Mark Cavendish Discussion Thread

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Nirvana said:
the only sprinter of his generation (Greipel) that could have threatened him was a team mate
Never understood this argument. Cav proved himself to be the better sprinter on many occasions, and so he got picked ahead of Greipel, who himself is one of the greatest sprinters the peloton has seen, with over 150 wins.
 
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PremierAndrew said:
Nirvana said:
the only sprinter of his generation (Greipel) that could have threatened him was a team mate
Never understood this argument. Cav proved himself to be the better sprinter on many occasions, and so he got picked ahead of Greipel, who himself is one of the greatest sprinters the peloton has seen, with over 150 wins.
I mean that if Greipel would have been in another team already in 2009/2010 he would have been his biggest rival and could have snatched stages away from him here and there like he did from 2011 onwards. Being team mates took out of the equation the biggest potential threat for two years so was easier to win for him.
 
I didn't see any of the stage but his result left a lot to be desired. I saw there was a rumor he might got to bahrain merida. He doesn't seem like he would need the money from his and Peta's job plus he can always be a coach like Zabel. I would love if he could turn everything around this end of the year and next but I feel it will be the same results and he'll end up disappointing himself most of all. He should retire while he still has his health.
 
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MartinGT said:
Climbed off yesterday.

Who will take him at the moment? Just retire Cav
And in what he would call a 'sh*t small race. So much for planning to be in top form in July. DD will be thankful they left him out.

I can't ever see him winning again.
 
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You can't read anything into that abandon. The entire grupetto "climbed off" after being caught in a freak hailstorm and had to take shelter in vehicles.

HTC Cav would have "climbed off" on that stage too.
 
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therealthing said:
Back to just giving up when he should be opening his sprint today.
Yeah, he seems to have given up. Not even really in the mix. Looked like he's not trying. We'll see tomorrow. I never really liked the guy because he was so cocky and arrogant, but as he's struggled I kind of want him to have some success before he retires. This is just sad.
 
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therealthing said:
Back to just giving up when he should be opening his sprint today.
Combination of no legs and no confidence. But i guess we should enjoy him race while we can since he definitely won't land a contract for next year.
 
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Screecher said:
therealthing said:
Back to just giving up when he should be opening his sprint today.
Combination of no legs and no confidence. But i guess we should enjoy him race while we can since he definitely won't land a contract for next year.
He offers absolutely nothing for any team other than publicity. He doesn't even try anymore.
 
Pricey_sky said:
Screecher said:
Embarrassing. Two more chances.
He crashed, it happens in racing. Nothing ‘embarrassing’ about it.
Cavendish should have acknowledged the same, it was a minor crash, in which he got taken down by Serry from DQ, only because Serry was himself crashed out and sliding on the ground. 'It happens', but in this case, we have Cavendish cursing out Serry with obscenities, as if it were intentional or something. For a veteran such as Cavendish that was petulant, it was his behavior people have a problem with, not the fact he was caught up in an accident
benzwire said:
therealthing said:
Back to just giving up when he should be opening his sprint today.
Yeah, he seems to have given up. Not even really in the mix. Looked like he's not trying. We'll see tomorrow. I never really liked the guy because he was so cocky and arrogant, but as he's struggled I kind of want him to have some success before he retires. This is just sad.
Looking at the video, Education First, CCC, Sunweb, and UAE trains were all around that corner first , BORA not far behind, while Dimension Data was in disarray and Cavendish pinched off on the outside. Leaving Cav, at best, with a lot of work to do versus Ackermann, Gaviria, Modolo, Walscheid... Cav was in a disadvantaged position, leaving him to wrangling it out himself versus currently-better sprint teams...
In the Rio Olympics was where I lost sympathy for Cavendish, he crashed out two Olympic cyclists, then pretended he didn't even know what happened and was fiddling with his shoe straps. That was sick, it was the point where I thought to myself "This guy is mental". He should have been relegated, he absolutely caused that crash with his own byotch move, but the judges let him take the silver medal.
boneshaker said:
15 Jacobsen
16 Swift 18 Cavendish - You are too harsh (with respect to this stage). Several other sprinters got boxed, too.
3 kilometers was a lot of time for him to figure something out but, Cavendish was not just going to contend in that one, no matter what he did in the final K
 
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SHAD0W93 said:
I never saw Cipo sprint and I'm biased towards Cav. But what I would say confidently to go along with Pricey is I would have HTC Cav with HTC's train over any rider and their train. HTC dominated the race, even when they were the only team working all day. There never was and never will be another train like HTC and it's a pity for Cav because if they had stuck around, he would have won many more stages.
Ironically, this is exactly why I would place Cipollini and possibly other era sprinters over Cavendish. A team that could control/set-up and deliver Cavendish to the line against one of the weakest sprinter era's in cycling history. Once Kittel and a few others arrived, Cav's win rate at GTs dropped substantially, except Le Tour 2016.

Just looking back through some Tours from the late 80s/early 90s, there was barely a field sprint in 89, 3 Bunch sprints 1990, in 91 some 4 stages were won by last KM attacks, which almost never happens nowadays and in 92, I don't think there was a full bunch sprint until stage 20. There may have been teams trying to control things until the final km, but clearly there were not that obsessed or efficient at it. Last decade, things are controlled almost to the line so precise have the teams become at dominating stages. There were stages this year, when the last lead out was still there with 200m to go.

Also, there was a different mentality back then regards the importance of the Tour from Italian teams, Ariostea were pre-selected in 89 and gave up their place and Cipo's Del Tongo team were invited in 90/91, but both years turned down the invite. Imagine nowadays, a team turning down Tour invites :eek: Back then, the Giro was of far more importance than the Tour for most Italian teams.

Cipo made his debut in 92 at age 25, which as I mentioned didn't have a field sprint until the final week, by which time Il magnifico had long departed due to lack of opportunities. 93 he won his first stage, but had some top opposition in Abdu, Wilfried Nelissen(what a lost talent), Olaf Ludwig and pre-transformation Laurent Jalabert. He missed 94 completely due to being taken out by his own team-mate Baffi at the Vuelta. I guess you could say 95-99 were Cipo's peak years at Le Tour and he won 14 times despite rivals like Zabel, Steels, Blijlevens and he was 32 by the Tour in 99. Amazingly didn't get to appear after that, but that is the real black mark against Cipo, he never tried to finish Le Tour and was punished for it.

Seeing Cipo, Abdu, Van Poppel, Vanderarden, Steels, McEwen, Petacchi, Kittel and Cav plus more going against each other in peak form minus sprint trains would have been something to behold.
 
His downhill trend started from moving to Sky in 2012 and focusing on climbing more to win the Olympics. Without that, he could have won more in the following Tours. All of those against each other would have been good sprints but alas we can only imagine.

In the present, it doesn't look good for him. I wonder if he'll try to go to Vuelta and if so, DD will let him. They have been having a terrible year on all accounts.
 
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SHAD0W93 said:
His downhill trend started from moving to Sky in 2012 and focusing on climbing more to win the Olympics. Without that, he could have won more in the following Tours. All of those against each other would have been good sprints but alas we can only imagine.

In the present, it doesn't look good for him. I wonder if he'll try to go to Vuelta and if so, DD will let him. They have been having a terrible year on all accounts.

Tour of Britain would be much more likely, I’d imagine.
 
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SHAD0W93 said:
His downhill trend started from moving to Sky in 2012 and focusing on climbing more to win the Olympics. Without that, he could have won more in the following Tours. All of those against each other would have been good sprints but alas we can only imagine.

In the present, it doesn't look good for him. I wonder if he'll try to go to Vuelta and if so, DD will let him. They have been having a terrible year on all accounts.
He was still in double digit wins per year until the Epstein Barr, his GT record wasn't too shabby either.
 

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