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Ok, so it's an uphil finish, it's all in slow motion, a bit, the bunch is a catching the break and the guy jumps early, when everyone else has hesitated. FFS guys, watch some bike racing. Try some bike racing.
 
hesitating and not being able to follow are two different things.
Not really, once the gap is there it's incredibly difficult to follow and close. Maybe they thought he'd blow and they'd get him at the line. Maybe they saw the gap and realised there was no chance they'd get his wheel and decided to wait for the minor placings rather than dragging others and losing a podium. Lots of reasons for what happened.
 
Just watched the highlights. Clearly he's just putting out a lot more power than everyone else in the finale. This is pretty typical of what we've seen him do in various disciplines.

How he's doing that is open to speculation, but I don't think one can put it down to tactics or timing. When he went, guys were struggling to close down the 3 guys out front, going really hard. He simply blew by everyone. He's just way, way stronger. We've been seeing it all year.
 
Just watched the highlights. Clearly he's just putting out a lot more power than everyone else in the finale. This is pretty typical of what we've seen him do in various disciplines.

How he's doing that is open to speculation, but I don't think one can put it down to tactics or timing. When he went, guys were struggling to close down the 3 guys out front, going really hard. He simply blew by everyone. He's just way, way stronger. We've been seeing it all year.
That's right. VDP is making a habit of winning like this.

Timing is one thing, but you still need to put out a ludicrous amount of watts to these moves stick.

I love what this kid is doing but I won't lie, there's also some alarm bells.
 
And yet in flat sprints he struggles to win against guys like Trentin and Bol. The special thing is that the watts he puts out in a flat sprint, he can also do in an uphill sprint, which is what makes him totally overpowered in short uphill bursts.

But the fact he doesn't win the TT (by far), and not all flat sprints shows he too has all his limits. He's just an exceptional uphill sprinter with a good recovery inbetween efforts. Which makes a very powerful combination in winning road race stages..

Not that different from Sagan, Gilbert, you name them...
 
And yet in flat sprints he struggles to win against guys like Trentin and Bol. The special thing is that the watts he puts out in a flat sprint, he can also do in an uphill sprint, which is what makes him totally overpowered in short uphill bursts.

But the fact he doesn't win the TT (by far), and not all flat sprints shows he too has all his limits. He's just an exceptional uphill sprinter with a good recovery inbetween efforts. Which makes a very powerful combination in winning road race stages..

Not that different from Sagan, Gilbert, you name them...
Well, you almost make him sound like a one-trick-pony, but i agree with the jist of it. It's what makes him great at CX, at MTB, and as a classics style rider. I think he's best compared with Sagan 2012-2015 or abouts.
 
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The special thing is that the watts he puts out in a flat sprint, he can also do in an uphill sprint, which is what makes him totally overpowered in short uphill bursts.
uhh what? Do other sprinters put out more absolute watts on flat roads than uphill ones?

MVDP arguably missed out on one sprint win due to positioning, and did win the final flat sprint. He's still pretty new to road racing so I think his positioning and timing can only improve, at which point he'll be a threat on flat finishes, if not the out and out favorite against the very top sprinters, just like Sagan.

His TT was pretty good for basically being a first timer. I think like Van Aert, he'll become a TT winner after he practices and perfects the position. It's hard to imagine that not being the case given his CX and Amstel Gold performances.
 
It is far more likely, that young talent has an easier way pushing through, because the rest of the peloton is a lot cleaner, instead of assuming these young guys are doped out of their eyeballs. As if along with them, came a new breed of dope that the old guys don't have access to.

Looking at this graph, it makes you wonder what happened between 2007 and 2008, concerning average race speed:

That is one helluva drop!
 
uhh what? Do other sprinters put out more absolute watts on flat roads than uphill ones?

MVDP arguably missed out on one sprint win due to positioning, and did win the final flat sprint. He's still pretty new to road racing so I think his positioning and timing can only improve, at which point he'll be a threat on flat finishes, if not the out and out favorite against the very top sprinters, just like Sagan.

His TT was pretty good for basically being a first timer. I think like Van Aert, he'll become a TT winner after he practices and perfects the position. It's hard to imagine that not being the case given his CX and Amstel Gold performances.
I don't see much of a connection between CX and Amstel performances whit being an elite TT-er?
 
I don't see much of a connection between CX and Amstel performances whit being an elite TT-er?
The link I can see with CX is that they're used to doing hour-long efforts, but of course that's not all it takes to time trial with the best. I don't know if long time trials will suit MVDP's more explosive style.
 
I don't see much of a connection between CX and Amstel performances whit being an elite TT-er?
The connection with CX has been discussed a lot wrt Wout Van Aert (hard ~1hr solo effort). The connection with Amstel is particular to this year's performance, the last 10km of which were a well-paced effort over flat terrain which his competitors could barely follow, much less match.
 
The connection with CX has been discussed a lot wrt Wout Van Aert (hard ~1hr solo effort). The connection with Amstel is particular to this year's performance, the last 10km of which were a well-paced effort over flat terrain which his competitors could barely follow, much less match.
Tom Boonen went on 50 km solo in Roubaix, Gilbert went even longer in Flanders, yet they were never elite TT-ers.
 
Tom Boonen went on 50 km solo in Roubaix, Gilbert went even longer in Flanders, yet they were never elite TT-ers.
They were both more than excellent at a TT effort when needed, the difference being the resilience to doing so at the end of a RR, and the relative changes in biomechanics and aerodynamics between disciplines.

TTs are not all the same though, are they :) Hilly versus flat or steady, etc.

What I find crazy is the ridiculous anaerobic attacks vdP puts in, putting serious gaps in people of a short amount of time, and then settling back in to a high level sustainable pace. He does not appear to suffer from any tradeoff or negative impact as a result of anything. That, I always find highly suspicious.

Who knows, may be he is the genetic doping in its purest form! As in family ;)
 

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