Michael Rogers

[maxmartin]

and Roger's performance in this year Tour is better than his Ferrari years while he is getting older

that clearly shows SKY is doing something dodgy

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/rogers-it-was-a-mistake-to-work-with-ferrari

 

[manafana]

sky have alot to answer for either way.

 

[maxmartin]

well at least he can get Amnesty

 

[Hillavoider]

Rogers has never been a doper as he rides for Team Sky!!

 

[thehog]

Check his passport. If he's an Australia then he's hasn't doped. If he's Italian then he's a full on dope head.

Spanish or French even worse.

 

[BigBoat]

For him to say Ferrari is the best coach in the world is complete and total BS.

 

[palmerq]

and Roger's performance in this year Tour is better than his Ferrari years while he is getting older

that clearly shows SKY is doing something dodgy

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/rogers-it-was-a-mistake-to-work-with-ferrari

I dont think it does :S but you could be right and sky are up to something :S but it could also show that the whole pellyton is cleaner than it was when rogers was with old ferrari and he's just a good athlete... in my opinion this clearly shows nothing

 

[thehog]

For him to say Ferrari is the best coach in the world is complete and total BS.

He is the best coach. His results are outstanding.

 

[maxmartin]

I dont think it does :S but you could be right and sky are up to something :S but it could also show that the whole pellyton is cleaner than it was when rogers was with old ferrari and he's just a good athlete... in my opinion this clearly shows nothing

I disagree. We are not comparing him with the rest of the peloton, we are comparing him with old himself under Ferrari's guidance. I can't remember exact source, but his power output this year increased 7% compared with his best level before. (might be wrong on 7% part)

 

[tofino]

You missed typed

He is the best coach. His results are outstanding.

Sorry thehog you must have been busy. You missed typed.

He is the best (doping) coach. His results are outstanding.

The best regular doctor is Carmichael, correct?

 

[palmerq]

I disagree. We are not comparing him with the rest of the peloton, we are comparing him with old himself under Ferrari's guidance. I can't remember exact source, but his power output this year increased 7% compared with his best level before. (might be wrong on 7% part)

well that is a bit better(his power level improving) although i am no expert on these things, I admit i am a bit of a noob in these things so i can be convinced but for me just now it coul just be the natural progression of an athlete getting older and improving his power and so on, also i would guess ferrari spent less time and interest on rogers than his other big name clients, so who knows...

 

[maxmartin]

well that is a bit better(his power level improving) although i am no expert on these things, I admit i am a bit of a noob in these things so i can be convinced but for me just now it coul just be the natural progression of an athlete getting older and improving his power and so on, also i would guess ferrari spent less time and interest on rogers than his other big name clients, so who knows...

LOL his career is going down steadily after his best years, then suddenly after he was transferred to SKY, he was able to increase his output level compared with his best year, that was highly highly suspicious

 

[Hillavoider]

When he tells reporters he only contacted Ferrari for training advice do you think he realises no one in the entire world except Rupert Guinness believes him.

 

[Ferminal]

Rogers is a lifer, indefensible.

 

[thehog]

well that is a bit better(his power level improving) although i am no expert on these things, I admit i am a bit of a noob in these things so i can be convinced but for me just now it coul just be the natural progression of an athlete getting older and improving his power and so on, also i would guess ferrari spent less time and interest on rogers than his other big name clients, so who knows...

We've just uncovered the biggest doping conspiracy in history involving 100's of cyclists and you flag Rogers's upward spike in performance down to natural progression?

There is no hope.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

My man The Rog ...i should use him as my Av again

 

[Ripper]

He is the best coach. His results are outstanding.

He's a coach?

 

[thehog]

He's a coach?

He can be anything you want him to be. You pay him, he delivers.

 

[msjett]

I find the whole it was only training and no drugs involved line totally unbelievable. And Austalians do dope, we like to win as much as anyone else.

 

[palmerq]

We've just uncovered the biggest doping conspiracy in history involving 100's of cyclists and you flag Rogers's upward spike in performance down to natural progression?

There is no hope.

whaaaat this was well know ages ago, it's no shock to anyone...

i think my point is that rogers working with ferrari in the past does not make it automatic that sky are doping now.. I said i do not know too much about these things aka power outputs and such like and maybe that is down to non efficient doping in the past and natural progression from an athlete... all i want to say is I dont think this makes is a sure thing that sky are doing something dodgy now as there is so many conclusions that can be drawn from it now...

also i think michael rogers has got worse over the years in terms of results and winning stuff.

 

[Huckleberry]

Just another schmol hitching a ride on Dr. Ferrari's EPO gravey train, with HGH and, Steroid wheels........USADA's Armstrong decision is going to be the gift that keeps on giving.....

 

[Hillavoider]

Is rogers the only rider currently at sky implicated

Will brad kick him off the team now?

 

[thehog]

whaaaat this was well know ages ago, it's no shock to anyone...

i think my point is that rogers working with ferrari in the past does not make it automatic that sky are doping now.. I said i do not know too much about these things aka power outputs and such like and maybe that is down to non efficient doping in the past and natural progression from an athlete... all i want to say is I dont think this makes is a sure thing that sky are doing something dodgy now as there is so many conclusions that can be drawn from it now...

also i think michael rogers has got worse over the years in terms of results and winning stuff.

No. In the USADA report he was seen at a training camp with Ferrari after the first admission.

Rogers has since spoken to the media in regard to his relationship with Ferrari however there has been no response to Leipheimer’s claims regarding past training camps in which Andrey Kashechkin, Alexandre Vinkourov, Paolo Savoldelli, Yaroslav Popovych and Eddy Mazzoleni reportedly attended.

What do you think went on there? A health retreat?

Anyway I leave you to it... not worth arguing.

 

[slowspoke]

Anyone doubting the "training only" line should watch the 2007 tour. He was gunning it until he broke his shoulder. Very strong during that tour and 2006. We all know how clean they were. Or is Rogers the only cyclist to actually see Ferrari for training? In which case he got ripped off. i can see it now. "$15,000 dollars and all I got was this lousy calendar with stupid dots and circles! What a rip off!"

 

[palmerq]

No. In the USADA report its not he was seen at a training camp with Ferrari after the first admission.



What do you think went on there? A health retreat?

Anyway I leave you to it... not worth arguing.

I am quite sure he was most probably doping, I never said differently :S i just dont think that this means sky are surely up to somthing dodgy, I am not sure what your point is, the only reasonable evidence i have heard is that his power output is apparently better than from the time he was doping which does seem a bit odd.