Matt White stands down from all positions

[Dear Wiggo]

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"They make statements recently - 'Oh this is terrible, you know, what's happened with Armstrong has shocked us, you know, we were naive'. I don't think that that is credible," he said.

"If they were even half as close to cycling as they should be, they must have known what was going on.

No offence but everyone is doing that - not just CA.

Dr Ashenden said Cycling Australia had "denigrated" the investigation into Armstrong, saying "they labelled [USADA chief] Travis Tygart, who headed up that investigation, as some sort of maniac publicity seeker".

"They've made various statements in public about their view of the Armstrong investigation. And they denigrated the investigation.

Do you have links to the denigration and the use of the word, "maniac", as attributed by Ashenden to CA?

 

[sairyder]

No offence but everyone is doing that - not just CA.



Do you have links to the denigration and the use of the word, "maniac", as attributed by Ashenden to CA?

Yep I do - but every time i add Travis Tygart into the search engine i go straight to lancearmstrong.com - nothing else. Weird just can't get around it on google - thats new. I'll try another way. It was in a Peter Kogoy article from late Aug 2012 lets see..

here it is

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...-lance-armstrong/story-fn8sc2wz-1226458458001


THE US Anti-Doping Agency has no jurisdiction or legal right to strip Lance Armstrong of his seven Tour de France titles, according to one of Australia's most senior officials.

Sydney's Phill Bates, a member of the international cycling union's arbitration tribunal, yesterday described USADA's actions against Armstrong as unenforceable and described the organisation's chief executive Travis Tygart as an "egomaniac publicity hunter".

"While Armstrong may have opted not to continue with his legal fight, USADA, a signatory to the WADA code, has no jurisdiction to punish or impose sanctions against any rider," Bates said.



Well that was very weird lance armstrong .com major swamp job on my search - a first for me, it was triggered by putting Travis Tygart into the search

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Well that was very weird lance armstrong .com major swamp job on my search - a first for me, it was triggered by putting Travis Tygart into the search

Thanks for the quote - I had only heard Mueller and he didn't say anything like it.

The search can be refined with "-<something>" - did you try that? I didn't get la.com swamping my results although probably different words than you used.

 

[sairyder]

Thanks for the quote - I had only heard Mueller and he didn't say anything like it.

The search can be refined with "-<something>" - did you try that? I didn't get la.com swamping my results although probably different words than you used.

Ok it happened again - what happens to you when you put in peter kogoy phil bates travis tygart together - I ONLY get lancearmstrong.com. Not kidding I want to know?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Ok it happened again - what happens to you when you put in peter kogoy phil bates travis tygart together - I ONLY get lancearmstrong.com. Not kidding I want to know?

wow ok yeah lancearmstrong.com

"peter kogoy" "phil bates" "travis tygart" gives me this single page from the forums

impressive.

 

[sairyder]

wow ok yeah lancearmstrong.com

"peter kogoy" "phil bates" "travis tygart" gives me this single page from the forums

impressive.

thanks

just wanted to confirm that i wasn't losing the plot from hanging in this place too long -.

Why is that happening - Is it Armstrongs internet army at work?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

thanks

just wanted to confirm that i wasn't losing the plot from hanging in this place too long -.

Why is that happening - Is it Armstrongs internet army at work?

Hard to tell. The names all tie into an article that says USADA do not have jurisdiction, which is key to armstrong's defense. The keywords tag is empty, and I don't think google does js based processing pre-indexing, so it's strange.

Usually if google has pages with some of the words they turn up regardless of whether they have all the words.

I did a very quick check on Alexa / iSpionage and cannot see any keyword data to indicate they are doing it deliberately. Just good positioning?

 

[cineteq]

Vroomen's blog

"Cycling Australia hired White after he was fired from Slipstream for sending a rider to Dr. Del Moral for a health check, instead of letting the team doctor refer the rider to a doctor as is the team policy."

http://gerard.cc/2012/10/16/matt-white/

 

[skidmark]

Vroomen's blog

"Cycling Australia hired White after he was fired from Slipstream for sending a rider to Dr. Del Moral for a health check, instead of letting the team doctor refer the rider to a doctor as is the team policy."

http://gerard.cc/2012/10/16/matt-white/

Man, I love hearing from Vroomen on this stuff! So pithy.

 

[sniper]

Is it still too early to smear Mark Quod by association?

Marc Quod has recently joined the Garmin-Transitions team after working as a sport physiologist with the Athletics program at ASPIRE in Qatar and previous to that, with the Cycling program at the Australian Institute of Sport. Marc brings to the team experience in altitude training, competing in hot environments and recovery.

http://www.slipstreamsports.com/garmin-slipstream-staff/dr-marc-quod
looking at his profile and publications, he seems a specialist in marginal gains.

 

[sittingbison]

It was that logoy article (I'm sure I referenced it somewhere at the time, maybe buried in the 10000 post LA vs USADA thread) that got my hackles and suspicions up with Bates ans CA. Then there is that one quoting Mueller saying similar stuff.

Embarrassing for us all when the honchos are like this.

 

[Ferminal]

Is it still too early to smear Mark Quod by association?


http://www.slipstreamsports.com/garmin-slipstream-staff/dr-marc-quod
looking at his profile and publications, he seems a specialist in marginal gains.

Hesjedal's Kerrison

 

[Fidolix]

"White, go stand in the corner, shut up and don´t move until you are called upon"
"Class dismissed, White, you can come out now, go back to your seat!"

I hope not this will be the case, ASADA have to act on this and live up to its responsibilities, a lifetime ban is a must.

If we ever are gonna have a clean sport, we have to get rid of all these past dopers in cycling, no more excuses "but we all did it", no amnesty for anybody, clean out in UCI, fat Pat and Verhooker step down, they should face criminal charges and should be banned from all sports for life.

What is next? The revealing of the doping culture in UK cycling or the AU one?
I´m afraid this is just the tip of the iceberg, and more will surface in the next year to come.

 

[Alex Simmons/RST]

What is next? The revealing of the doping culture in UK cycling or the AU one?
I´m afraid this is just the tip of the iceberg, and more will surface in the next year to come.

I'm afraid that here in Australia at least, no such thing will happen sans a Royal Commission.

 

[msjett]

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cycling/ryan-stays-loyal-to-cycling-after-scandal-20121016-27p3u.html

''When we recruited 'Whitey', he was Australian [men's under 23] coach. He was also in a team [Garmin] that crusaded as a clean team,'' Ryan said.

''I know the reason why he was sacked. We investigated that, as did Cycling Australia and Whitey came up clean.''

Thought this was relevant to thread....

 

[Tinman]

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cycling/ryan-stays-loyal-to-cycling-after-scandal-20121016-27p3u.html

Rupert what is this? Are these (and others) not MORE THAN SUGGESTIONS? Pretty **** poor journalism. After 2 mea culpas you seem to be heading back to where you were for decades. Suggest you read the forum here, pick up on some of the nuggets and investigate more deeply rather than writing more lazy uninformed drivel.

"Neither rider has been implicated in any way in the charges against Armstrong, nor are there any suggestions that Davis or Rogers have ever used drugs.
Davis was named in the USADA report in evidence relating to the 2006 Operacion Puerto doping scandal and named among riders connected to Spanish doctor Eufemiano Fuentes while on the Liberty Seguros team.
He was cleared by ASADA in 2007.
Rogers was named in the affidavit of American Levi Leipheimer, a former Armstrong teammate, as one of several riders who attended two training camps while he was a member of T-Mobile in May and June of 2005 with Italian doctor Michele Ferrari. Ferrari was also one of the five former Armstrong associates charged by USADA and has since been banned for life.
Rogers last week said his link with Ferrari was only for training programs.
He also said that he was never offered drugs by Ferrari.
''All I am going to say is, I've been through and questioned Shayne [Bannan, general manager] on 'Alby' [Davis],'' Ryan said.
''As far as we are aware, he was cleared. It's the same with Michael Rogers. It's hearsay or finger pointing at this stage.''

 

[sittingbison]

Rupert what is this?...Suggest you read the forum here, pick up on some of the nuggets and investigate more deeply rather than writing more lazy uninformed drivel....

Tinman, there is a distinct possibility that Rupert is being quite subtle about all this. Tossing pebbles in the pond and seeing where the ripples go. He cannot come out swinging making accusations. First the editors wont allow it for fear of defamation proceedings, second he would be marginalized.

Every Guinness article post Reasoned Decision has been at length to say "of course there is no suggestion XXXX is guilty of anything" and then goes on to say exactly what they are guilty of. Dumps them right in it.

Patience.

 

[Boeing]

MW giving it the old Aussi Try.

 

[PCutter]

Gerard Vroomen's view on Matt White/CA

http://gerard.cc/2012/10/16/matt-white/#comment-3013

In the comments section he notes he pushed for White to be sacked from Garmin rather than suspended when the board considered action on him.

"Matt White

So Matt White is outed by USADA as a USPS doper, admits to it and is suspended while Cycling Australia investigates. This makes no sense.

Cycling Australia hired White after he was fired from Slipstream for sending a rider to Dr. Del Moral for a health check, instead of letting the team doctor refer the rider to a doctor as is the team policy.

Cycling Australia investigated White in 2011 to see if he could remain their performance coordinator and if he should be hired for Orica-Greenedge. This makes it strange to investigate him again. There are three options:

In 2011, they forgot to ask White if he ever doped himself, in which case there is no point in having an investigation – the Cycling Australia board should simply step down.

They asked White if he ever doped and he answered truthfully, in which case there is also no need for an investigation or a suspension – the Cycling Australia board should simply explain its decision and stand by it. Or alternatively, the board should resign again if they feel their decision in 2011, having had all the facts available to them, was wrong.

They asked White if he ever doped and he lied, in which case there is also no need for an investigation or a suspension as he should be fired right away.

Thus, the investigation sounds more like a smoke screen, one that is gaining in popularity in cycling nowadays."

 

[Hillavoider]

Just read the funniest headline ever about an Aussie, O'Grady in "Shock" following evidence in USADA report, Australian had been a believer until now.....

i nearly fell off the my seat laughing

 

[ElChingon]

Just read the funniest headline ever about an Aussie, O'Grady in "Shock" following evidence in USADA report, Australian had been a believer until now.....

i nearly fell off the my seat laughing

I think he's shocked they finally caught them, not that they were doping. He believed they weren't going to get caught.

 

[Alex Simmons/RST]

And as posted in the reactions from peleton thread, CA's response:
http://www.cycling.org.au/?ID=48077...=YMLP&utm_term=view+this+email+in+your+browse...

 

[skidmark]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/matt-white-sacked-by-cycling-australia-for-anti-doping-breach

Well, although I agree with Vroomen's analysis and it's stupid to see him fired now so CA can cover their ***, I do take a couple of positives:

- the conversation has officially shifted, as a country's cycling organization (not anti-doping organization) has responded publicly saying that the UCI has been corrupt

- the journalistic tone is such that CN actually asked a follow-up question(!) as to whether they had asked White about his doping initially

Baby steps; the pathetic covering of their own asses and careful wording about the UCI are still obvious, but it's something.

 

[Tinman]

Every Guinness article post Reasoned Decision has been at length to say "of course there is no suggestion XXXX is guilty of anything" and then goes on to say exactly what they are guilty of. Dumps them right in it.

Patience.

Ok, fine. Too subtle for me. I'll be patient some more. Have had food, am calmer now .

 

[movingtarget]

Well White has now been sacked from all positions including GreenEdge and Aussie Road team. The end of another career and so it goes. Who will be next ?