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Cycle Chic said:samhocking said:There is no way you ride into someone on purpose at that speed with banking, knowing it will be to your advantage. Have any of you even raced scratch racing on a velodrome?
I,d have thought if you are prepared for the impact you can stay on the bike and ride away - just like ***** Cavendish.
So why no celebrations after the race - he got silver ?? because he knew he,d cocked up big time....deliberate on all counts ! he should have been disqualified...he's a disgrace.
Jagartrott said:"Blind hatred" - why polarise the argument?Pricey_sky said:As is the blind hatred by those who aren't fans of his, baying for blood over a clumsy mistake that is quite common on the track.
It was stupid, he was given a warning and the strongest guy still won.
With less luck, Viviani would've been out. If Cavendish then won, would you be OK with that?
This action deserved more than a warning. He took out three guys and caused the race to be neutralised.
Jagartrott said:"Blind hatred" - why polarise the argument?Pricey_sky said:As is the blind hatred by those who aren't fans of his, baying for blood over a clumsy mistake that is quite common on the track.
It was stupid, he was given a warning and the strongest guy still won.
With less luck, Viviani would've been out. If Cavendish then won, would you be OK with that?
This action deserved more than a warning. He took out three guys and caused the race to be neutralised.
del1962 said:While it obviously wasn't deliberate Boardman's initial reaction was that Cav could be in trouble, the commissionaires took a different view
samhocking said:Brullnux said:samhocking said:Exactly. Look at the more extreme move from Viviani on Boudat. He took him all the way down onto the cote d'azur
That was in no way more extreme. Viviani was always on his shoulder and came down gradually, whereas Cavendish swooped almost perpendicular into the Korean.
Watch some actual racing in a real velodrome, your opinion doesn't match the reality commissairs actually judge this incident by.
Brullnux said:samhocking said:Brullnux said:samhocking said:Exactly. Look at the more extreme move from Viviani on Boudat. He took him all the way down onto the cote d'azur
That was in no way more extreme. Viviani was always on his shoulder and came down gradually, whereas Cavendish swooped almost perpendicular into the Korean.
Watch some actual racing in a real velodrome, your opinion doesn't match the reality commissairs actually judge this incident by.
No, you're wrong here. The judges don't disagree with me that Viviani's move was more extreme, as they didn't give him a warning. Boardman immediately said, and this is someone whose opinion on track in all honesty I respect more than yours, Cavendish could get a warning. This is quite a concession from the rider's national broadcaster, no? In other words, had it been Viviani doing that, Boardman would've called for a warning. He should've got a warning. He didn't get a warning. However clumsy it may be, it was a ridiculously dangerous move. I haven't raced track, but I've been on one before for training, and one of the first things I got told is in a large race if you are planning to move in, then check around you. Park is in hospital, because of Cav's recklessness. For me, that is a warning. The commissaries disagreed, but that happens on the road too - someone gets demoted and there is an argument here. Being 'track noobs' has little to do with disagreeing with the judges.
Fergoose said:del1962 said:While it obviously wasn't deliberate Boardman's initial reaction was that Cav could be in trouble, the commissionaires took a different view
Must have been Boardman being a track newbie unlike the resident internet experts on this forum. I guess August must be the new July indeed!
Yes, nothing to see here, it's just "clueless Brit haters" who are out for blood I bet if Park had been the one to take out Cav the BBC and all new British fans on social media who are suddenly experts on cycling would have been calling for him to be executed. But no, it was Cav who took out some unknown Korean and they all love him because he's British, so anything he does can be excused. It's a freaking disgrace. Whether it was deliberate or not, it was a huge mistake, inexcusable, and he should have been punished. When you pull such a trick on the road, you get relegated to last place. Yet somehow it is okay here?Amnes2015 said:“It’s not his fault,” Viviani said. “The Korean guy was halfway on his wheel to the right, normally you stay on the wheel. Cav was in the front and changed direction, so it’s all normal. It’s a normal crash on the track. For sure it was a bad moment in the race.”
case closed
however reading the clueless brit haters on social media is worth a good laugh
yeah, so cav is not guilty of anything, poor guy, i think park should apologise to him, i mean what an idiot and what a bad luck for cav to be taken down by a guy who clearly changed the direction. except it was the other way around.Amnes2015 said:“It’s not his fault,” Viviani said. “The Korean guy was halfway on his wheel to the right, normally you stay on the wheel. Cav was in the front and changed direction, so it’s all normal. It’s a normal crash on the track. For sure it was a bad moment in the race.”
case closed
however reading the clueless brit haters on social media is worth a good laugh
LaFlorecita said:Yes, nothing to see here, it's just "clueless Brit haters" who are out for blood I bet if Park had been the one to take out Cav the BBC and all new British fans on social media who are suddenly experts on cycling would have been calling for him to be executed. But no, it was Cav who took out some unknown Korean and they all love him because he's British, so anything he does can be excused. It's a freaking disgrace. Whether it was deliberate or not, it was a huge mistake, inexcusable, and he should have been punished. When you pull such a trick on the road, you get relegated to last place. Yet somehow it is okay here?Amnes2015 said:“It’s not his fault,” Viviani said. “The Korean guy was halfway on his wheel to the right, normally you stay on the wheel. Cav was in the front and changed direction, so it’s all normal. It’s a normal crash on the track. For sure it was a bad moment in the race.”
case closed
however reading the clueless brit haters on social media is worth a good laugh
LaFlorecita said:Yes, nothing to see here, it's just "clueless Brit haters" who are out for blood I bet if Park had been the one to take out Cav the BBC and all new British fans on social media who are suddenly experts on cycling would have been calling for him to be executed. But no, it was Cav who took out some unknown Korean and they all love him because he's British, so anything he does can be excused. It's a freaking disgrace. Whether it was deliberate or not, it was a huge mistake, inexcusable, and he should have been punished. When you pull such a trick on the road, you get relegated to last place. Yet somehow it is okay here?Amnes2015 said:“It’s not his fault,” Viviani said. “The Korean guy was halfway on his wheel to the right, normally you stay on the wheel. Cav was in the front and changed direction, so it’s all normal. It’s a normal crash on the track. For sure it was a bad moment in the race.”
case closed
however reading the clueless brit haters on social media is worth a good laugh
Sorry, I should have been more clear. I only quoted the post to reply to the last sentence. The rest is just a rant about what a disgrace it is that he didn't get a penalty. Regardless of the differences between track and road cycling, endangering other riders or influencing the outcome with a dangerous move gets punished in both disciplines. I've seen riders get relegated. Even Kennett got a penalty during the race. But Cav's move was all okay, apparently.King Boonen said:Hang on, Viviani blames Park and yet it's the British Media's fault? How'd you work that one out?
Personally I think Viviani is wrong and I don't blame Park, it was a racing incident. Comparing track racing to road racing is not relevant, they are very different.
LaFlorecita said:Sorry, I should have been more clear. I only quoted the post to reply to the last sentence. The rest is just a rant about what a disgrace it is that he didn't get a penalty. Regardless of the differences between track and road cycling, endangering other riders or influencing the outcome with a dangerous move gets punished in both disciplines. Except in this case.King Boonen said:Hang on, Viviani blames Park and yet it's the British Media's fault? How'd you work that one out?
Personally I think Viviani is wrong and I don't blame Park, it was a racing incident. Comparing track racing to road racing is not relevant, they are very different.
Headbutts can go unpunished on the road as well when it's just to "fight for position". There are nuances, of course, but making such a big mistake should be inexcusable.PremierAndrew said:Except it's perfectly legal to headbutt other riders in the Kierin to fight for position
LaFlorecita said:Sorry, I should have been more clear. I only quoted the post to reply to the last sentence. The rest is just a rant about what a disgrace it is that he didn't get a penalty. Regardless of the differences between track and road cycling, endangering other riders or influencing the outcome with a dangerous move gets punished in both disciplines. I've seen riders get relegated. Even Kennett got a penalty during the race. But Cav's move was all okay, apparently.King Boonen said:Hang on, Viviani blames Park and yet it's the British Media's fault? How'd you work that one out?
Personally I think Viviani is wrong and I don't blame Park, it was a racing incident. Comparing track racing to road racing is not relevant, they are very different.