Teams & Riders Mark Cavendish Discussion Thread

[Richeypen]

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Least prestigious? Hm. Certainly not to the general public (everyone likes a winner), and even among cycling fans I think it's a dubious statement.

A sprinter will never win an epic stage.
Puncheurs, rouleurs, breakaway specialists and climbers can.

Really depends on how one describes Epic

Stage 13 of the 2013 Tour count?

Best stage of that Tour by a mile!

 

[robin440]

definitely silver at the worlds

 

[PremierAndrew]

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Least prestigious? Hm. Certainly not to the general public (everyone likes a winner), and even among cycling fans I think it's a dubious statement.

A sprinter will never win an epic stage.
Puncheurs, rouleurs, breakaway specialists and climbers can.

Really depends on how one describes Epic

Stage 13 of the 2013 Tour count?

Best stage of that Tour by a mile!

Would have won in the crosswinds in Zeeland last year too if Renshaw hadn't started his leadout way too early

 

[memyselfandI]

2013 stage 13 was really epic!

 

[TMP402]

Cavendish can avenge Kittel's British wins with next year's German start.

 

[The Principal Sheep]

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Cavendish can avenge Kittel's British wins with next year's German start.

Do you think we'll this type of Cavendish again after the olympics?

 

[barmaher]

First stage is an ITT over 13km. So although he will have a chance of the stage win in the (almost certain) flat stage 2, yellow in Germany is unlikely.

 

[TMP402]

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First stage is an ITT over 13km. So although he will have a chance of the stage win in the (almost certain) flat stage 2, yellow in Germany is unlikely.

You're right, I just meant stage wins.

Cavendish can avenge Kittel's British wins with next year's German start.

Do you think we'll this type of Cavendish again after the olympics?

Well, if the track got him 4 stage wins, he'd be foolish not to use the same prep for the Worlds and next year's Tour.

 

[SeriousSam]

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/aug/10/mark-cavendish-criticises-bradley-wiggins-olympic-team-pursuit-snub

But while 2012 Tour winner Wiggins, Ed Clancy, Steven Burke and Owain Doull have had the event as their sole focus for more than a year, Cavendish has not and is only likely to ride one of the three rounds if a team-mate is injured or falls ill.

“That’s the reason I left the Tour early, because of the team pursuit,” Cavendish told Sky. “[For] the omnium, finishing the Tour would’ve been a benefit. It’s a little bit [disappointing], but it’s how it works.

“Especially Brad, he has been super stressed. He wants to be the hero and all that. I’m kind of just doing the omnium stuff now. That’s what I was aiming for the whole time. The team pursuit’s a bonus to that anyway.”

Cavendish’s comments could reopen old wounds with Wiggins. The pair drifted apart after the Beijing Games, when Cavendish suffered the ignominy of being the only member of the track team not to return with a medal.

Wiggins had been fatigued by his exertions in winning the team pursuit and individual pursuit title before the Madison.

Then it was suggested the peloton conspired against Britain on the opening day of London 2012 in the road race.

“Both times [at Olympics] it’s easy to say ‘he’s making excuses’ – I don’t feel like it was my fault,” Cavendish added. “Extraordinary factors meant I didn’t get those medals when I had done everything right leading up to them.”

Moaning and whining as always

 

[PremierAndrew]

Extremely unreasonable of him to be disappointed to not be allowed to get a free gold medal at no cost to the team

 

[kwikki]

He doesn't do himself any favours by blurting out what is on his mind (such as it is). But then you'd all be whining if he gave out the carefully manicured pre-prepped spontaneous interviews that Froome does.

 

[samhocking]

I think back in June Wiggins said to Cav that he's going so well in Pursuit training he could go 5th man in Semi Final which would guarantee Cav a medal as his Omnium is a bit of a lottery. It seems now Wiggins is a bit stressed he wants it all to himself and to be the hero lol! I don't think he was really ever anything more than backup really, he didn't seem too bothered, just seemed to be rolling his eyes at Brad. I don't think Cav gets on very well with Salzwedel either, so this might have been a factor too?

 

[Jspear]

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/aug/10/mark-cavendish-criticises-bradley-wiggins-olympic-team-pursuit-snub

But while 2012 Tour winner Wiggins, Ed Clancy, Steven Burke and Owain Doull have had the event as their sole focus for more than a year, Cavendish has not and is only likely to ride one of the three rounds if a team-mate is injured or falls ill.

“That’s the reason I left the Tour early, because of the team pursuit,” Cavendish told Sky. “[For] the omnium, finishing the Tour would’ve been a benefit. It’s a little bit [disappointing], but it’s how it works.

“Especially Brad, he has been super stressed. He wants to be the hero and all that. I’m kind of just doing the omnium stuff now. That’s what I was aiming for the whole time. The team pursuit’s a bonus to that anyway.”

Cavendish’s comments could reopen old wounds with Wiggins. The pair drifted apart after the Beijing Games, when Cavendish suffered the ignominy of being the only member of the track team not to return with a medal.

Wiggins had been fatigued by his exertions in winning the team pursuit and individual pursuit title before the Madison.

Then it was suggested the peloton conspired against Britain on the opening day of London 2012 in the road race.

“Both times [at Olympics] it’s easy to say ‘he’s making excuses’ – I don’t feel like it was my fault,” Cavendish added. “Extraordinary factors meant I didn’t get those medals when I had done everything right leading up to them.”

Moaning and whining as always

Go on CN and watch the whole 15 min interview. This article here cut it and spliced it making a huge deal. Some of this is taken out of context.

 

[PremierAndrew]

Decent start to the omnium. Even a podium would be a massive feat considering everyone else on the start line has built their season around this omnium while Cav was busy winning 4 stages at the Tour

 

[El Pistolero]

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Decent start to the omnium. Even a podium would be a massive feat considering everyone else on the start line has built their season around this omnium while Cav was busy winning 4 stages at the Tour

You're talking about a niche/obscure sport that is basically at the level of the Commonwealth Games.

 

[TMP402]

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Decent start to the omnium. Even a podium would be a massive feat considering everyone else on the start line has built their season around this omnium while Cav was busy winning 4 stages at the Tour

You're talking about a niche/obscure sport that is basically at the level of the Commonwealth Games.

Then why bother commenting?

 

[TMP402]

Great individual pursuit. 4.16 He caught Gaviria no less. A great rivalry. A second faster than Viviani. In his least favoured event. Only 6 seconds slower than the world record, and TEN seconds faster than his time at the world championships.

 

[PremierAndrew]

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Decent start to the omnium. Even a podium would be a massive feat considering everyone else on the start line has built their season around this omnium while Cav was busy winning 4 stages at the Tour

You're talking about a niche/obscure sport that is basically at the level of the Commonwealth Games.

The difference between track omnium and road is pretty similar to difference between Roubaix and cyclo cross. Shows a greater level of versatility to the level of versatility required to win a giro on a descent and lombardia on a descent

 

[El Pistolero]

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Decent start to the omnium. Even a podium would be a massive feat considering everyone else on the start line has built their season around this omnium while Cav was busy winning 4 stages at the Tour

You're talking about a niche/obscure sport that is basically at the level of the Commonwealth Games.

The difference between track omnium and road is pretty similar to difference between Roubaix and cyclo cross. Shows a greater level of versatility to the level of versatility required to win a giro on a descent and lombardia on a descent

:lol:

You're talking about an event that was won by a 20-year-old at the last Olympics... One who has had 3 poor seasons on the road so far.

 

[robin440]

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Decent start to the omnium. Even a podium would be a massive feat considering everyone else on the start line has built their season around this omnium while Cav was busy winning 4 stages at the Tour

You're talking about a niche/obscure sport that is basically at the level of the Commonwealth Games.

The difference between track omnium and road is pretty similar to difference between Roubaix and cyclo cross. Shows a greater level of versatility to the level of versatility required to win a giro on a descent and lombardia on a descent

:lol:

You're talking about an event that was won by a 20-year-old at the last Olympics... One who has had 3 poor seasons on the road so far.

haha nice comment!!

+1

 

[El Pistolero]

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Decent start to the omnium. Even a podium would be a massive feat considering everyone else on the start line has built their season around this omnium while Cav was busy winning 4 stages at the Tour

You're talking about a niche/obscure sport that is basically at the level of the Commonwealth Games.

Then why bother commenting?

As long as you bring up track cycling in the road section I'll continue to be amused at how over-rated this sport is.

 

[PremierAndrew]

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Decent start to the omnium. Even a podium would be a massive feat considering everyone else on the start line has built their season around this omnium while Cav was busy winning 4 stages at the Tour

You're talking about a niche/obscure sport that is basically at the level of the Commonwealth Games.

The difference between track omnium and road is pretty similar to difference between Roubaix and cyclo cross. Shows a greater level of versatility to the level of versatility required to win a giro on a descent and lombardia on a descent

:lol:

You're talking about an event that was won by a 20-year-old at the last Olympics... One who has had 3 poor seasons on the road so far.

Thanks for emphasising my point on the versatility required to be competitive in both disciplines

 

[TMP402]

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Decent start to the omnium. Even a podium would be a massive feat considering everyone else on the start line has built their season around this omnium while Cav was busy winning 4 stages at the Tour

You're talking about a niche/obscure sport that is basically at the level of the Commonwealth Games.

The difference between track omnium and road is pretty similar to difference between Roubaix and cyclo cross. Shows a greater level of versatility to the level of versatility required to win a giro on a descent and lombardia on a descent

:lol:

You're talking about an event that was won by a 20-year-old at the last Olympics... One who has had 3 poor seasons on the road so far.

...who beat Coquard and Viviani. But hey, everyone can have one good year, right?

 

[Valv.Piti]

El Pistolero, you are truly amazing

 

[El Pistolero]

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Decent start to the omnium. Even a podium would be a massive feat considering everyone else on the start line has built their season around this omnium while Cav was busy winning 4 stages at the Tour

You're talking about a niche/obscure sport that is basically at the level of the Commonwealth Games.

The difference between track omnium and road is pretty similar to difference between Roubaix and cyclo cross. Shows a greater level of versatility to the level of versatility required to win a giro on a descent and lombardia on a descent

:lol:

You're talking about an event that was won by a 20-year-old at the last Olympics... One who has had 3 poor seasons on the road so far.

Thanks for emphasising my point on the versatility required to be competitive in both disciplines

Gaviria, Viviani and Klüge do both as well and I wouldn't call any of them versatile.

Just a very small talent pool. Jason Kenny has 6 Olympic medals (of which 5 are Gold) for crying out loud! Only one less than Usain Bolt...