Marco Pantani -10 years since his death (pictures of his career)

[Netserk]

Sorry, but you have to cross the finish line to win the race. What's next? Give Chicken the 2007 Tour? Merckx the 1969 Giro?

 

[Benotti69]

Sorry, but you have to cross the finish line to win the race. What's next? Give Chicken the 2007 Tour? Merckx the 1969 Giro?

Bassons the 99 TdF!!!!

Might as well give Contador 2014 TdF.

It is Bollix!

 

[Microchip]

If he wasn't forced out of the race with a made-up transgression, he would most definitely have won.

 

[Benotti69]

If he wasn't forced out of the race with a made-up transgression, he would most definitely have won.

If i started this years TdF i might have won............. so give the win to me

 

[Benotti69]

If he wasn't forced out of the race with a made-up transgression, he would most definitely have won.

You mean Pantani wasn't doping?, very unlikely. As i said if anything wipe it from history, but to award the win to a guy who didn't finish is not on, whether he was off the race due to made up transgressions or not! Give Landis his TdF win back then.

 

[thehog]

If he wasn't forced out of the race with a made-up transgression, he would most definitely have won.

6 minutes ahead with one stage to go. He would have won.

 

[Netserk]

If he wasn't forced out of the race with a made-up transgression, he would most definitely have won.

Like the two other examples I mentioned, no?

 

[hrotha]

Let's not forget the 1998 Giro, the last ITT with every Mercatone rider flying and Riccardo Forconi going over the 50% limit - at least they said it was Forconi.

Whatever the circumstances surrounding the 1999 bust, the offense was real.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

https://translate.google.com/transl...tolo-a-marco-pantani_2075667.shtml&edit-text=

Mercatone Uno wants 1999 Giro d'Italia awarded to Pantani

These clowns keeps the circus going.

 

[Tonton]

These clowns keeps the circus going.

When he didn't finish the race. Someone explain how it is even possible.

Every month there seems to be something new: last time it was "the mafia killed Pantani", now "give the '99 Giro to Pantani". He was no saint, no martyr, he was a fraud, without being doped to the gills he would have been nowhere near as good a climber as Van Impe, Fuente, Bahamontes, or my favorite Lucho.

What a joke, a sad joke, a sick joke.

 

[Netserk]

How good do you think the others you mention would've been if they also hadn't doped? I also don't get how you can be so certain that Marco wouldn't have been a star climber in a clean environment. How should the career of a highly natural talented climber who doped with EPO in the 90's look like to you?

 

[Digger]

Rasmussen and landis and AC and lance need to fake their own deaths - that's the only difference

 

[Tonton]

How good do you think the others you mention would've been if they also hadn't doped? I also don't get how you can be so certain that Marco wouldn't have been a star climber in a clean environment. How should the career of a highly natural talented climber who doped with EPO in the 90's look like to you?

The others may have used stuff that is true. So is the fact that pre-EPO dope was nowhere near as potent/enhancing. Not the kind of game changer that turned, say, a Jalabert into a mountain goat at the Vuelta.

How good Pantani really was? We'll never know. Natural? When was he? Was he ever? We'll never know. Star climber in a clean environment? We'll never know.

What we know is that he was a cheat, a fraud. Not a hero. If a victim, then a victim of his own choices.

 

[Netserk]

without being doped to the gills he would have been nowhere near as good a climber as Van Impe, Fuente, Bahamontes, or my favorite Lucho.

How good do you think those guy's would've been if they were born the same year as Pantani? If they had chosen to use EPO would you also call them nowhere near as good as themselves?

 

[afpm90]

Let's not forget the 1998 Giro, the last ITT with every Mercatone rider flying and Riccardo Forconi going over the 50% limit - at least they said it was Forconi.

Whatever the circumstances surrounding the 1999 bust, the offense was real.

And I think that Pantani also arrived 20 minutes late to the doping control, that day.

 

[Benotti69]

How good do you think those guy's would've been if they were born the same year as Pantani? If they had chosen to use EPO would you also call them nowhere near as good as themselves?

Problem with a rider when he dopes is he or his fans can never say, well he would have done this or been that. They doped. They were a cheat. End of. That is the epitaph.

 

[doperhopper]

And Gotti is prepared to give it to him.

This sport what a joke! How can anyone even consider that there is a tiny bit of fair play involved in cycling if this kind of thing is being considered!!!

Give a doper the win because he died and maybe the mafia were involved. Why not strike the F**king race from the history books, not give it to a doper who died!!!!

Here we go, "Give The Jerseys Back" strikes again (majority of Tour winners approve). And don't worry, death is not a prerequisite, Uniballer's lawyers are certainly on alert. UCI should consider to "clean the table" and give all the jerseys back, starting from "strychnine era" around the turn of the century (20th to be precise).

 

[Benotti69]

Here we go, "Give The Jerseys Back" strikes again (majority of Tour winners approve). And don't worry, death is not a prerequisite, Uniballer's lawyers are certainly on alert. UCI should consider to "clean the table" and give all the jerseys back, starting from "strychnine era" around the turn of the century (20th to be precise).

Yeah, the whole thing is a mess. If Pantani gets the 99 giro, Armstrong will be looking for Tdfs, '06, '07, '08, '09 and '10.

 

[doperhopper]

"Poor Marco, just 52% HCT and what a tragic end... but what the hell" - says Mr. 60% to himself, enjoying all his jerseys on the display in his director's office, while thinking about how to win all three GTs in the New Clean Era.

 

[42x16ss]

You mean Pantani wasn't doping?, very unlikely. As i said if anything wipe it from history, but to award the win to a guy who didn't finish is not on, whether he was off the race due to made up transgressions or not! Give Landis his TdF win back then.

Nobody is saying that Pantani wasn't doping, just that there were massive irregularities leading up to his test and strong evidence of manipulation by organised crime and discriminatory action by the Italian ADA, giving good reason to believe that Pantani may not have been over the 50% limit and therefore unfairly suspended.

If this is true (and it looks like it is) then surely it warrants investigation - what is to stop similar events occurring again????

I do agree that Pantani shouldn't get the '99 Giro though. Mercatone are being ridiculous...

 

[Amazinmets73]

I always thought the situation was extremely suspicious. Pantani had the race in the bag, he did not need to take EPO (note Lance stopped using EPO during the last week of the '99 tour once he had gained a large lead.) There were millions of dollars and essentially Pantani's career at stake, I don't see how a professional doping doctor could make such a huge error. The fact that no one else on Mercatone tested positive, when they all were surely doping adds credibility to Pantani's blood sample being tampered with.

Was anyone else suspended for exceeding a 50% HTC during the '99 Giro?

 

[roundabout]

Nobody is saying that Pantani wasn't doping, just that there were massive irregularities leading up to his test and strong evidence of manipulation by organised crime and discriminatory action by the Italian ADA, giving good reason to believe that Pantani may not have been over the 50% limit and therefore unfairly suspended.

If this is true (and it looks like it is) then surely it warrants investigation - what is to stop similar events occurring again????

I do agree that Pantani shouldn't get the '99 Giro though. Mercatone are being ridiculous...

I hate to be that guy, but

Proof please.

 

[Benotti69]

Nobody is saying that Pantani wasn't doping, just that there were massive irregularities leading up to his test and strong evidence of manipulation by organised crime and discriminatory action by the Italian ADA, giving good reason to believe that Pantani may not have been over the 50% limit and therefore unfairly suspended.

If this is true (and it looks like it is) then surely it warrants investigation - what is to stop similar events occurring again????

I do agree that Pantani shouldn't get the '99 Giro though. Mercatone are being ridiculous...

I always thought the situation was extremely suspicious. Pantani had the race in the bag, he did not need to take EPO (note Lance stopped using EPO during the last week of the '99 tour once he had gained a large lead.) There were millions of dollars and essentially Pantani's career at stake, I don't see how a professional doping doctor could make such a huge error. The fact that no one else on Mercatone tested positive, when they all were surely doping adds credibility to Pantani's blood sample being tampered with.

Was anyone else suspended for exceeding a 50% HTC during the '99 Giro?

I would not be surprised it the mafia were involved. They are in so much in Italian society it is suffocating.

But my point is Pantani was a doper. To give him the 99 Giro would be ridiculous.

The sport is still in the gutter IMO.

 

[neineinei]

I always thought the situation was extremely suspicious. Pantani had the race in the bag, he did not need to take EPO (note Lance stopped using EPO during the last week of the '99 tour once he had gained a large lead.) There were millions of dollars and essentially Pantani's career at stake, I don't see how a professional doping doctor could make such a huge error. The fact that no one else on Mercatone tested positive, when they all were surely doping adds credibility to Pantani's blood sample being tampered with.

Was anyone else suspended for exceeding a 50% HTC during the '99 Giro?

Pantani was positive for EPO after stage 16 of the 1998 TdF. He had no problem recharging right in the middle of the Festina scandal with police raids all over the place.

 

[Benotti69]

here's another indicator that cycling has not cleaned up its act.

https://twitter.com/giroditalia/status/529636635177394177

When RCS are calling a doper like this, he didn't even win the most times, 'The Giro d'Italia is: Pantani', I do not have the slightest hope that a rider can win big races clean.

Crazy crazy sport!