Michael Phelps is coming back ?

[Granville57]

Here is the problem with the philosophy that dominates the Clinic. Blah blah ******* blah

Seriously dude. You've been repeating your assessment of The Clinic, for how long now? And yet you're still here, day after day, hour after hour, minute after minute.

If it's so troubling, then please move on. Otherwise, just shut the **** up. You've become boring beyond words.

 

[RobbieCanuck]

Seriously dude. You've been repeating your assessment of The Clinic, for how long now? And yet you're still here, day after day, hour after hour, minute after minute.

If it's so troubling, then please move on. Otherwise, just shut the **** up. You've become boring beyond words.

Come on Mr. Anonymous. You are complaining about me and you authored that comment about Tommy John surgery, boring enough to put most people asleep and wasting about a page of the thread.

What is obvious is you cannot handle the obvious about the Clinic. There is some great discussion about doping but a lot of it is crap. As Afrank says 90% of it is speculation. So as a result of your inability to engage in constructive conversation you sink to sewer talk.

When I see and read a comment like yours I just think of Hanlon's Razor, " Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."

 

[blackcat]

It is implied in every comment you make about a naturally skilled rider like Contador. He wins a stage or a race or a GT and you and tons of other cynics always say he won because he is doped. You deny and minimize his natural talents which are obviously based on genetics, mental toughness and hard work.

It is your constant mantra about Contador, Froome, Wiggins and so on. It is tiresome, boring, dogmatic and yesterday's news. As Oscar Wilde says "A cynic is a man who knows the price of everything, and the value of nothing."

it is not Contador qua Contador.

It is not the individual.

It is the premise, that an athlete in a highly doped sport which can give more than 20% FTP, amnd in the words of the immortal D-Queued, marginal gains aint a rounding error on a comprehensive (Ferrari) doping program.

If you assess all Olympic sports in track and field, swimming, and track cycling disciplines when a percentage materially significantly lower than 1%, thinking 0.05 - 0.20 of 1%, separate victors from the second place getter.

If you add it all up, and there is a wealth of evidence that the peloton has been infested by doping from top to bottom over the last decades, the obligation stands on you, to make the case why the top talent in the sport now, is in the vicinity of 15% better, potentially 25% better, in FTP terms, so he can neutralise other competitors doping.

Or, like JV, you could make a convincing case that the sport has cleaned up from top to bottom. Like it did in 1999.

No, we heard that before, that is the consistent refrain. Which is BS, and you and JV and everyone knows it.

It is a logic fallacy to think and attempt to make the case that one athlete of a peloton of athletes all off the bell curve in comparison to your parking lot crit A-Grade of Cat 1, it defies credulity.

but you go ahead Canuck, go on.

but dont be a muppet. thats jim hensons lot innit

 

[blackcat]

oh yeah, too,

wrt to me, no character judgements, or smearing of athletes and competitors.

I am not making an assessment on them as standing of poor character.

 

[The Hitch]

It is implied in every comment you make about a naturally skilled rider like Contador. He wins a stage or a race or a GT and you and tons of other cynics always say he won because he is doped.

So that's a "no" then

You deny and minimize his natural talents which are obviously based on genetics, mental toughness and hard work.

I point out that he is a doper. Which he is. That's not denying his natural talent, it's stating a fact.

 

[RobbieCanuck]

blackcat

it is not Contador qua Contador.

It is not the individual.

It is the premise, that an athlete in a highly doped sport which can give more than 20% FTP, amnd in the words of the immortal D-Queued, marginal gains aint a rounding error on a comprehensive (Ferrari) doping program.

If you assess all Olympic sports in track and field, swimming, and track cycling disciplines when a percentage materially significantly lower than 1%, thinking 0.05 - 0.20 of 1%, seperate victors from the second place getter.

What the **** are you talking about. These comments make absolutely no sense whatsoever!

If you add it all up, and there is a wealth of evidence that the peloton has been infested by doping from top to bottom over the last decades, the obligation stands on you, to make the case why the top talent in the sport now, is in the vicinity of 15% better, potentially 25% better, in FTP terms, so he can neutralise other competitors doping.

The wealth of evidence comes from positive tests, riders who have admitted doping and former riders who because of a legal process have been forced to swear under oath to the doping of other riders.

But to suggest that Contador or any other rider is "... now in the vicinity of 15% better..." is absurd. Contador had a terrible 2013 by his standards. He was probably 15% below his normal form. This year he is back to form

Or, like JV, you could make a convincing case that the sport has cleaned up from top to bottom. Like it did in 1999.

No, we heard that before, that is the consistent refrain. Which is BS, and you and JV and everyone knows it.

It is a logic fallacy to think and attempt to make the case that one athlete of a peloton of athletes all off the bell curve in comparison to your parking lot crit A-Grade of Cat 1, it defies credulity.

but you go ahead Canuck, go on.

but dont be a muppet. thats jim hensons lot innit

Once again you make no **** ing sense. Maybe Granville 57 can enlighten us!

 

[RobbieCanuck]

The Hitch

So that's a "no" then

A no what?

I point out that he is a doper. Which he is. That's not denying his natural talent, it's stating a fact.

Prove it. Not with your usual bafflegab but with evidence that has probative value. He who alleges must prove, it doesn't work the other way around.

 

[blackcat]

What the fu<k are you talking about. These comments make absolutely no sense whatsoever!

yeah, you are right on Robbie Canuck. sorry.