Teams & Riders Mark Cavendish Discussion Thread

[PremierAndrew]

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Thanks for emphasising my point on the versatility required to be competitive in both disciplines

Gaviria, Viviani and Klüge do both as well and I wouldn't call any of them versatile.

Just a very small talent pool. Jason Kenny has 6 Olympic medals (of which 5 are Gold) for crying out loud! Only one less than Usain Bolt...

Ok never mind, no point discussing with someone ignorant. I'll stick to discussions that are purely about road with you from now on

 

[TomLPC]

Cav dqed trying to come round the outside, shame as he was in the box seat there

 

[Brullnux]

Cavendish showing why he wasn't picked for the pursuit

 

[PremierAndrew]

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Cav dqed trying to come round the outside, shame as he was in the box seat there

Looking at the replay, he would have been knocked out if he hadn't tried to force a gap as well. Poor to allow himself to get boxed in like that and threw away a lot of points, but anyway, 10 points off the lead with 1km, flying lap and most importantly points race to come, along with an off-form Gaviria as an additional bonus. Cav would probably have taken that at the start of the day

 

[TMP402]

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Cavendish showing why he wasn't picked for the pursuit

...?

 

[Brullnux]

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Cavendish showing why he wasn't picked for the pursuit

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Relax, I was kidding; Cavendish has had a great day with that IP and is in a good position but lacks a bit of race craft on the track still. The scratch maybe was slightly below expectations too. But the pursuit makes up for it all. Let's see how he fares in the points race, Cav might have it easier coming from 15-20 points down seeing how Kluge and O'Shea went in the worlds against Viviani.

 

[glassmoon]

didn't follow his track training lately. i was shocked by that IP performance. smashing.

 

[samhocking]

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Cavendish showing why he wasn't picked for the pursuit

...?

Relax, I was kidding; Cavendish has had a great day with that IP and is in a good position but lacks a bit of race craft on the track still. The scratch maybe was slightly below expectations too. But the pursuit makes up for it all. Let's see how he fares in the points race, Cav might have it easier coming from 15-20 points down seeing how Kluge and O'Shea went in the worlds against Viviani.

4:16 was all the proof needed to backup Wiggins comments that Cav simply wasn't fast-enough to make the Team Pursuit squad. Very, very good considering he only trained for the last couple of weeks off Tour de France, but 6 seconds to slow compared to what Wiggins and co are riding now.

 

[MatParker117]

Flying lap and points race should not be a problem, kilo's the issue.

 

[Red Rick]

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Decent start to the omnium. Even a podium would be a massive feat considering everyone else on the start line has built their season around this omnium while Cav was busy winning 4 stages at the Tour

You're talking about a niche/obscure sport that is basically at the level of the Commonwealth Games.

I think you've made that point plenty of times by now. We get it.

 

[PremierAndrew]

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Flying lap and points race should not be a problem, kilo's the issue.

After that IP, I believe in him. He clearly trained a lot for the team pursuit, and thats more like a 2.5km solo effort. If anything, he might have lost a slight edge for the flying lap but I think hes the favourite for gold at this point

 

[MatParker117]

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Flying lap and points race should not be a problem, kilo's the issue.

After that IP, I believe in him. He clearly trained a lot for the team pursuit, and thats more like a 2.5km solo effort. If anything, he might have lost a slight edge for the flying lap but I think hes the favourite for gold at this point

Riding sub 13s in training, so looks good.

 

[Brullnux]

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Cavendish showing why he wasn't picked for the pursuit

...?

Relax, I was kidding; Cavendish has had a great day with that IP and is in a good position but lacks a bit of race craft on the track still. The scratch maybe was slightly below expectations too. But the pursuit makes up for it all. Let's see how he fares in the points race, Cav might have it easier coming from 15-20 points down seeing how Kluge and O'Shea went in the worlds against Viviani.

4:16 was all the proof needed to backup Wiggins comments that Cav simply wasn't fast-enough to make the Team Pursuit squad. Very, very good considering he only trained for the last couple of weeks off Tour de France, but 6 seconds to slow compared to what Wiggins and co are riding now.

Do you have any numbers to back that up? Are you really saying that all four members of that team could beat the world record in the individual pursuit? You know Hansen beat Wiggins' 2008 time, with a 4:14?

 

[greenedge]

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Cavendish showing why he wasn't picked for the pursuit

...?

Relax, I was kidding; Cavendish has had a great day with that IP and is in a good position but lacks a bit of race craft on the track still. The scratch maybe was slightly below expectations too. But the pursuit makes up for it all. Let's see how he fares in the points race, Cav might have it easier coming from 15-20 points down seeing how Kluge and O'Shea went in the worlds against Viviani.

4:16 was all the proof needed to backup Wiggins comments that Cav simply wasn't fast-enough to make the Team Pursuit squad. Very, very good considering he only trained for the last couple of weeks off Tour de France, but 6 seconds to slow compared to what Wiggins and co are riding now.

Do you have any numbers to back that up? Are you really saying that all four members of that team could beat the world record in the individual pursuit? You know Hansen beat Wiggins' 2008 time, with a 4:14?

Not meaning to be pedantic, but the article mentioned that as the Olympic record, not the World Record. That's currently held by Bobridge- with 4:11.

 

[PremierAndrew]

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Flying lap and points race should not be a problem, kilo's the issue.

After that IP, I believe in him. He clearly trained a lot for the team pursuit, and thats more like a 2.5km solo effort. If anything, he might have lost a slight edge for the flying lap but I think hes the favourite for gold at this point

Riding sub 13s in training, so looks good.

Source?

 

[MatParker117]

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Flying lap and points race should not be a problem, kilo's the issue.

After that IP, I believe in him. He clearly trained a lot for the team pursuit, and thats more like a 2.5km solo effort. If anything, he might have lost a slight edge for the flying lap but I think hes the favourite for gold at this point

Riding sub 13s in training, so looks good.

Source?

Chris Hoy on the BBC last night.

 

[TMP402]

He's now on essentially tied 2nd with 126 points, but Viviani is now 14 points clear on 140

 

[PremierAndrew]

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Flying lap and points race should not be a problem, kilo's the issue.

After that IP, I believe in him. He clearly trained a lot for the team pursuit, and thats more like a 2.5km solo effort. If anything, he might have lost a slight edge for the flying lap but I think hes the favourite for gold at this point

Riding sub 13s in training, so looks good.

Source?

Chris Hoy on the BBC last night.

Yea Cav expecting a 12.7.

Decent 1k time trial, he's giving himself a very good chance

 

[samhocking]

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Cavendish showing why he wasn't picked for the pursuit

...?

Relax, I was kidding; Cavendish has had a great day with that IP and is in a good position but lacks a bit of race craft on the track still. The scratch maybe was slightly below expectations too. But the pursuit makes up for it all. Let's see how he fares in the points race, Cav might have it easier coming from 15-20 points down seeing how Kluge and O'Shea went in the worlds against Viviani.

4:16 was all the proof needed to backup Wiggins comments that Cav simply wasn't fast-enough to make the Team Pursuit squad. Very, very good considering he only trained for the last couple of weeks off Tour de France, but 6 seconds to slow compared to what Wiggins and co are riding now.

Do you have any numbers to back that up? Are you really saying that all four members of that team could beat the world record in the individual pursuit? You know Hansen beat Wiggins' 2008 time, with a 4:14?

The world record is 4:11. They've all been sub 13 in training apart from Cavendish I believe.
Edit: I see what you mean. I meant 4 seconds too slow - my bad!

 

[Brullnux]

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Relax, I was kidding; Cavendish has had a great day with that IP and is in a good position but lacks a bit of race craft on the track still. The scratch maybe was slightly below expectations too. But the pursuit makes up for it all. Let's see how he fares in the points race, Cav might have it easier coming from 15-20 points down seeing how Kluge and O'Shea went in the worlds against Viviani.

4:16 was all the proof needed to backup Wiggins comments that Cav simply wasn't fast-enough to make the Team Pursuit squad. Very, very good considering he only trained for the last couple of weeks off Tour de France, but 6 seconds to slow compared to what Wiggins and co are riding now.

Do you have any numbers to back that up? Are you really saying that all four members of that team could beat the world record in the individual pursuit? You know Hansen beat Wiggins' 2008 time, with a 4:14?

Not meaning to be pedantic, but the article mentioned that as the Olympic record, not the World Record. That's currently held by Bobridge- with 4:11.

Yeah I know, 4:16 minus 6 seconds would be 4:10. I used Wiggins' 2008 time as a reference to what he has done in the past.

Edit: never mind, it's been sorted

 

[samhocking]

My Bad, I meant 4 seconds too slow in training for Cavendish. The others have all gone sub 13 in training, so would be around 4:11/12 once they've got the special round wheels on and the heating cranked up. Maybe not at Rio as it's easily a couple of seconds slower than Dunc Gray with the right pressure i'd say.

 

[tristecsinamigos]

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Flying lap and points race should not be a problem, kilo's the issue.

After that IP, I believe in him. He clearly trained a lot for the team pursuit, and thats more like a 2.5km solo effort. If anything, he might have lost a slight edge for the flying lap but I think hes the favourite for gold at this point

really? Anything can happen at the points race...

 

[PremierAndrew]

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Flying lap and points race should not be a problem, kilo's the issue.

After that IP, I believe in him. He clearly trained a lot for the team pursuit, and thats more like a 2.5km solo effort. If anything, he might have lost a slight edge for the flying lap but I think hes the favourite for gold at this point

really? Anything can happen at the points race...

Being the favourite =/= going to win, but along with Viviani, he has the highest chance of winning from here

 

[TMP402]

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Flying lap and points race should not be a problem, kilo's the issue.

After that IP, I believe in him. He clearly trained a lot for the team pursuit, and thats more like a 2.5km solo effort. If anything, he might have lost a slight edge for the flying lap but I think hes the favourite for gold at this point

really? Anything can happen at the points race...

Being the favourite =/= going to win, but along with Viviani, he has the highest chance of winning from here

How does he close 14 points to Viviani? Considering also that VIviani won the flying lap at the World Championships. I know Viviani did badly at the points race in the WCs, but he was being defensive because he was leading pretty handily.

 

[Inquitus]

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How does he close 14 points to Viviani? Considering also that VIviani won the flying lap at the World Championships. I know Viviani did badly at the points race in the WCs, but he was being defensive because he was leading pretty handily.

You get 5 points per sprint, and 20 points for taking a lap, its not scored like the rest of the events, essentially the other 5 events give a handicap for the the final event, so 12 points is not much to close in the grand scheme of things, it also means people who are way back might be left gain a lap and suddenly become medal prospects. Should be a great final event.