Member Suspension Appreciation/Depreciation Thread

[Zam_Olyas]

Fubar system.

 

[Benotti69]

Fubar system.

FUBAR sport!

 

[Libertine Seguros]

We have no moderation at all so no moderators. But we have an administration team so there is not only one person responsible for the decisions we take about the site. I'm member of the administration team, but I prefer to have advocacy role, ( I think this is the right expression) ha ha ..

Admins take care for the good condition of our server and the portal/forum and have an eye to delete unwanted ads if we have such cases.. ( sometimes bots pass the automatic filters that we have for this job).

We don't allow members to post ads from their accounts, and have double accounts as well ( but this is not written somewhere), and that's all. No word filters, no moderation, no bans, no punishments.

If someone does the mistake to insult anyone in there, s/he is by his or her own. Nobody is going to save him from the "public" outcry.

In case of very vile and insulting posts we don't delete them but we hide them and we write that "this post is hidden because it was derogatory". But this happens rarely because people who sign up in the forum have already read it, ( it is public) so they know what is going to be their "fate" if they don't respect the rest.

Members are not infants to need someone to tell them how to behave, and because we expect them to behave as adults, they do so.

Here is our statistics http://www.statscrop.com/www/podilates.gr

and here the forum. http://www.podilates.gr/forum

And the rules: Not that many.. http://www.podilates.gr/node/7891

Sometimes that approach works well. Sometimes it really doesn't. I think this forum is a bit too large and unwieldy (and has too many regular posters with deeply entrenched views, myself included) for it to be able to work unmoderated. I don't use the ignore button and I've never reported a post as far as I can recall. But if you treat a forum like a colony, I can imagine that in the unlikely event that Clinic stuff stays in the Clinic and PRR stays untouched by that, we'd have a handful of pleasant farming settlements where everybody lives well off the land and discovers great new worlds and builds new societies together... and a couple of places that wind up like a cross between Lord of the Flies and Battle Royale. There are too many entrenched viewpoints and too many divisive matters on this forum for it to be able to run peacefully unmoderated; the forum is too large and unwieldy for that. Also, the forum's been around too long with moderation for it to be able to be removed without having an immediate and negative effect as those sidelined by moderation return to swarm and feed off their new-found freedom to do as they please without having to find new IPs like vultures honing in on a fresh carcass.

I'm sure we regulars at this forum have all had our fair share of disagreements with various moderation decisions over the course of time, we've all thought some rules put in are stupid, hated that the horrendously inconsistent word filter will let us use some expletives, but we can't talk about the latest political happenings in a country between Afghanistan and India, or use a colloquialism for a small laugh, however I'm equally sure that we would miss the moderation if it were no longer there, as a hundred BPC alter egos run riot and we get a 2000-post megathread of Joachim and thehog calling each other words usually reserved for sailors, drinking halls, establishments of the night and Bradley Wiggins.

 

[Telmisartan new]

I agree with your post LS,we need the moderation.

I dont use ignore either,not sure there is any point to it tbh and i have also never reported a post,its a bit too much like telling the teacher for me but without mods it would most probably descend into chaos on a forum with so many strong views and such a large membership.

 

[alitogata]

Sometimes that approach works well. Sometimes it really doesn't. I think this forum is a bit too large and unwieldy (and has too many regular posters with deeply entrenched views, myself included) for it to be able to work unmoderated. I don't use the ignore button and I've never reported a post as far as I can recall. But if you treat a forum like a colony, I can imagine that in the unlikely event that Clinic stuff stays in the Clinic and PRR stays untouched by that, we'd have a handful of pleasant farming settlements where everybody lives well off the land and discovers great new worlds and builds new societies together... and a couple of places that wind up like a cross between Lord of the Flies and Battle Royale. There are too many entrenched viewpoints and too many divisive matters on this forum for it to be able to run peacefully unmoderated; the forum is too large and unwieldy for that. Also, the forum's been around too long with moderation for it to be able to be removed without having an immediate and negative effect as those sidelined by moderation return to swarm and feed off their new-found freedom to do as they please without having to find new IPs like vultures honing in on a fresh carcass.

I'm sure we regulars at this forum have all had our fair share of disagreements with various moderation decisions over the course of time, we've all thought some rules put in are stupid, hated that the horrendously inconsistent word filter will let us use some expletives, but we can't talk about the latest political happenings in a country between Afghanistan and India, or use a colloquialism for a small laugh, however I'm equally sure that we would miss the moderation if it were no longer there, as a hundred BPC alter egos run riot and we get a 2000-post megathread of Joachim and thehog calling each other words usually reserved for sailors, drinking halls, establishments of the night and Bradley Wiggins.

I think that is not a matter of size and for sure not a matter of habit. The size of a site can change dramatically when people can't express what they want due to excess moderation and on the other hand habits, like having moderated discussions, can change depend on what admins want to do in their site.

Let me make something clear. I didn't get involved in this discussion because I want to change something here. After all I don't post so often, ( I explained the reasons in a previous post), and I know very few things about who are the regular posters, who quarrels often, who has a second account and such things.

I'm writing some things that I know from my experience because I was impressed that exists such a forum topic with so many post replies. This means that there is some kind of problem with the site's moderation, to ignite such kind of complaints, ( because I read here mostly complaints about unfair bans etc).

If the member's of a forum, feel the need to talk about something unfair, and open such a forum topic, there's something that doesn't work right for sure. It allows a third party to think that moderation works like a punishment committee, who sacks people, because doesn't like their point of view, or because they said "bad words", ( naughty kids ), or because they don't like some not so mainstream and politically or socially correct ideas. ( but someone can have whatever ideas wants.. don't you agree?? )

This is not the right role for a moderation team in my opinion. Moderation exist to allow the discussion go on.

As for the hot topics with the thousands post, were the most quarrels and bans happen, do you really think that there is someone in this world, so patient to read them entirely in order to search for information in there?? This kind of topics have become more like chats. Who cares if the member x, quarreled with the member z and the member y report the post because someone called him stupid and then the moderation team gave some bans.. None.. trust me!!

Anyway.. there was a time that we had similar discussions in our forum, which of course is not that big, but big enough for the size of my country's cycling community. After lot of talking and some experiments we end up in the conclusion that the best moderated forum is the one that is less moderated.

We realized that we've spent energy and time in order to try to govern people that we had no right to govern, for things that were not so important after all. And the site worked fine without our moderation involvement.

 

[Netserk]

The problem is when two or three posters make a thread unreadable for the rest. Believe it or not but many here actually read everything that is written in the big threads.

For example LL. Many posters contributed with lots of interesting things to the Armstrong threads, but due to LL many stopped reading them. The same can be said with Joachim. They make great threads unreadable. All they need is just one person who responds to them (which will happen with so many involved in the big threads) to fill the threads so that all the great posts get lost in the mess.

And if you haven't read any of the big threads when LL or Joachim were active, then I'm afraid you really don't know what you are talking about.

 

[ElChingon]

The real problem is, someone who lives in nirvana comes here to supposed hell to post. A problem who's solution should be obvious.

 

[Amsterhammer]

My two cents - I have only ever been a member of one unmoderated forum, where you could literally post anything you wanted (except porn - it was a football forum). I haven't posted there in years now, and many of the original posters also stopped posting because too many topics wound up as personal slanging matches. The theory of an unmoderated forum is great; in practice, at least in my experience, it simply doesn't work in the long run.

The CN forum has, from its inception, attracted a substantial number of people whose major raison d'etre on the webz is to troll and annoy. Some of these are still members today, though they should have been banned years ago, imo. It is because of a small minority that this place needs to be moderated. The quality, and the even-handedness of this moderation (or lack thereof,) is another matter entirely.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Whats up with mastersracer? Still banned? Must have been very bad when compared to what that Papp fella did.

 

[Netserk]

sniper is also still banned...

#clue

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

sniper is also still banned...

#clue

I call that as he - mastersracer - created a sockpuppet whilst being banned. Question remains, is that really worse than what Joey Pills pulled on this board?

 

[Netserk]

I call that as he - mastersracer - created a sockpuppet whilst being banned. Question remains, is that really worse than what Joey Pills pulled on this board?

That was before my time (as a mod), so I can't really comment on that.

 

[hiero2]

The real problem is, someone who lives in nirvana comes here to supposed hell to post. A problem who's solution should be obvious.

Awww. El! Are you volunteering to change your stripes? Have you asked yourself today if you are one of the perennial unbanned trolls that Amsterhammer speaks of?



Don't worry, at this moment, I am merely laughing, hopefully WITH you, not at you. This whole forum has a lot more contention per mile than most. We have a number of posters who like it this way - including some who are happy with the contention among their "group", but unhappy with similar behavior from the table of friends sitting next to them.

We have some posters who spoke of seeing what they could do to disrupt these forums, elsewhere, before they came here to post. We have plenty with very negative viewpoints and thinking.

All in all, it makes moderating, keeping things peaceful enough so that conversations can be heard, quite difficult. I haven't always agreed with things as seen by other mods - but I know we are all trying to do exactly this - keep the conversations going - no more, no less - and those who have been banned have proven themselves, to be unwilling to not create a fight. Having a disputed conversation? On. Fighting? Not on. A ban means they couldn't stop themselves - or wouldn't - from maliciously disrupting the conversation - or fighting.

 

[Scott SoCal]

We have a system? I thought you could take anything that rustles your jimmies and decide it violates a forum rule.

That's how I'd moderate.

Rustle my jimmies, you're gone. Up to you to figure out what actually rustles my jimmies.

Bad-mouthing Trappist beer rustles my jimmies (for example).

 

[airstream]

Lol, sniper is banned, tank91 and serfla are banned too. God forbid, Froomester will win the Tour by 5 mins and then Libertine canstop following cycling. We are under the threat of losing our best cadres.

 

[TANK91]

My ban was silly, i agree my words were strong saying your a joke, but 1 needs to look at that persons post for me to say it. And just wow baiting the Contador thread you say? Well when i say Contador is the best stage racer of his generation, but he is getting dominated by someone, which any normal person would agree that is something unique, i get called a troll. Then in another post the person is saying what i been saying all along that Froome is just stronger yet 2 mins ago im called a troll for pointing it out. I repeat im sorry for calling you a joke Parrulo, but i was annoyed by your post in a road racing forum.

 

[TANK91]

Lol, sniper is banned, tank91 and serfla are banned too. God forbid, Froomester will win the Tour by 5 mins and then Libertine canstop following cycling. We are under the threat of losing our best cadres.

I know lol, if Froome wins by big margin i wonder if those who called it are still trolls.

It really bugs me so much when you get called a troll i dont no about you? but seriously winds me up. When i see a good performance i acknowled it i promise annd i swear down if Contador or be it Andy Schleck crack Froome i would acknowledge how strong and gifted a ride it was but when i say the obvious im baiting.

Look at my post when i said i dont think second as long as a stage win and not getting dominated uphill is not a bad result atall, but no its Contador only first matters what is so bad finishing second, i mean if Contador this is Contador were talking about gets beat by someone then that person must be pretty damn good but no 1 see's that side of it.

 

[Cyivel]

Welcome back TANK91 brother.

 

[Granville57]

I know lol, if Froome wins by big margin i wonder if those who called it are still trolls.

It really bugs me so much when you get called a troll i dont no about you? but seriously winds me up. When i see a good performance i acknowled it i promise annd i swear down if Contador or be it Andy Schleck crack Froome i would acknowledge how strong and gifted a ride it was but when i say the obvious im baiting.

Look at my post when i said i dont think second as long as a stage win and not getting dominated uphill is not a bad result atall, but no its Contador only first matters what is so bad finishing second, i mean if Contador this is Contador were talking about gets beat by someone then that person must be pretty damn good but no 1 see's that side of it.

I had to read your post three times and I still can't quite understand it.

If you've been trolling in the past, I'm not sure how anyone was able to tell.

 

[LaFlorecita]

I had to read your post three times and I still can't quite understand it.

If you've been trolling in the past, I'm not sure how anyone was able to tell.

Agree man though some things i understood were "Froome BOSS" "lol" "lmao" and of course the brilliant line "Look at my post when i said i dont think second as long as a stage win and not getting dominated uphill is not a bad result atall, but no its Contador only first matters what is so bad finishing second, i mean if Contador this is Contador were talking about gets beat by someone then that person must be pretty damn good but no 1 see's that side of it." Yes that is one sentence.

 

[TANK91]

Agree man though some things i understood were "Froome BOSS" "lol" "lmao" and of course the brilliant line "Look at my post when i said i dont think second as long as a stage win and not getting dominated uphill is not a bad result atall, but no its Contador only first matters what is so bad finishing second, i mean if Contador this is Contador were talking about gets beat by someone then that person must be pretty damn good but no 1 see's that side of it." Yes that is one sentence.

Yeh yeh whatever, im a troll for saying Froome is better yet you agree in other posts whose the troll?

You are the most touchy person on this forum FACT. No 1 can be better than Alberto he is off form bla bla. This is 2013 in the present not 2009 in the past deal with it. Ive never belittled you on this forum yet you do it to me

 

[alitogata]

Yeh yeh whatever, im a troll for saying Froome is better yet you agree in other posts whose the troll?

You are the most touchy person on this forum FACT. No 1 can be better than Alberto he is off form bla bla. This is 2013 in the present not 2009 in the past deal with it. Ive never belittled you on this forum yet you do it to me

Does Froome know about these??? Condador perhaps??

 

[spalco]

Agree man though some things i understood were "Froome BOSS" "lol" "lmao" and of course the brilliant line "Look at my post when i said i dont think second as long as a stage win and not getting dominated uphill is not a bad result atall, but no its Contador only first matters what is so bad finishing second, i mean if Contador this is Contador were talking about gets beat by someone then that person must be pretty damn good but no 1 see's that side of it." Yes that is one sentence.

Didn't you complain about people making fun of your English just a couple days ago in this very same thread?

eta: no, it was the "moderators" thread:

Pretty sad, native English speakers making fun of a non-native speaker because said person hasn't heard of the expression "crash and burn" before.

Wishing for a rider to crash is not allowed on this forum so I am well within my rights to report posts that contain such wishes. I was wrong this time. I already apologized. But don't let this stop you from making fun of me.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

FACT No 1 BOSS brah.

BOO YA KA SHA!!!!! Hear me now, boss, selecta, swallow back, holler, big up ya self, everything that I in.

Wagwaan Check Dis 1.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Didn't you complain about people making fun of your English just a couple days ago in this very same thread?

eta: no, it was the "moderators" thread:

There is a difference between my posts and his. Can you spot it?