Michael Rogers positive for clenbuterol

[Benotti69]

I heard its impossible to find other food than contaminated meat in China so I think foxxy might be on to something.

Everyone knows that the food in China is dodgy. IF Saxo failed to prepare. IF they failed to prepare and Rogers failed to ensure that while in China he wouldn't need to eat 'local' well then shut the f#*k up and take the 2 years a$$hole.

 

[LaFlorecita]

I heard its impossible to find other food than contaminated meat in China so I think foxxy might be on to something.

Shrimp dumplings. But even they contain meat sometimes for whatever reason

Peking duck though <3 Surely they don't feed ducks clenbuterol

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Wtf Foxxy? Were you starving or what? On a 5 day hike through the jungle with no food?

More like 2/3 weeks, sometimes a month. You just get hungry. But a good shot or more (of whiskey or else) after eating is a good medicine. Actually got serious stomach problems just once in 15 "tries". Hope it never changes.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

I heard its impossible to find other food than contaminated meat in China so I think foxxy might be on to something.

Yeah, yeah... just go to China, eat in a 5-Star-Hotel and then let your doc at home control your $hit... You´d be surprised of all the things you ingested. Better don´t try.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

You make it sound like the middle ages. This was a professional bike racing team participating in a country known for contaminated foods. If they failed to prepare then they prepared to fail. I doubt Saxo are this amateurish though and Rogers got busted because he doped. IF they were rank amateurs then they and Rogers got what they deserve.

Middle ages... yeah, we get close to it.
Seriously, I get the impression (after all I learned the past decade of food ingredients) people ate more healthy food back then, "black death" or not...
I still go with the obvious, Rogers ate poisoned food than senseless doping w/clen at the end of the year.
A whole different story it would be if he got caught with Epo, or a dodgy passport...

 

[Merckx index]

Because (and this needs to be driven home by a sledgehammer) foodcontaminations are everyday occurence even in the pure and noble USA and Europe. It's not just those evil Chinese and Mexicans who play loose and fast with regulations.

This needs to be driven home by a sledgehammer:

Food contamination is NOT an everyday occurrence in USA and Europe. It happens very occasionally. US and Europe have standards for CB and other substances in meat. China, Mexico and other countries do not, or if they do, they are widely ignored.

This is why Contador couldn't prove his case. Because he had to establish that eating meat in Spain, which is inspected, could have accounted for his CB levels. And he couldn't. Eating meat in China, Mexico and some other places could have accounted for his levels (during the period of his appeal, several soccer players with much higher levels got off, because they ate meat in Mexico), and though we don't yet know what Rogers' level was, meat is a possibility.

If riders can't or won't prepare when in countries like this, the rock-bottom minimum they can do is record every time and place they eat meat. Personally, i think they should take a sample, but I understand the logistics are difficult.

 

[BroDeal]

If riders can't or won't prepare when in countries like this, the rock-bottom minimum they can do is record every time and place they eat meat. Personally, i think they should take a sample, but I understand the logistics are difficult.

Are they going to store these samples for two or more months? If the testing process worked efficiently then athletes would be notified of adverse results days after a sample was given so they could have people who ate with them tested.

Asit is I think the huge delay between being tested and notified should be part of the defense. the authorities have made it impossible for Rogers to find evidence that might exonerate him.

 

[RobbieCanuck]

Perfect! Thank you. The problem with that advice is chicken ranchers use clenbuterol just like beef ranchers. Same effects, more muscle, less fat. Your chicken will sell at a higher price.

In the EU, the regulatory environment for meat supply is excellent, so an athlete can have confidence in the meat eaten will not turn them positive. My understanding is China does not have the same level of regulatory effectiveness.

While clen is banned in Europe, that does not mean there is good enforcement. It is my understanding that a lot of ranchers in Spain and Portugal still use clen regardless of the law.

 

[hrotha]

While clen is banned in Europe, that does not mean there is good enforcement. It is my understanding that a lot of ranchers in Spain and Portugal still use clen regardless of the law.

But much like cyclists, they have to make sure the cows aren't glowing when it's time to slaughter them. And if the cows ain't glowing, the cyclist ain't going to glow either.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Maybe Rogers will take the "I was doping, but I wasn't doping with that" Landis path, and blow the lid off of Sky.

 

[Clausfarre]

There is the devilish possibility that teams know which dodgy eateries in China commonly serve clen-meat and then frequent that as a precaution to serve as backup alibi for possible clenbuterol positives.

Just a (dark) thought.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Maybe Rogers will take the "I was doping, but I wasn't doping with that" Landis path, and blow the lid off of Sky.

Won´t happen...

 

[Ferminal]

Maybe Rogers will take the "I was doping, but I wasn't doping with that" Landis path, and blow the lid off of Sky.

Yeh, like O'Grady did.

 

[senatorrick]

Frickin serious!!

I read the forum amongst other things on cycling news every day several times a day. You guys are so freaking blind and amazingly board that you actually think that Michael Rogers was the only one that was exposed to bad beef how come no other riders that ate the same **** in China and tested positive??? Ohh just poor unlucky Mik!!

 

[Ferminal]

Why don't you ask him:

Beijing, People's Republic of China


Head of the Laboratory

Pr. Youxuan Xu
Director
National Anti-Doping Laboratory
China Anti-Doping Agency

Rogers was tested by Tokyo after the Japan Cup (a race he won, may not have been many more urine samples), samples from the Tour of Beijing were probably not taken to Tokyo.

 

[oldcrank]

I don't disagree with you.

A court or the UCI in this case can't and won't judge him on anything that occurred in the past.

But even if contaminated there not much room for movement. Cycling Australia don't want to be as weak on dopers after USADA Matt White etc.

I'd say 18 months. Question is; will Saxo sack him?

Career over I'd say. Hard to come back from here at 35.

It appears you are not aware that if he is found guilty, the sanctions
will not be determined by Cycling Australia, my friend.

 

[frenchfry]

The problem here is that the drug Rogers tested positive for is at the same time one of todays drugs of choice for increasing performance, and easily ingested by eating contaminated food.

The dilemma is that we cannot ever know whether the rider was indeed doping, or is a "victim" of contamination. If indeed Rogers is innocent (this time!) it is devastating to have tested positive, however if indeed he was taking clen the contamination excuse is just too convenient.

Reminds me of the case of Alain Baxter, the British skier who came from nowhere to win a bronze in slalom at the 2002 olympics. He claimed the positive for methamphetamine came from a Vicks inhaler purchased in the US for which the contents were different from those found in the UK version. As I recall, methamphetamine is a useful drug for slalomers because it helps their reactions when skiing through slalom gates. I still haven't decided whether I thing he was doping or unfairly punished. It is just too convenient to come up with a contamination excuse for a drug that is also performance enhancing.

 

[Alex Simmons/RST]

I read the forum amongst other things on cycling news every day several times a day. You guys are so freaking blind and amazingly board that you actually think that Michael Rogers was the only one that was exposed to bad beef how come no other riders that ate the same **** in China and tested positive??? Ohh just poor unlucky Mik!!

Perhaps you can help and tell us which of those other riders that ate the same **** were also tested?

 

[will10]

The problem here is that the drug Rogers tested positive for is at the same time one of todays drugs of choice for increasing performance, and easily ingested by eating contaminated food.

I'm not convinced that's true. Clenbuterol takes ages to clear the body, in the human body you're talking a half-life of 34-36 hours. If we take the Contador case and his 50pg positive test, even seriously low microdose regimes are going to be detectable for days, maybe even a week after. As a result I seriously doubt anyone is taking clen close to races.

I can certainly see the benefits of a clen cycle in the off-season, however, particularly if you're regularly hitting the training camps which undoubtably reduces the amount of OOC testing you will be subject to.

Personally I'm confident that the Rogers case is a contamination issue. It's possible that given the pressure for results Saxo Bank riders were under at the end of the season, he may have figured that Beijing and Japan were opportunities to take a risk to nab a result or two, with a limited chance of being tested.

Ultimately the athlete is strictly liable for what they consume, and I expect Rogers to be sanctioned - he stands next to no chance of proving his "innocence" in this case,IMO. Although I'd prefer to see no contamination cases knocking about, the number of bullets this guy has dodged...well, it's about time he got popped one way or another.

Apologies if this has been covered already.

 

[Ripper]

My guess is as follows: small (micro) amounts of clen contamination are likely more common that we appreciate. I think when the some folks are being popped it is because something else is turning up that is too contentious to base the case on, so the clen becomes something to base a ban on. Take conti ... lots of rumours that there was evidence of blood bag use, but the tests for that would not have made the case. So testers could see there was an issue, but needed something to make a charge stick, and lo and behold they get traces of clen and now they can make a case.

In other words, if everything was A-OK, I doubt a micro finding of clen would be something WADA would necessarily launch after.

JMO

 

[Morbius]

how come no other riders that ate the same **** in China and tested positive

We don't know how many were actually tested. Maybe the podium plus 2? Rogers won, so he would be tested.

 

[Tom T.]

It's ludicrous that people are thinking this might be from contaminated meat. Of course he was taking it for performance reasons. It's what pro cyclists do.

 

[LaFlorecita]

It's ludicrous that people are thinking this might be from contaminated meat. Of course he was taking it for performance reasons. It's what pro cyclists do.

Why would he take frigging clen for the frigging Japan Cup.

 

[coinneach]

Why would he take frigging clen for the frigging Japan Cup.

Have you never read Rough Ride?

They take PED's if they are not going to be tested, or think they are not going to be tested.

Rogers has been around long enough to know how it works

 

[hrotha]

Have you never read Rough Ride?

They take PED's if they are not going to be tested, or think they are not going to be tested.

Rogers has been around long enough to know how it works

Presumably he also knows the winner of a race gets tested. The exceptions stand out so much we get puzzled tweets by Dan Martin about them.