Mens Journal article

[NashbarShorts]

Martha Stewart is still doing her thing on TV. Everyday, she moved on.
Her daughter and her girlfriend has a show and makes fun of her Mom's old shows. I think they are all sweet. I have no issue with Martha or Lance.

Wow, I think the other poster is right. You really COULD open up a "revisionism consultancy" boutique, specialization: apologisms.

For example: Martha Stewart rose to wealth and popularity based upon her expertise in cooking, baking, and homemaking. She went to jail over an inside stock tip. She did NOT go to jail b/c she was exposed as a total fraud in her areas of expertise.

So again, what exactly was the point you were trying to make???

You're comparing apples to oranges. Or as Martha might say, lavender-scented potpourri to cinnamon-ginger scones.

 

[Anonymous]

Welcome back. I never knew you were so fundamentally important until a 500 post thread about you blew up.

Sometimes I can't stand you. Sometimes you're right on the money. Sometimes you are very funny. Sometimes you just try and fail.

But the forum seems to love you, so you can add another name to the list of those who love you. Your Mom now has company.

I would submit that any person who knows me, up to and including my mother, could have written that statement.

Thanks for the welcome back!

 

[JPM London]

Well we know of Lance's VO2Max, his average physique...you know the data, don't ask. And yes they all doped, but Lance brought a gun to a knife fight.

Take away Lance's gun and I will provide you with a long, long list Polish.

NW

Well he would have, wouldn't he... Being all "in" with the Irish mob as he is.

 

[Cobblestoned]

Well we know of Lance's VO2Max, his average physique...you know the data, don't ask. And yes they all doped, but Lance brought a gun to a knife fight.

Take away Lance's gun and I will provide you with a long, long list Polish.

NW

Lance is a magnificent sniper - while others don't even hit a pumpkin out of 1-meter distance.
Average physic - lol again
Just go on with your VO2Max nonsense.

"Lance just doped more, has average physics and is without talent." - This is what all the haters want to tell and its proven by themselfes each other - 10.000 times in 1.000 variations.
But again: really entertaining.

 

[Neworld]

Lance is a magnificent sniper ...

Stoned,

Lance is average, sorry for the news flash.

He compiled undeniably the strongest team(s) throughout his deceitful wins as even an average sportsman like him knew that winning the TdF cannot be realized by his average self. Combine that with lying, doping, bullying and extortion...and yes an average, gun-slinging, unhappy soul like him can win.

Lance is in a free fall and not even your rhetoric call catch him.

NW

 

[flicker]

Stoned,

Lance is average, sorry for the news flash.

He compiled undeniably the strongest team(s) throughout his deceitful wins as even an average sportsman like him knew that winning the TdF cannot be realized by his average self. Combine that with lying, doping, bullying and extortion...and yes an average, gun-slinging, unhappy soul like him can win.

Lance is in a free fall and not even your rhetoric call catch him.

NW

Dems' fighten words Tex.

 

[Polish]

PS: I never bought into Lance. When he was beating riders superior to him, and acted like an A$$hole, I would cheer on every rider but him.

NW

Neworld, you're not able to name any of these "superior" riders?
Just a "long list" of make believe coulda/shoulda/woulda's?
Thats ok I guess.

You say you NEVER "bought into" Lance.
When did you start "shopping". When did you first watch Lance race and know he just an average rider beating superior guys?
2009?.....1999?......1989?

The reason I ask - if I am going to debate a Lance topic, I like to understand if I am dealing with a newbie "Joe Public" that thinks Lance is "that big cheater guy", or if I am dealing with a multi-decades long hater.

It is going to get increasingly hard to tell them apart, and I hope you understand why I ask.

 

[buckwheat]

Neworld, you're not able to name any of these "superior" riders?
Just a "long list" of make believe coulda/shoulda/woulda's?
Thats ok I guess.

You say you NEVER "bought into" Lance.
When did you start "shopping". When did you first watch Lance race and know he just an average rider beating superior guys?
2009?.....1999?......1989?

The reason I ask - if I am going to debate a Lance topic, I like to understand if I am dealing with a newbie "Joe Public" that thinks Lance is "that big cheater guy", or if I am dealing with a multi-decades long hater.

It is going to get increasingly hard to tell them apart, and I hope you understand why I ask.

He's been cheating for at least 15 years, and I would think about 21 years based on his early work with Crawford and Carmichael. What explains your love affair?

 

[theswordsman]

"The Case Against Lance" October 2010 issue of Men's Journal is online at zinio.com. You can zoom 3 double pages for free. Closing the browser and clearing cookies gives you 3 more zooms. The article starts on page 80.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Neworld, you're not able to name any of these "superior" riders?
Just a "long list" of make believe coulda/shoulda/woulda's?
Thats ok I guess.

You say you NEVER "bought into" Lance.
When did you start "shopping". When did you first watch Lance race and know he just an average rider beating superior guys?
2009?.....1999?......1989?

The reason I ask - if I am going to debate a Lance topic, I like to understand if I am dealing with a newbie "Joe Public" that thinks Lance is "that big cheater guy", or if I am dealing with a multi-decades long hater.

It is going to get increasingly hard to tell them apart, and I hope you understand why I ask.

Polish, my sincere apologies - in all this time of reading your posts I never realized you were debating.


I think its time the Mods added a new wing to the Clinic.
A rehabilitation center or some sort of halfway house - to help those getting back to reality - maybe we could hit Livestrong (the charity) for a grant for a 'survivorship' programme or awareness campaign?

 

[Neworld]

Neworld, you're not able to name any of these "superior" riders?
Just a "long list" of make believe coulda/shoulda/woulda's?
Thats ok I guess.

You mean for example, the list of athletes that 'woulda' won if Marion Jones/Carl Lewis weren't juiced and cheated them out of how many Gold? Ya those lists! Lance is average and people are now not debating 'if' LA took PEDs but that 'everyone was' and so his behavior was acceptable. Its more likely that LA took superior drugs with unparalleled team support and political malevolence to propel his very good, but not great, attributes to win.

You say you NEVER "bought into" Lance. The reason I ask - if I am going to debate a Lance topic, I like to understand if I am dealing with a newbie "Joe Public" that thinks Lance is "that big cheater guy", or if I am dealing with a multi-decades long hater.

Firstly, I never bought in to 'the Lance'. Sorry dude some people can sniff out a loser quite quickly.

Secondly, you want to know about me, humm. I will meet you half way and offer up some personal items and see if you do so in return. Either way you may never believe me and I not of you. I am 41, started cycling in 1986. At that time I became a cycling.

Thirdly, I am neither of your categories (joe pub nor 'long hater'). I have been following cycling since the late 80s. I do not hate anyone including LA. I feel sorry for him and his sad life which is now in grave jeopardy. But, he was and is the captain of his own sinking ship.

So, are you a Newbie? Are you a long-time LA supporter or just enjoy debating and being adversarial? Do you think LA doped? Do you think that LAs behavior is acceptable and deserved of millions in endorsements? Do you think he should be a true, ethically pristine, representative of Oncological initiatives? Do you think cancer patients deserve to know that he is a cancer survivor that cheated and lied his way to fame and fortune?

Please answer the questions with answers and not more questions, otherwise you are wasting everyones time.

NW

 

[Anonymous]

Article here as a pdf to download
http://www.mediafire.com/file/1vnzdga5dcd229c/lance-mensjournal.pdf

 

[Polish]

Its more likely that LA took superior drugs with unparalleled team support and political malevolence to propel his very good, but not great, attributes to win.

You are now saying Lance is "very good" instead of "average".
And you are realizing that there are other factors besides PEDs.
good so far

Firstly, I never bought in to 'the Lance'. Sorry dude some people can sniff out a loser quite quickly.

But when did you first sniff? Lance's World Win? Did you see a Doper then?

Secondly, you want to know about me, humm. I will meet you half way and offer up some personal items and see if you do so in return. Either way you may never believe me and I not of you. I am 41, started cycling in 1986. At that time I became a cycling.

I also started following Pro cycling in 1986. 87/88 a little bit.
But from 1989 on, a non-stop cycling fanboy.

Big Big Mig Fan from 92 onwards and still to this day.
Did not even suspect him a doper until after Festina

Opened a Bike Shop in 1997 and still in business.
Never carried Treks. Briefly carried Lemonds.
Stocked Bianchi/Colnago & Litespeed/Serotta always.
Bici's & Bike's you might say]Are you a long-time LA supporter or just enjoy debating and being adversarial? Do you think LA doped? Do you think that LAs behavior is acceptable and deserved of millions in endorsements? Do you think he should be a true, ethically pristine, representative of Oncological initiatives? Do you think cancer patients deserve to know that he is a cancer survivor that cheated and lied his way to fame and fortune?

Please answer the questions with answers and not more questions, otherwise you are wasting everyones time.

NW[/QUOTE]

I was a mild Lance Fan in his early career. His "brashness" was a bit tiresome, but he raced aggressively and was entertaining. Not a big fan.

When he announced he had cancer, I truly thought he would be dead in a few months.

When he survived and started racing again I was suprised.
When he retired after his cancer comeback I was impressed with his results, meager as they were. But bravo big time.

But when he cameback again and raced to 4th in the Worlds and 4th in the Vuelta, I stood up and became a Big Fanboy. Been that way ever since.

 

[Hugh Januss]

But when he cameback again and raced to 4th in the Worlds and 4th in the Vuelta, I stood up and became a Big Fanboy. Been that way ever since.

I bet I know what part "stood up" the most, but I don't want to think about it anymore.

 

[NashbarShorts]

I remember being very bummed when Marco denied doping in 98...but oh well - still a Big FanBoy.
Still a Big Big Mig Fanboy too. No longer a Big Lemond fanboy however

?? You listed 4 cyclists (Pantani, Mig, Lemond, LA), and mention you know or are suspicious that 3 of them doped (Pantani, Mig, LA), yet you are an admitted "fanboy" of those 3. The 1 of the 4 that seems not to have been a doper (Lemond), you once liked, but no longer like.

Care to explain the fickleness of your affections? Just curious.

 

[Neworld]

You are now saying Lance is "very good" instead of "average". And you are realizing that there are other factors besides PEDs.
good so far

Very good, or average, are not Great or even unbelievable, and certainly not good enough to win 7 TdF's in a row. You're not doing so good thus far actually. You sound a bit self righteous with that "good so far" comment Polish.

I am a Bianchi dealer.

Do you like Moser and Ullrich then?

You still don't talk about LA's behavior wrt being cancer philanthropist, lying to dying and desperate people. What is your opinion on him buying off the UCI? Do you think he doped? Just wondering if you can straighten that out for us.

NW

 

[Hugh Januss]

?? You listed 4 cyclists (Pantani, Mig, Lemond, LA), and mention you know or are suspicious that 3 of them doped (Pantani, Mig, LA), yet you are an admitted "fanboy" of those 3. The 1 of the 4 that seems not to have been a doper (Lemond), you once liked, but no longer like.

Care to explain the fickleness of your affections? Just curious.

He is a really staunch fanboy of OMERTA.

 

[flicker]

I think it is pretty interesting that Micheal Douglass would be in the same issue as Lance.
Douglass has had drug problems, fidelity issues, has a child who has serious drug problem and has been sentenced to prison and on top of that prostrate and lymph cancer. He is undergoing treatment at this time. Plus Micheal Douglass is a big pro cycling fan.

Lance: well you all know.

I hope and pray for the best for both of them.

 

[Benotti69]

I think it is pretty interesting that Micheal Douglass would be in the same issue as Lance.
Douglass has had drug problems, fidelity issues, has a child who has serious drug problem and has been sentenced to prison and on top of that prostrate and lymph cancer. He is undergoing treatment at this time. Plus Micheal Douglass is a big pro cycling fan.

Lance: well you all know.

I hope and pray for the best for both of them.

one part of the hollywood machine of myth making the other wishing he could have kept his myth making machine going......

 

[flicker]

Children of the Corn

one part of the hollywood machine of myth making the other wishing he could have kept his myth making machine going......

Wow you are brutal..... Micheal Douglass has two types of cancer and his kid is in the can for 5 years.

It is cool to be smart and witty but that is downright mean. You guys want to kick Micheal D. when he is down? Why? Why the hate? Why hate at all.

I am a sunflower child, one who enjoys riding his bicycle through fields of sunflowers in France in July. Haters, please do not hate us you CHILDREN OF THE CORN.

 

[Benotti69]

Wow you are brutal..... Micheal Douglass has two types of cancer and his kid is in the can for 5 years.

It is cool to be smart and witty but that is downright mean. You guys want to kick Micheal D. when he is down? Why? Why the hate? Why hate at all.

it would seem Flicky, the only one kicking MickyD down is his ex who wants millions from his latest film even though they are divorced yonks.

maybe you should email her about hate....

Douglas darling is one s

maybe LA could get into the movies, he definitely could be a unique actor in films such as













porn.

 

[flicker]

Like I said the haters here rmind me of the movie children of the corn.

Micheal Douglass did remind me of what the haters refer to as Lance in his movie Wall Street. Call me a vandal what have you, Gordon Gekko and Lance are twins in the eyes of the haters, I think.

 

[Benotti69]

i bet you'll be downloading his movies though.....

ps dont mix up humour for hate, that's what haters do

 

[flicker]

i bet you'll be downloading his movies though.....

ps dont mix up humour for hate, that's what haters do

I am all up for humor. I might subscribe to Mj, the irony of Micheal Douglass/Gordon Gekko/Armstrong/Public Stratigies does amuse me....

 

[Boeing]

What is the topic here again?