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Teams & Riders Mark Cavendish Discussion Thread

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WKA311 said:
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This dimension data leadout train has been abysmal

Sprinters don't need their own trains. If Cavendish had the legs and form he would be on Gaviria or Sagan's wheel and then blip past them in the final 50metres.

Sagan has done pretty well with out a sprint train.

Yes, but Sagan always has his guys who deliver him in the Top 15 riders to the last k and then let him do his thing. Selig even said so last year that it was wildly different for him to work with Sagan after delivering Bennet on to the last 300m in the Giro. Cav doesn't even seem to have the guys to bring him in position for the last 1-2k. That's the problem.

You dont need a train to get you to the top 15 in the last k.

You use others trains or others moving up and latch on. If you know your team cant deliver you then use your own abilites and tag along on others.

Cavendish aint got it no more would be my guess. His chances are in the 1st week as i doubt he will be able to be comeptitive after that.

Be super surprised if Cavendish makes it to Paris.
 
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WKA311 said:
Benotti69 said:
PremierAndrew said:
This dimension data leadout train has been abysmal

Sprinters don't need their own trains. If Cavendish had the legs and form he would be on Gaviria or Sagan's wheel and then blip past them in the final 50metres.

Sagan has done pretty well with out a sprint train.

Yes, but Sagan always has his guys who deliver him in the Top 15 riders to the last k and then let him do his thing. Selig even said so last year that it was wildly different for him to work with Sagan after delivering Bennet on to the last 300m in the Giro. Cav doesn't even seem to have the guys to bring him in position for the last 1-2k. That's the problem.

Yes, exactly this. Sagan has highly skilled and powerful big lumps around him. They don’t make him a train or even do a final lead out, but they do a whole load of other stuff. Today Sagan had team mates: (a) working on the front from a long way out, (b) stringing everything out in the last 5km, Postlberger specifically for over a km, (c) pulling hard at the front of the post crash lead group just before the sprint and (d) all around him all day ready to position him back in the top few without him having to make an effort in the unlikely event he needs assistance.

Sagan doesn’t use his support in the same way as other sprinters and he can certainly get by very well without it. But in this race he has the second best support of any sprinter (ie other than Gaviria) and he is making good use of it albeit in a non traditional way.
 
IMO, the spring was too much for an old sprinter. I'm not writing him off like others have, there is plenty TdF left, and plenty of the season left. I hope that he is just playing mind games by talking about next year, but maybe he knows that his body is just bad now.
 
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macbindle said:
Gaviria is the new Cav.

Did you see Cav speaking at the Team bus after the stage with his baby?

He's lost the drive. Seems pretty chilled out now.

He was the same with his first child too, he’s always been a family man and that hasn’t affected his career.

Slightly better effort today in that he at least was seen in the final metres, but a long way to go. I agree with what Rick said, those crashes and injuries at the start of the season have really set him back. The fact he was already talking about winning stages with a better prep next year shows he still has the hunger.
 
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macbindle said:
Gaviria is the new Cav.

Did you see Cav speaking at the Team bus after the stage with his baby?

He's lost the drive. Seems pretty chilled out now.

He was the same with his first child too, he’s always been a family man and that hasn’t affected his career.

Slightly better effort today in that he at least was seen in the final metres, but a long way to go. I agree with what Rick said, those crashes and injuries at the start of the season have really set him back. The fact he was already talking about winning stages with a better prep next year shows he still has the hunger.

Has Cavendish got a team for next year?
 
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Benotti69 said:
Pricey_sky said:
macbindle said:
Gaviria is the new Cav.

Did you see Cav speaking at the Team bus after the stage with his baby?

He's lost the drive. Seems pretty chilled out now.

He was the same with his first child too, he’s always been a family man and that hasn’t affected his career.

Slightly better effort today in that he at least was seen in the final metres, but a long way to go. I agree with what Rick said, those crashes and injuries at the start of the season have really set him back. The fact he was already talking about winning stages with a better prep next year shows he still has the hunger.

Has Cavendish got a team for next year?

Nothing confirmed yet but this was an interview from his team a few weeks ago;


"We'd love to keep Mark. He's core to our team, an amazing individual, and has done a huge amount for the Qhubeka charity. It'd be a privilege to keep Mark in the team for 2019, we'd love to keep him," Ryder told Cyclingnews.
 
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Can Cav ride cobbles?

I see him trying his luck in breaks, on the classics type stages, in realisation he doesn't have the sprint speed anymore.

Cavendish doesn't have WT level endurance or power. The only reason he finishes the Tour at all is by hiding in a peloton at all times or because they never throw out the gruppetto. So no he can't ride in a break and he can't do anything on cobbles.
 
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Broccolidwarf said:
Can Cav ride cobbles?

I see him trying his luck in breaks, on the classics type stages, in realisation he doesn't have the sprint speed anymore.

Yes, he can on some level. He was 30th in Paris-Roubaix two years ago.

But it's a tough ask and I don't see him succeed in the Tour outside the sprints (so his Tour days may be over).

It wouldn't surprise me if this leads to the end of his career after this season.
 
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Pricey_sky said:
Benotti69 said:
Pricey_sky said:
macbindle said:
Gaviria is the new Cav.

Did you see Cav speaking at the Team bus after the stage with his baby?

He's lost the drive. Seems pretty chilled out now.

He was the same with his first child too, he’s always been a family man and that hasn’t affected his career.

Slightly better effort today in that he at least was seen in the final metres, but a long way to go. I agree with what Rick said, those crashes and injuries at the start of the season have really set him back. The fact he was already talking about winning stages with a better prep next year shows he still has the hunger.

Has Cavendish got a team for next year?

Nothing confirmed yet but this was an interview from his team a few weeks ago;


"We'd love to keep Mark. He's core to our team, an amazing individual, and has done a huge amount for the Qhubeka charity. It'd be a privilege to keep Mark in the team for 2019, we'd love to keep him," Ryder told Cyclingnews.

"....we'd love to keep him", if he takes a huge pay cut.

Think this is Cavendish's final TdF.
 
He has shown in the past that he can handle being on his own so I think it is ludicrous to say he has never had WT level endurance. Now at this present point I would agree based off his extreme lack of racing miles, sickness, and injuries he most likely can not go in a breakaway and that is saying something coming from me.
 
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Benotti69 said:
Pricey_sky said:
Benotti69 said:
Pricey_sky said:
macbindle said:
Gaviria is the new Cav.

Did you see Cav speaking at the Team bus after the stage with his baby?

He's lost the drive. Seems pretty chilled out now.

He was the same with his first child too, he’s always been a family man and that hasn’t affected his career.

Slightly better effort today in that he at least was seen in the final metres, but a long way to go. I agree with what Rick said, those crashes and injuries at the start of the season have really set him back. The fact he was already talking about winning stages with a better prep next year shows he still has the hunger.

Has Cavendish got a team for next year?

Nothing confirmed yet but this was an interview from his team a few weeks ago;


"We'd love to keep Mark. He's core to our team, an amazing individual, and has done a huge amount for the Qhubeka charity. It'd be a privilege to keep Mark in the team for 2019, we'd love to keep him," Ryder told Cyclingnews.

"....we'd love to keep him", if he takes a huge pay cut.

Think this is Cavendish's final TdF.

Yep it’s over for Cav, should quit riding when Sagan smashed him into the barriers last year.