Me Thinks Andy Should Ride The Giro in 2012

[The Hitch]

Wasn't he third in the wheel of Leipheimer? I remember Leipheimer was second overall in Catalunya, but had to leave on the final day because of being sick.

Scarponi was 2nd on the stage but for some reason Levi was 2nd on GC.

 

[airstream]

You think hes weak, judging by alll the times you said that Contador would struggle to drop Evans with the form he toyed with Scarponi, and the times you said that there was no competition in the Giro.

As a result I think hes underrated so that statement is wrong on 2 counts.

All I said about Scarponi was:
1. He's not flexible because of using monstrous gears. He's similar to Basso in this regard, but has better punch.
2. He doesn't like the climbing goes in ragged rhythm. Such moments can knock out him.
You equate this to downgrading. OK.
I just can't draw parallels as you do because every race is a thing-in-itself. Otherwise we'd conclude that Voeckler could have won the 2010 TdF, having this year handicap and being in this year form.

Scarponi is a great rider of the Giro calibre, but I'm sure he'd look mediocre in the Tour.

 

[Angliru]

if he got the Giro 11 form next tour he will not loose more than 20 sec max on the 2 tts, mybe even win some seconds
but i might be wrong

...and thanks for understanding that I actually meant this year's Giro
(2011). You could be right about the TT's, especially if you consider the fact that he's stated his intention of competing in the Olympic ITT and thus will be spending more time on his TT bike over the course of the season in preparation.

 

[Angliru]

Form is usually measured with the balance of the rivals' strength.

So is this in reference to the Giro 2011 or the Tour 2009 or both?

 

[airstream]

So is this in reference to the Giro 2011 or the Tour 2009 or both?

It always works. Scarponi was in his limiting concentration at the Giro. He couldn't be stronger. Nibali rather disappointed.

 

[El Pistolero]

It always works. Scarponi was in his limiting concentration at the Giro. He couldn't be stronger. Nibali rather disappointed.

Nibali didn't disappoint, he's just not nearly as good as some people seem to think.

 

[airstream]

Nibali didn't disappoint, he's just not nearly as good as some people seem to think.

After the Vuelta we had the right to expect more from him, furthermore Nibali himself gave his 2nd place to Scarponi on the descent from Passo Giau. He is still young and everyone had thought he's able to get stronger, but he obviously couldn't, though I initially considered their chances equally.

 

[Nick C.]

Nibali didn't disappoint, he's just not nearly as good as some people seem to think.

Isn't that the definition of disappointing.

 

[Angliru]

After the Vuelta we had the right to expect more from him, furthermore Nibali himself gave his 2nd place to Scarponi on the descent from Passo Giau. He is still young and everyone had thought he's able to get stronger, but he obviously couldn't, though I initially considered their chances equally.

Using your logic of one's form being based on the quality of the competition, Nibali's primary competition was Mosquera and Frank Schleck, coming to the Vuelta after recovering from a broken clavicle at the early stages of the Tour. Compare that to who he faced in the Giro. So could we then surmise that at the Vuelta his victory should be less of an accomplishment considering the level of his competition? And if so doesn't this contradict your point all together? Why should we have expected more from him at the Giro? He performed admirably but was simply put into the red too often by Contador and it's also possible that his lack of experience compared to Scarponi was the difference in the end.

 

[airstream]

Using your logic of one's form being based on the quality of the competition, Nibali's primary competition was Mosquera and Frank Schleck, coming to the Vuelta after recovering from a broken clavicle at the early stages of the Tour. Compare that to who he faced in the Giro. So could we then surmise that at the Vuelta his victory should be less of an accomplishment considering the level of his competition? And if so doesn't this contradict your point all together? Why should we have expected more from him at the Giro? He performed admirably but was simply put into the red too often by Contador and it's also possible that his lack of experience compared to Scarponi was the difference in the end.

Naturally I don't compare the Giro and the Vuelta fields, but in my opinion he was stronger in the 2010 Giro than in the Vuelta. Nevertheless the fact itself must have added him more confidence and experience, but it didn't happen. Nibali showed a lot of maturity without trying to keep up Contador on Etna and GrossGlockner, but on Gardeccia he surrended on his own practically in the situation which didn't require any attacks. There was the impression that ridiculous raid took away all his power for the 3rd week. Sure, I mean a tactical myopia primarily. Nobody expected that he was flying on the mountains as Contador did.

 

[El Pistolero]

Isn't that the definition of disappointing.

He didn't disappoint me. Over-hyped would be a better word to describe him. At least by some. How is getting third at the Giro disappointing? Who expects him to beat Contador lol.

 

[Christian]

Bruyneel: "If Andy rides the Giro, it will be for the win, and it is not incompatible with the Tour"

If we decide to do it (ride the Giro), it will be for the win. It will not be incompatible with the Tour. Let us not forget that the 2011 Giro was of extreme difficulty, and that Contador won easily. Today, I am convinced that without the crashes, he could also have won the Tour.

http://www.biciciclismo.com/cas/site/noticias-ficha.asp?id=45615

 

[will10]

It will be interesting to see if Frank also rides the Giro if Andy does.

 

[c&cfan]

Bruyneel: "If Andy rides the Giro, it will be for the win, and it is not incompatible with the Tour"

If we decide to do it (ride the Giro), it will be for the win. It will not be incompatible with the Tour. Let us not forget that the 2011 Giro was of extreme difficulty, and that Contador won easily. Today, I am convinced that without the crashes, he could also have won the Tour.

http://www.biciciclismo.com/cas/site/noticias-ficha.asp?id=45615

finally he said something that makes sense.

 

[ferryman]

Watching the latest videos from the Team Schleck/Shack training camp in Spain, me thinks not is all right. Did you see how disinterested and distant Andy is? He does not look like he is in a happy place. A fall out with Bruyneel on the cards over the Giro?

 

[The Hitch]

I thought Radioshack dismissed Giro totally. Now its back on? What is it that Gesink pulled out now they think Andy has a chance

 

[greenedge]

I think if Andy goes to the Giro Frank should not go, nor Kloden. I'm sure Busche, Voigt, Horner, Machado and a few others would provide adequate support for Andy. Better to save Frank, Kloden, Cancellara and the others for the TDF ( though Cancellara will compete for the one day races of course )

 

[SHAD0W93]

I think if Andy goes to the Giro Frank should not go, nor Kloden. I'm sure Busche, Voigt, Horner, Machado and a few others would provide adequate support for Andy. Better to save Frank, Kloden, Cancellara and the others for the TDF ( though Cancellara will compete for the one day races of course )

Than Frank can support Kloedi while Monfort can go to Vuelta again and they can win all 3.

 

[Eshnar]

Bruyneel: "Let us not forget that the 2011 Giro was of extreme difficulty...."

Omg this bs about the difficulty of 2011 again