Me Thinks Andy Should Ride The Giro in 2012

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

Wait, what? When? Where? How?! So many questions!!!

You mean this guy, right?

Is that frowned upon in France?

There was no other option but to punch that guy in the face. Be fair now.

 

[Walkman]

What i said was for next year's TDF
ANDY
needs
CONTADOR
to be at the race for him to win against Evans ( barring crashes ).
Otherwise there is no way in hell Andy will win as his attacks ( stage 18 Galibier this year ) were slowly reeled in by Evans. To win the TDF Evans needs to be cracked otherwise he is capable of pulling off what he did this year ( stage 18 Galibier ). And the only way EVANS CAN BE CRACKED IS FOR CONTADOR TO RIDE THE TDF, and ANDY TO BE ABLE TO GO WITH Contador's ATTACKS.

That then invokes a whole new problem for Andy. HOW TO CRACK CONTADOR???

In my original post i then said either way Andy is screwed ( for his chance to win the TDF ) next year.

I do not think anywhere in my original post i said CONTADOR Needed ANDY.

It is Vice-Versa as Andy needs Contador. The 2 of them will work together in the sense they shall distance the others then attack each other.

On a whole new point, why would Contador feel he has to attack like crazy to gain time on Evans on the Mountains, when he has a great ITT as well ( an out of form Contador finished 3rd at Grenoble ). I'm sure he only has to make a FEW devasting attacks up the mountains to cement his lead.
Maybe for some reason he feels Evans is better than him in the ITT still ( which we do have to consider in 09 Evans was in no form whatsoever ) but even so i'm pretty sure he should be confident of at least matching Evans. I just don't get why he is so nervous but that makes me think the route is suited more to Evans ( if only because Contador believes the ITT km shall work in Evans' favour )

Relax greenedge. c&cfan was clearly baiting you and you swallowed it like you hadn't eaten in weeks...

 

[Havetts]

JVDB should ride the Giro too.

Everyone should ride the Giro.

 

[greenedge]

The worst part for Shleck is that Contador finished 4th and was booed before the start of the Tour and still managed to win the hearts of everyone. Even when Shleck finished ahead of Alberto still “beat” him.

Though Shleck does garner a lot of respect at the TDF ( stage 18 Galibier ). That then however dims when he comes 2nd or he says he will focus entirely on the TDF/ whinged in other years.

Hopefully next year his schedule will make him compete in a few more races ( that he can be in good form for ) and give him a shot at the WC

 

[greenedge]

Relax greenedge. c&cfan was clearly baiting you and you swallowed it like you hadn't eaten in weeks...

Oh that sucks. I spent a whole 10 or so minutes compiling those valid points. And i did not even really talk up Evans in either post ( which is practically a first )

 

[danjo007]

dont worry bout him, he's from or near spain... the cow did it!

 

[Angliru]

I just don't get why he is so nervous but that makes me think the route is suited more to Evans ( if only because Contador believes the ITT km shall work in Evans' favour )

It's common practice for riders to talk up the chances of their opponents and minimize their own, well, unless your name is Cavendish, Ricco or Cancellara.
Still a long flat ITT and minimally mountainous parcours does play into Evans' hands, especially the ITT. Contador hasn't had really good TT performance at the Tour since 2009. I look for him to start the Tour with the form similar to what he displayed in the Tour in 2009 and last year's Giro.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

It's common practice for riders to talk up the chances of their opponents and minimize their own, well, unless your name is Cavendish, Ricco or Cancellara.
Still a long flat ITT and minimally mountainous parcours does play into Evans' hands, especially the ITT. Contador hasn't had really good TT performance at the Tour since 2009. I look for him to start the Tour with the form similar to what he displayed in the Tour in 2009 and last year's Giro.

if he got the Giro 11 form next tour he will not loose more than 20 sec max on the 2 tts, mybe even win some seconds
but i might be wrong

 

[airstream]

Form is usually measured with the balance of the rivals' strength.

 

[Christian]

Some Irish dude suggesting Andy should do the Tour instead of the Giro. Doesn't count though since he was probably drunk and we all know anglophones don't know **** about cycling!!

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/1...correct-to-target-Tour-de-France-in-2012.aspx

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

Some Irish dude suggesting Andy should do the Tour instead of the Giro. Doesn't count though since he was probably drunk and we all know anglophones don't know **** about cycling!!

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/1...correct-to-target-Tour-de-France-in-2012.aspx

Sure, if he doesn't want to win a GT next season he should go right ahead. Whoever wins the Giro will be sure to thank him for it.

 

[El Pistolero]

Sure, if he doesn't want to win a GT next season he should go right ahead. Whoever wins the Giro will be sure to thank him for it.

Why? As if Andy can win the Giro

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

Form is usually measured with the balance of the rivals' strength.

it would be interesting to see how much time Andy could beat Scarponi and Rujano with in the giro of 2011

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

Why? As if Andy can win the Giro

He can afford a few ****-ups if the next best rider is Ivan freaking Basso. It would be quite painful to watch if he still couldn't do it. Maybe that's why it's not even being considered?

Though, it may depend on the CAS verdict in Contador's case, of course. Against Evans and them, Andy has an outside chance to win the Tour... theoretically speaking.

 

[airstream]

it would be interesting to see how much time Andy could beat Scarponi and Rujano with in the giro of 2011

I'd prefer to see their fight exactly in the Giro decorations, but unfortunately it will never happen.

Strange that the Hitch hasn't reacted yet. The rider named Scarponi was mentioned.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

I'd prefer to see their fight exactly in the Giro decorations, but unfortunately it will never happen.

Strange that the Hitch hasn't reacted yet. The rider named Scarponi was mentioned.

Scarponi is a underrated gc rider, it is not like Gesink or broeck or Samu would beat him with 10 min if he ever entered the tour...

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

Scarponi is a underrated gc rider, it is not like Gesink or broeck or Samu would beat him with 10 min if he ever entered the tour...

Maybe they would. Scarponi can't stand the heat, which is almost always an issue in the Tour.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

Maybe they would. Scarponi can't stand the heat, which is almost always an issue in the Tour.

if they met in the giro then
anyway my point is that what andy met this year (especially this year) was not that much better than what Conta met

 

[airstream]

Scarponi is a underrated gc rider, it is not like Gesink or broeck or Samu would beat him with 10 min if he ever entered the tour...

Nobody thinks that Scarponi is weak or underrated. He'd hit top-10 in the Tour for sure, if he put it his main goal in the season, just in the Tour generally, not in '2012 edition.

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

if they met in the giro then
anyway my point is that what andy met this year (especially this year) was not that much better than what Conta met

Yeah, with Voeckler being one of the top climbers the average level wasn't that high.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

Yeah, with Voeckler being one of the top climbers the average level wasn't that high.

My mother is a fan of Voeckler so dont say that unless you want to feel her fury

 

[airstream]

Voeckler lost about 5 minutes to juiced up full blast LA and Basso on the Plateau de Beille in 2004 with no help, having been dropped on any serious climb before. This fact indicated directly his climbing level, I think.

 

[The Hitch]

if he got the Giro 11 form next tour he will not loose more than 20 sec max on the 2 tts, mybe even win some seconds
but i might be wrong

To an on form Martin or Cancellara I think Contador would lose more than 20 seconds. A Minute maybe in the flat one though he can challenge them in the hilly one.

Interesting to see how he would go against Menchov. I think Menchov would beat Contador on the flat one and The Great One might come out on top in the hilly one.

Form is usually measured with the balance of the rivals' strength.

Here you go.

1 Ivan Basso (Italy) Liquigas-Doimo 87h 44' 01"
2 David Arroyo (Spain) Caisse d'Epargne + 1' 51"
3 Vincenzo Nibali (Italy) Liquigas-Doimo + 2' 37"
4 Michele Scarponi (Italy) Androni Giocattoli + 2' 50"
5 Cadel Evans (Australia) BMC Racing Team + 3' 27"

1 Alberto Contador (Spain) Saxo Bank-SunGard 84h 05' 14"
2 Michele Scarponi (Italy) Lampre-ISD + 6' 10"
3 Vincenzo Nibali (Italy) Liquigas-Cannondale + 6' 56"
4 John Gadret (France) Ag2r-La Mondiale + 10' 04

Some Irish dude suggesting Andy should do the Tour instead of the Giro. Doesn't count though since he was probably drunk and we all know anglophones don't know **** about cycling!!

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/1...correct-to-target-Tour-de-France-in-2012.aspx

Kelly unfortunately has come to put down many of his own accomplishments by becoming increasingly a Tour only character. Like so many in the sport, a legend but doesn't mean he's right about what he says.

 

[The Hitch]

Scarponi is a underrated gc rider, it is not like Gesink or broeck or Samu would beat him with 10 min if he ever entered the tour...

In the last 20 months or so the guy has lost TA by a second, won a queen stage of the Giro, being the 2nd best rider in the race, came 2nd in a monument purely on merit by being the only one to much the incredible Phil Gil then finished just behind none other than Cadel Evans by 15 seconds in TA, winning a stage beat most of these riders supposed to be better than him in Catalunya which Contador won, coming 2nd to him on the MTF, won Trentino and came 2nd in the Giro.

So yes those who say that he is a nobody are way off.

Nobody thinks that Scarponi is weak or underrated.

You think hes weak, judging by alll the times you said that Contador would struggle to drop Evans with the form he toyed with Scarponi, and the times you said that there was no competition in the Giro.

As a result I think hes underrated so that statement is wrong on 2 counts.

 

[El Pistolero]

In the last 20 months or so the guy has lost TA by a second, won a queen stage of the Giro, being the 2nd best rider in the race, came 2nd in a monument purely on merit by being the only one to much the incredible Phil Gil then finished just behind none other than Cadel Evans by 15 seconds in TA, winning a stage beat most of these riders supposed to be better than him in Catalunya which Contador won, coming 2nd to him on the MTF, won Trentino and came 2nd in the Giro.

So yes those who say that he is a nobody are way off.

Wasn't he third in the wheel of Leipheimer? I remember Leipheimer was second overall in Catalunya, but had to leave on the final day because of being sick.