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Teams & Riders Mark Cavendish Discussion Thread

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It was the closest thing that came to my mind when you said bodyparts crossing the line before the bike. And in this particular case Walscheid would have won if the deciding factor for the win was his body. The only thing Gaviria had in front was his wheel cause of the bike throw. His entire body itself was behind his opponents. But no idea how they would actually rule it if they would fly over the line and their bikes a second later :D
Has that ever happened? That a crash was that close to the line that the "victor" was not riding but rather flying over the line?
 
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Akuryo said:
It was the closest thing that came to my mind when you said bodyparts crossing the line before the bike. And in this particular case Walscheid would have won if the deciding factor for the win was his body. The only thing Gaviria had in front was his wheel cause of the bike throw. His entire body itself was behind his opponents. But no idea how they would actually rule it if they would fly over the line and their bikes a second later :D
Has that ever happened? That a crash was that close to the line that the "victor" was not riding but rather flying over the line?

Yes, if it was always body-part, which it - obviously - isn't. In this particular example both their front wheels were clearly ahead of both their shoulders (or is it all of their shoulders, since they both have a pair?)
Question is whether it's always bike-part, or whatever part happens to be across the line first, which - due to the laws of physics - is most often the front wheel. But just imagine a mass crash right on the line, with everyone crossing in a tangled mess of body parts and bike parts.

And no, it hasn't actually happened, though I guess if a rider went flying over the line, but his bike stayed behind, then it wouldn't count since you have to cross the line with your bike. Same if someone loses their wheel and it goes across on it's own.
 
I'm convinced he could have won a few stages last year, had he not crashed out.
He's not as good as 2011 anymore of course (especially in relation to his competition), but I don't think age is as big a factor as people make it out to be.

If his difficulties in the spring aren't a problem, I'm confident he can take several wins this year too, maybe even in Paris.
 
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spalco said:
I'm convinced he could have won a few stages last year, had he not crashed out.
He's not as good as 2011 anymore of course (especially in relation to his competition), but I don't think age is as big a factor as people make it out to be.

If his difficulties in the spring aren't a problem, I'm confident he can take several wins this year too, maybe even in Paris.

Yea, last year he could gave won 2 or 3 based off EBH places.
 
I’m not so sure, EBH was really good last year, came second on several occasions both in sprints and on small punchy climbs and even winning one stage from a break. He also gave Kittel a run for his money with a very close photo finish, but if Cav really was on great form you’re probably right.
 
Judging from his comments before today's stage, sounds like he's given up on winning a stage this year already. Weird, he's already talking about next year. No fight in him at all.

"I don't know. It's going to be hard pushed to beat Bora and Quick-Step in any sprints this year. I can't really say why, but there's obviously next year."

"We'll see next year… but it's going to be hard to beat them, I think."
 
No, the last 2 days have not been good and his attitude has definitely changed from before the Tour expecting to win 6 stages and his comments now. I hope he is trying to downplay his chances like he has done before in order to surprise.

I will continue to root for him on each stage until there is none left with hopefully him winning 6. :D
 
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PremierAndrew said:
This dimension data leadout train has been abysmal

Sprinters don't need their own trains. If Cavendish had the legs and form he would be on Gaviria or Sagan's wheel and then blip past them in the final 50metres.

Sagan has done pretty well with out a sprint train.
 
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Benotti69 said:
PremierAndrew said:
This dimension data leadout train has been abysmal

Sprinters don't need their own trains. If Cavendish had the legs and form he would be on Gaviria or Sagan's wheel and then blip past them in the final 50metres.

Sagan has done pretty well with out a sprint train.

Yes, but Sagan always has his guys who deliver him in the Top 15 riders to the last k and then let him do his thing. Selig even said so last year that it was wildly different for him to work with Sagan after delivering Bennet on to the last 300m in the Giro. Cav doesn't even seem to have the guys to bring him in position for the last 1-2k. That's the problem.