did not beat Contador or Froome. Ergo, Nibali never beat Contador and Froome this year. Wether he would win or would've won is irrelevant and not worth discussing.

What about this is so hard to understand

This is a ridiculous argument you guys are having.

All 3 of them started the race, Nibali finished on the top step of the podium. End of story.

We can however say that Contador didn't beat Nibali in the Vuelta because Nibali didn't even start.

 

[Red Rick]

You two are taking exception, why? Listen my opinions are my owns, and if that's consider a troll be it. If the admins think otherwise they should act upon you two for slandering me.

You typically make claims supported by ridiculous arguments

Geez people. The same people saying the same things for months on end.....

Can we give it a break???

It's the off season, and Miburo is not making enough polls apparently, so we're stuck doing this. I already gave up the "who would've won the Tour" debate a long time ago.

Point is he did gain that time on contador already. If contador crashed on stage 1 I would have no problem with listening to nibali won as contador crashed. He has in the past gained 3 mins but 2014 is the best I have ever seen nibali.

I'm going to ignore the second part as it doesn't belong in this forum



Hahaha fan troll. Really???? Just because I disagree with your point of view. I think contador was cyclist of the year. Follow by valverde. In fact if anything I'm an Evans fanboy. I can just see facts that your so blindly missing. Was contador down 2 and half minutes when he crashed, yes. But your right, if someone crashes we forget about that as they never were at the race.



Thank you for actually answer my question. I'm going to agree to disagree. As I don't think it's certain enough to say that contador would of pulled back 2 and half minutes.

It's not about who whould've won the Tour. GC ability typically has nothing to do with a once in god knows how many years rainy cobble stage crashfest. I still think that Contador eventually gains those minutes back, as Saxo had the best team and Astana wouldn't have been much help had Contador attacked from way out.

This is a ridiculous argument you guys are having.

All 3 of them started the race, Nibali finished on the top step of the podium. End of story.


We can however say that Contador didn't beat Nibali in the Vuelta because Nibali didn't even start.

This is just lol. In 2009, Freire got shot in his *** at one point during the stage. According to your logic, if he had gotten shot in the head and had died on the road, it would mean everyone else had beaten him

 

[Red Rick]

Btw, I forgot to mention how Contador completely wiped Nibali's *** during the dauphine. That's beating someone

 

[Ricco']

Btw, I forgot to mention how Contador completely wiped Nibali's *** during the dauphine. That's beating someone

Nibali was concerned with the Dauphiné?